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People who want to understand their dogs might be about to be given a helping paw by AI, according to the latest study. Researchers from the University of Michigan are developing tools that can identify whether a dog’s bark conveys playfulness or aggression, which should already be apparent to many a Reg reader. Sperm whales …

  1. Mike 137 Silver badge

    Grant capture 'science'?

    I see several glaring flaws in this from the scientific perspective, the most prominent being:

    [1] barking is only one of many ways dogs express themselves, many of which are indeed silent behaviours that would all need to be assessed;

    [2] we have no real idea of what goes on in dogs' minds except inferentially and in the crudest terms ("playfulness or aggression"). I doubt anyone would be interested in researching human responses at that primitive level;

    [3] the sample is tiny -- "With the human speech model Wav2Vec2, researchers built a dataset of dog vocalizations recorded from 74 dogs of varying breed, age and sex, in a variety of contexts".

    I have a horrible feeling that this could turn out to be a "what can we apply AI to so we can land a research grant" proposal.

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Re: Grant capture 'science'?

      Agreed. Even with humans, there are many silent forms of expression that no AI can pick up through language. I mean, just ask any married man who feels the need to ask his wife if everything is okay.

      Animals have a multitude of physical options to express themselves as well. A cat doesn't need to hiss at you to make you understand that you're unwelcome.

      But, this is a start. However ridiculous it might seem at first glance, it might provide a few clues that can be built upon in the coming years. I say go for it. Nobody knows what we might find out in the long run.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      yes, but

      it got press coverage. So a win for the funding agency - probably why they chose it.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So...

    They intend to get AI one stop beyond barking?

  3. m4r35n357 Silver badge

    No

    See above

  4. jake Silver badge

    Except ...

    ... Dogs don't use vocalization as a primary communication tool.

    However, it's a novel bit of research that makes use of one of today's largest grant money cash cows. The researchers might be able to milk it for a year or three, until people realize we've been in the current AI Winter for a couple years already.

  5. katrinab Silver badge
    Meh

    The last time I saw something about one of these dog translation apps, I asked the question:

    Do dogs have different languages in the same way that there are human languages?

    I got one response from someone who said they had moved with their dog from Essex to South Wales, and their dog wasn't able to communicate with Welsh dogs in the same way that it could with Essex dogs, and therefore thought that the answer was, yes.

    If this is true, then any AI system is going to have to understand and classify different dog languages before it can have any hope of understanding meaning.

    1. Bebu
      Windows

      Pantalone award

      《Essex to South Wales,》

      Somehow don't think an Essex bitch would have too much trouble communicating the basics to a Cardiff dog. :)

      I would have thought there were light years between language and mere vocalization.

      From experience dogs can have quite a large recognition vocabulary of human speech and potentially understand very simple grammatical constructs of tense (now, later), number (other), prepositions (behind, under) and properties (hot, colours) but a very limited ability to communicate these.

      Some birds like crows(raven in AU), magpies, parrot species are a rather clever lot (to the point of nuisance) and have a wide repertoire of sounds which I would imagine should make them a better target for this type of study.

      We need an award like Ignobles for the most imbecilic or avaricious proposal using contempoarary AI

      The Pantalone Awards

    2. herman Silver badge

      Can anyone not from Wales, even understand Welch English, nevermind Welsh-Dog?

  6. ChrisElvidge Silver badge

    Do dogs from different countries bark differently?

    Are they looking at Mexican dogs with an LLM trained on English?

    Do they assume all dogs bark in the same language?

    1. Andy Non Silver badge

      Re: Do dogs from different countries bark differently?

      Indeed. The researchers could be barking up the wrong tree.

    2. m4r35n357 Silver badge

      Re: Do dogs from different countries bark differently?

      Perhaps we should have more descriptive acronyms, like LEM (Large English Model), LAEM (Large American English Model), LEDM (Large English Doggy Model) etc, etc . . . ;)

    3. katrinab Silver badge
      Meh

      Re: Do dogs from different countries bark differently?

      Or even a San Francisco dog vs a Los Angeles dog?

      I'm guessing they don't mix much so they would have developed their language independently?

      1. jake Silver badge

        Re: Do dogs from different countries bark differently?

        Dogs learn various human words not as words, but as direction. Dogs trained in English will ignore humans speaking French and vice-versa. Local dialect can make a difference, as can a heavy accent. See farmers with sheepdogs hailing from the Scottish Highlands, Wales and the Dales. The dogs are doing the same work, but how the farmer communicates with them can change.

        HOWEVER, a good dog trainer knows that dogs communicate primarily with posture and body movement. Thus they start with the basics (sit, stand, down, off, stay, come, go, walk, run, left, right) using nothing but body position and hand signals. Later, after you can drive a dog, you add vocalization, whistles and etc. to suit yourself, according to the situation.

        I personally have never had an issue working with dogs (cats, horses, cows, sheep, whatever) outside my local area. Each species seems to respond to the same non-verbal cues, world-wide. I have bought horses and dogs on six continents.

        With that said, when we bring a new critter into our space here at the ranch, it often takes a while for the newbie to fit in with our existing critters. But it's not that they speak a different language, rather their expectations are slightly different because of upbringing ... and the new pecking order doesn't help, obviously.

  7. Rich 11

    dogs are less well known for typing

    Well, of course. They've only got four functional fingers on each forepaw so they struggle with sentences containing q, a, z, p, ; and /.

    1. jake Silver badge

      And as everybody knows ...

      ... it's cats that play with the keyboard and mouse.

  8. xyz Silver badge

    Hey AI can you lick your balls?

    My mutt has very few needs... Constant food and walkies. He licks his bits 24/7 and barks everything that moves and is not me. He's easy.

    My missus on the other hand is bloody complicated and I could do with an AI to tell me what is actually going on in her head because I'm crap at working that out.

  9. Gene Cash Silver badge

    Trouble at the 'ol mill: Wherein Lassie learns the fate that awaits us all

    Woof! woof! woof!

    What is it, boy? Trouble at the 'ol mill?

    Woof

    What happened? Did Johnny fall in the wood chipper?

    WOOF WOOF WOOF

    Well, then, Johnny's gone, boy. Go find someone else to play with.

    Woof?

  10. MacGuffin

    Crotchety

    This will only work when AI develops “smell-o-vision” and can crotch dogs.

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  12. James O'Shea Silver badge

    My dogs

    know quite a lot of spoken language. They know what 'car' means, and 'walkies', 'leash', 'stop', 'let's go', and a lot more, including 'vet'. If any mention of 'vet' is made prior to 'car' or 'let's go', they will hide. Normally they like 'car'.

    They also make specific noises for specific problems. Specific barking means 'unidentified person approaching'; other barking means 'our friends are back', and more. There's a difference between 'feed me' and 'feed me right now'.

    1. jake Silver badge

      Re: My dogs

      You have taught them that language, they did not come with it. That is human lingo, they have learned to translate specific human vocalizations into directions.

      Likewise, they have learned that if they bark a certain way, they get chow. If they bark another way, they get chow NOW (because you are a pushover). And in fact, they have learned that barking is a good way to get your attention, so they try to bark as often as possible. We call dogs like that "blue sky barkers". I'll bet your neighbors love you.

      A "blue sky barker" barks because the sky is blue. When it's cloudy, the sky is blue somewhere in the world ...

      1. James O'Shea Silver badge

        Re: My dogs

        They don't demand food that way. They see me coming with food and bark that way.

        They also know what 'shut up' means.

  13. Tron Silver badge

    Ruff. Grrr. Rufff, ruff.

    Get in line. My grant applications for AI translating bird song (budgies) and AI making sense of Liz Truss's economic policy went in several weeks ago.

    1. NickHolland
      Linux

      bird language

      I thought bird songs were fairly well understood. "Let's have sex!"

      1. Spherical Cow Silver badge

        Re: bird language

        There's a lot more to birdsong than that. Chickens communicate using multiple different vocalisations for different situations. Kookaburras and Australian Magpies both have (different) complex family bonding songs, and other vocalisations with other meanings. Parrots are capable of a wide range of different sounds. Even at a basic level, many species of bird have an alarm call separate from a mating call. And then there's the mystery that is the Lyrebird!

      2. mcswell

        Re: bird language

        It means that if you're a female bird. If you're a male bird, the same song means "Get off my lawn!"

  14. spold Silver badge

    Oh...

    Ah - rather than "training AI is a bitch" - I guess it meant "on".

    Remember it has to be screened for bias as well - no favouring Golden Labrador over Black Labrador.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    This misses silent canine mind control tricks completely

    Like when you’re doing something stupid like staring at that box of light again instead of feeding the dog/playing with the dog/taking the dog out to pee and the dog just sits there staring at you until you finally get it, you stupid human.

  16. PB90210 Silver badge

    No Brit has mentioned Esther Rantzen and 'sausages'...

    God I feel old!

    (yes, Daily Mail, it was fake... but it didn't take us 45 years to work it out)

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