back to article ASUS creates a substance: Ceraluminum, which fuses aluminum and a ceramic

ASUS has given the world what it claims is a new substance, and it's got a catchy name: Ceraluminum. Announced yesterday at an event staged alongside the Computex conference in Taiwan, Ceraluminum was described as the result of four years' effort to "transform aluminum into high-tech ceramic." Ceraluminum has been baked into a …

  1. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge
    Meh

    Not the weak spot

    A durable surface coating doesn't help with Asus having a warranty so fragile that many say it doesn't exist at all.

  2. Spazturtle Silver badge

    So it is just an anti-stick frying pan?

    Aluminium with a layer of quartz bonded to it.

    1. TeeCee Gold badge

      Such a missed opportunity. If it was available with an Intel Pentium 64, I could have made breakfast while working.

  3. Mike 137 Silver badge

    "a machine that's just 1.1cm (0.43 inch) thick"

    Why this obsession with 'thin'? Aiming for light I'd entirely agree with, but so many potential problems accompany extreme thinness (heat management, resistance to flexing, impact protection etc.) that it seems a rather strange to aim for it as a primary design (or indeed marketing) goal.

    1. Filippo Silver badge

      Re: "a machine that's just 1.1cm (0.43 inch) thick"

      Agree. Same for phones. Make them 1 or 2 mm thicker and give me more battery and/or more toughness. It'll still fit in the same pockets and purses. Who cares about extreme thinness?

    2. Anomalous Cow Herd

      Re: "a machine that's just 1.1cm (0.43 inch) thick"

      Couldnt agree more - I prefer the heft of a smartphone with a 1000 mAh battery and in a ruggedised case. Similarly I'd prefer a laptop with plenty of ports for convenience and expandability over a bendy fragile under-powered fashion-accessory laptop/tablet

      1. Zibob Silver badge

        Re: "a machine that's just 1.1cm (0.43 inch) thick"

        I assume.you mean 10,000mAh, as phones regular have 3,000+mAh batteries currently and some times up to 5 or 6,000

        1. A.P. Veening Silver badge

          Re: "a machine that's just 1.1cm (0.43 inch) thick"

          I assume.you mean 10,000mAh, as phones regular have 3,000+mAh batteries currently and some times up to 5 or 6,000

          That would make it an off by one (zero) mistake ;)

        2. Terje
          Flame

          Re: "a machine that's just 1.1cm (0.43 inch) thick"

          I assume the voltage level of the battery pack is at an appropriate level like 300V or so, then 1000mAh is plenty!

          1. Filippo Silver badge

            Re: "a machine that's just 1.1cm (0.43 inch) thick"

            Ever since I read that the average smartphone battery contains nearly as much energy as a hand grenade, I've wanted a self-destruct feature.

    3. Caver_Dave Silver badge
      Alert

      Re: "a machine that's just 1.1cm (0.43 inch) thick"

      And that's why "the Register" readership are predominantly Engineers and not in Marketing or Sales.

      1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

        Re: "a machine that's just 1.1cm (0.43 inch) thick"

        You've got a point, but it pretty much emphasises that the obsession with extreme thinness *is* marketing-driven "willy-waving" and that- as I said previously- even though there were (and still are in some cases) portability and other functional benefits to reducing the thickness of bulkier laptops, these ultra-thins have long crossed the point there's much benefit to the trade-offs (e.g. with respect to battery, port availability, keyboard, etc.)

        At this point, the footprint is now arguably the limiting factor in portability and usability, not some impressively-engineered but pointless reduction of another millimetre of thinness.

        1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

          Re: "a machine that's just 1.1cm (0.43 inch) thick"

          there were (and still are in some cases) portability and other functional benefits to reducing the thickness of bulkier laptops

          Like what, exactly? Did you have to port your laptop by shoving it under a locked door or something?

          1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

            'Nuff said

            This

    4. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: "a machine that's just 1.1cm (0.43 inch) thick"

      Personally, I don't even want "light". I want a laptop with a decent screen size and keyboard, and having decent battery life is occasionally nice too. I want it to not overheat. I want the screen to be bright enough to use outside and have a good anti-glare coating (and I don't want a fucking touchscreen, though at least that's easy enough to disable). I want a backlit keyboard. I want enough ports, defined as "however many of whatever sort I end up wanting to plug things into". I want it to tolerate being dropped onto a hard floor and other sorts of abuse.

      Light is irrelevant to me — I used to routinely carry around two business-class laptops, plus their chargers and a few other peripherals, and various books and papers — and thin is just an annoyance.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sounds like Enamel ware - like my Gran's bath or your Dad's old tin mug.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Agreed, but it also sounds like the ceramic coating that was applied to high end aluminium bike wheels a few years ago, to prolong their braking life, before disk brakes became the norm. (i.e. the end material isn't necessarily very novel, but the process to apply it sounds like it might be.)

      1. Dave 126 Silver badge

        'Ceramic' bicycle rims are PVD - Physical Vapour Deposition, a process in a vacuum which condenses molecules onto the work piece.

        This ASUS princess sounds more akin to Hard Anodisation, which you might have seen on some bicycle chainsets back in the day. However, there might be some extra chemistry going on, I can't tell from their vague description.

        1. David 132 Silver badge
          Happy

          > This ASUS princess

          Are you suggesting that the ceramic is somehow Frozen onto the aluminium, or otherwise Tangled with its atoms? Either way, it's a Brave marketing decision. I Wish I could afford one.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Light, blingy and with lotsa Ceraluminum !

    From the Asus website:

    ---

    Security

    Trusted Platform Module (Firmware TPM)

    Microsoft Pluton security processor # WTF?

    IR webcam with Windows Hello support

    Disclaimer

    This product has only been tested for compatibility with the Windows 11 operating system, and may encounter compatibility issues if Windows 10 or older OS versions are installed.

    ---

    That is enough to stop reading.

    And what about the battery? Is it replaceable?

    Very light and blingy (there's another new word for you) with a very heavy price tag.

    There's probably a market for this among boardroom/CEO/AH-PHB types and chaps with more cash than common sense.

    .

    1. TimMaher Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: WTF

      Did they write that on their website?

      1. David 132 Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: WTF

        Of course. It denotes that Pluton is a Windows Trusted Feature.

        1. druck Silver badge

          Re: WTF

          A hammer would be more of a Windows Trusted Feature.

  6. darrylramm

    Wake me up when they have transparent aluminum

    Wake me up when they have invented transparent aluminum.

    Live long and prosper.

    1. Jan 0 Silver badge

      Re: Wake me up when they have transparent aluminum

      How about sapphire? Although a 14" slab would be tricky to manufacture;)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Elemental options now?

        Sapphire? Only if they make the rest of it out of Steel.

        1. David 132 Silver badge
          Thumb Up

          Re: Elemental options now?

          Remember, transuranic heavy elements may not be used where there is life.

      2. Arthur the cat Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: Wake me up when they have transparent aluminum

        How about sapphire? Although a 14" slab would be tricky to manufacture;)

        Yes, but think of the bragging rights.

    2. Uncle Slacky Silver badge
      Boffin

      Re: Wake me up when they have transparent aluminum

      It was invented 8 years ago:

      https://screenrant.com/star-trek-transparent-aluminum-real/

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxynitride

      1. Jedit Silver badge
        Angel

        "It was invented 8 years ago"

        And apparently it took that guy nearly 30 years to get the patent approved.

      2. Caver_Dave Silver badge

        Re: Wake me up when they have transparent aluminum

        I saw some in the 1990's. It had a similar opacity to an average used UK milk bottle. Good enough to see through, but I probably wouldn't make a windscreen from it.

        One would imagine that given another 30 years of research, it is almost transparent by now.

    3. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
      Holmes

      Re: Wake me up when they have transparent aluminum

      They have.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxynitride

      1. David 132 Silver badge
        Pint

        Re: Wake me up when they have transparent aluminum

        Well, thanks to you and Uncle Slacky who posted the same link, I have just been wandering down the Wikipedia wormhole for over an hour. Thanks, I think? :)

  7. Big_Boomer

    Marketing

    The problem is that Marketing departments drive new product releases and they are all fixated on the same old faster/lighter/thinner/prettier paradigms. They are incapable of thinking of new ways of marketing a product because "fit for purpose" or "sturdy" or "efficient" just aren't sexy enough for your average image obsessed consumer. Personally I have never bought anything based on how it looks. I buy based on how well it works, how well it suits me and my intended use for it, and how well-made/reliable it is. Just because something looks a certain way is no indication of how good/bad it is.

    1. Roger Greenwood

      Re: Marketing

      By definition half the world is below average on lots of measures, including resistance to bullshit marketing (I work with some). But they still have money to spend and are a valuable part of society. The rest of us (ahem) may make different choices, but we are in the minority and we probably spend less on consumer goods anyway.

    2. Brave Coward

      Re: Marketing

      "Just because something looks a certain way is no indication of how good/bad it is."

      Or somebody.

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  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    > Ceraluminum is not unobtanium or vaporwareum – the 16-inch Zenbook lappie can be ordered now, although delivery dates are uncertain.

    Isn't that the very definition of vaporware?

    They will happily take your money, but there is guarantee if or when you will receive anything.

  10. Plest Silver badge
    Facepalm

    I sense a big run on emptybankaccountonium and sudden rise in money wasted on craponium.

  11. David M

    UK spelling

    I wonder if they'll call it ceraluminium in the UK.

    1. Zibob Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: UK spelling

      That's Sir Aluminium to you peasant.

    2. Michael Strorm Silver badge

      Re: UK spelling

      They probably will, because aluminum tastes like fear.

  12. xyz123 Silver badge

    ASUS decided to not honor ANY motherboard warranty in the US, EU and UK, and has taken the position of "sue us if you're not happy"

    Can you IMAGINE if they're ignoring basic consumer law, how hard they will fight if this substance turns out to be a dangerous carcinogen?

    Or catches fire when its a few months old, and burns your house to the ground?

    AVOID AVOID AVOID

    1. Terje

      I just hope some of the more militant consumer protection agencies take them up on that offer.

  13. Zibob Silver badge

    Recent warranty issues

    In light of the title, I wonder if this stuff is more or less prone to tiny chips and microscopic dents that they will demand payment to fix after you send it in under the free warranty fix program for completely unrelated issues that are actually problems.

    Edit: just as an aside, it occurs to me, frying pans exist. Are some of them not already aluminium with ceramic coating fused to them? Are they intending to let you fry eggs on these?

    Edit 2: ah I see I was beaten to then idea by another comment.

    1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

      Re: Recent warranty issues

      "demand" seems a little strong in my experience. I had a laptop from them that had a power problem shortly after purchase. I sent it back and yes they did mention a scratch that I could have fixed for me at the bargain price of £100 for a new case, but I said no so they fixed the real problem and sent it back. No charge.

      Said laptop is still going strong 7 or 8 years later.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Surely 'Ceralinum' reads better

    / IMHO

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    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Surely 'Ceralinum' reads better

      Ceraluminium, ceraluminum, ceralinum ...

      Whatever they read like actually means this -> don't be a dickhead, spend your moolah on decent hardware.

      .

  15. Korev Silver badge

    Recycling?

    Does this new coating preventing the Aluminium from being recycled at the end of its life?

    1. G2

      Re: Recycling?

      it will not prevent recycling, because when scrapped and melted in a furnace the coating will become just part of the normal slag removed from the surface of the molten aluminium

      1. Korev Silver badge
        Thumb Up

        Re: Recycling?

        Ta

  16. G2

    marketing droids are trying to spin this as their hot new invention?

    "new"? ceramic + metal variations have existed for years, some of the ceramic aluminium variants are even transparent >80% in the visible spectrum and some are even better than glass for infrared or UV wavelengths.

    From the summary description, what ASUS seems to be doing is to use deposition of a very thin ceramic compound to a sheet of aluminium, bake it in an oven then probably rinse and repeat, to add another layer of ceramic.

    Other industries have been using relatively similar processes for years with ceramic-based compounds...

    e.g. https://patents.google.com/patent/US3928668A/en

    Electrostatic deposition of dry ceramic powders

    patent filed: 1974,

    patent expired: 1992

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