back to article Hubble Space Telescope hasn't had any visitors for 15 years

It is fifteen years since the Hubble Space Telescope was captured by a Space Shuttle for the final time. By the time its final servicing mission, STS-125, arrived, Hubble Space Telescope (HST) had already been in orbit for 19 years. Following the 13-day mission, the HST continued to generate prodigious amounts of science while …

  1. Eclectic Man Silver badge
    Pint

    Awesome

    I find it amazing that it has lasted this long. Congrats to the boffins, engineers etc. who built, maintained and run it, and, of course the astronauts who serviced it.

  2. Gene Cash Silver badge

    Another Skylab

    It's going to end up as another Skylab, where NASA dithers about a reboost mission past its ability to stay in orbit.

    Sad.

    I know its no longer the latest and greatest, but there's been a lot of money and time spent getting where it is, and a relatively cheap reboost could extend that.

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Re: Another Skylab

      It may not be the latest and greatest, but that does not mean that it is useless.

      Something should be done to extend its life again.

      1. John Robson Silver badge

        Re: Another Skylab

        And they thought of that in the last mission - so there is every reason to believe that we could see a dragon boosting mission at some point.

        It would be a real shame if we didn't see *something*

    2. Joe W Silver badge

      Re: Another Skylab

      Not sure about "not the latest and greatest", because AFAIK the JWST observes on different wavelengths (right?), so we have nothing that matches what Hubble can do at the moment up there. Down here is problematic, the atmosphere is too turbulent, and some people seem to insist that putting lots of sattelites in LEO is a good idea.

      1. Spazturtle Silver badge

        Re: Another Skylab

        For visible light everything modern is ground based as adaptive optics solve the problem of the atmosphere, and being on the ground means you can swap out the instruments to do experiments.

        Satellite swarms are the only real problem, but nobody yet has a profitable satellite swarm so that problem might resolve itself in 10 years.

      2. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        Re: Another Skylab

        We'll see how well those weather the oncoming solar maximum. My understanding is that the solar storm this weekend is only a taster of what we might experience over the next year or so, as the solar cycle passes its maximum, and sunspots migrate towards the sun's equator, putting solar flares closer into the plane of the ecliptic, where Earth orbits. It would be terribly sad if, for example, Elon Musk's light-polluting Starlink satellites were to experience failures due to massively increased charged particle flux, or increased atmospheric drag. I can't imagine them (or many other unhardened satellites) faring well in the path of another Carrington Event. It would be terribly sad indeed...

    3. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Another Skylab

      >and a relatively cheap reboost could extend that.

      The cost isn't the reboost - it's supporting all the scientist working on the data.

      You could, of course, reboost it but NOT fund anyone to actually use it -

      1. Paul Kinsler

        Re: The cost isn't the reboost - it's supporting all the scientist working on the data.

        I'm not sure I agree - working on the data is the sort of thing scientists can work on (or get funding to work on ) from many places.

        IMO it is likely to be the infrastructure costs -- the ground-control management & staffing (technical and otherwise), the on-going ground-based infrastructure costs, transmitter/receiver time (&etc) that could (or would) be the difficulty.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: The cost isn't the reboost - it's supporting all the scientist working on the data.

          Newsflash: scientist don't work for free either.

          1. Richard 12 Silver badge

            Re: The cost isn't the reboost - it's supporting all the scientist working on the data.

            Yes, but there are many ways to get funding for the scientists on the ground, and the individual sums involved are pretty small.

          2. Paul Kinsler

            Re: Newsflash: scientist don't work for free either.

            You are right, I don't. But I'm paid - mostly - by research council funding. Even though I use data downloaded from NASA, as assembled from a large array of ground stations based in many countries and run by different organisations, and recording signals information from GNS, GLONASS, GALILEO and Beidou. Newsflash: all those infrastructure things cost money to run, but I can get and work with the data - all without paying for that infrastructure.

        2. Annihilator Silver badge

          Re: The cost isn't the reboost - it's supporting all the scientist working on the data.

          Exactly that. Voyager, for example, still retains a budget of about $7m each year to operate. It's a lot of wooden dollars though, as per your description of infrastructure costs - they all will be spent regardless, it's how you're apportioning out that cost to the usage of it.

  3. steamnut

    It must be done.

    Although we know have the James Webb in place it operates in the infra-red not visible spectrum. It is also not repairable due to it's L2 location.

    A service mission would be a much lower cost than creating and launching Hubble II. It is a no-brainer that Hubble should be repaired until a major, and not repairable failure, occurs.

    1. John Robson Silver badge

      Re: It must be done.

      And at least boosted in the mean time.

  4. Greybearded old scrote

    Not just the ailing components

    Some sod is putting a huge number of satellites in a higher orbit than Hubble. It's not just the ground based telescopes getting affected by light trails. We need it put above the musky crap.

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      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Not just the ailing components

        SpaceX only lands first stages. Hubble is in orbit. It takes a lot of fuel to get to orbit and then get out of orbit again, adding all this fuel and still having enough fuel left to land with a school bus on board is 'challenging'

        1. Oneman2Many Bronze badge

          Re: Not just the ailing components

          They aren't taking about using a Falcon to do a retrieve mission. There is a rocket under development with a planned higher return payload capacity then shuttle had both for mass and volume.

          The HST solar panels aren't designed to be folded away but I'm sure they can come up with a solutiom.

          1. Richard 12 Silver badge

            Re: Not just the ailing components

            It is definitely not worth landing Hubble to refurbish it then relaunch.

            Refurbishment is always incredibly expensive, and something would definitely get broken on the way down.

            It'd be more cost effective to build and launch a new one.

            That said, landing it safely to put in a museum might be worthwhile.

            And reboosting it, perhaps as a ride-share with something small would cost very little.

            1. druck Silver badge

              Re: Not just the ailing components

              NASA was offered an unused KH-11 which is a Hubble based spy satellite, if they wanted it, so there would be no need to refurbish Hubble. The KH-11 would need new instruments, corrected optics and launching, so by no means cheap, but certainly not as much as starting from scratch.

      2. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        Re: Not just the ailing components

        Something that can be configured to carry 100 colonists and their support gear to the Moon or Mars may have room enough to accommodate the Hubble.

        Anything is indeed possible in science fiction, and any sort of space vessel that can carry 100 people plus equipment is still exactly that.

    2. Marty McFly Silver badge
      Go

      Re: Not just the ailing components

      Downvote me if you want....but that "sod" with "musky crap" is providing me Internet service in a place where it is not otherwise available. So I am duly grateful.

  5. Fred Dibnah
    Happy

    No visitors for 15 years

    Voyagers 1 & 2 say hello, from 46 years and billions of miles away.

    1. Version 1.0 Silver badge
      Megaphone

      Re: No visitors for 15 years

      If there is any other intelligent life in the Universe then all these efforts wold-wide, offer us a little chance of discovering our future. I'm so happy and impressed with these efforts - all excellent examples of our intelligent human development ... when sadly compared to our worlds politics, spam, malware, and climate changes.

    2. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      Alien

      Re: No visitors for 15 years

      Yes, no [Human] visitors to Hubble in 15years does not mean there haven't been any visitors to Hubble!

  6. Oneman2Many Bronze badge

    This video shows how hard it is to service Hubble. Its widely been published that Jared Isaacman is proposing using one of the Polaris mission to service hubble using Dragon capsule. Polaris 2 due to launch next month has a very basic EVA planned so at least they will have a better idea of what is going to be possible. Their planned EVA is 2 hours which is a fraction of what will be needed for a hubble mission. The suit only has mobility in arms, not waist or legs so there is likely more development needed there. Who knows but as Jared says, if nothing else gets approved then what have they got to lose ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKetXK4fskw&t=19s

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