back to article UK public voice fear over security in NHS data systems

Four out of five patients worry NHS IT systems may be vulnerable to cyber attacks while around half are concerned that the world's largest single health system will sell their data, according to a recent survey. The research comes from NHS England, the government body running state health systems in the UK's largest nation. …

  1. Sir Sham Cad

    fair and open competition

    Between a Tortoise, a Hare and a Horse where the success criteria was "look like a horse"

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Re: fair and open competition

      But, there was no competition.

      How can that be considered fair ?

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: fair and open competition

        The politicians agreed with the maker of secret data harvesting software that certain secrets would be kept secret if the bid was approved

      2. Jim Whitaker

        Re: fair and open competition

        But there was for the FDP.

  2. Pete 2 Silver badge

    Too cheap to work

    Too expensive to fail.

    The problem with all NHS IT projects is that they are never financed properly. They always squeeze the suppliers and so corners are cut. Worse than that, those outfits with the experience and scale to supply IT to the NHS's 1.4 million staff, with concomitant training, support and implementation are not interested in getting involved with what has historically been a series of reputation destroying failures.

    1. Anomalous Cow Herd

      Re: Too cheap to work

      Or maybe all NHS projects are overly ambitious and contracted to the lowest bidder; generally Capita or Fujitsu - what could possibly go wrong???

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Avi, Pull your Socks up...

    The NHS has pulled its socks up somewhat since the Wanna Cry fiasco.

    There are annual compliance / Digital assessment.

    National MFA is nearly complete.

    Centralised Cyber team and service - MF Defender.

    However, the issues I see are:

    lack of joined up systems, outside of the national tenant, many trusts made up of multiple orgs all doing their own things.

    A lack of follow-up on requirements, i.e. if I don't bother with the compliance, MFA or centralised Cyber stuff very little is going to happen, My org can just roll on with crap IT....

    A lot of 3rd Party cloud services, storing a lot of clinical data from as "cloud first" ethos. Eeek!

    Anon - 'cos I am an insider Bruv

    1. 0laf Silver badge
      Boffin

      Re: Avi, Pull your Socks up...

      Lots of peope make the assumption that the NHS is one thing. It's not it's a large number of independent legal entities all invoilved in healthcare in some way.

      Getting this huge hydra to do the same things is almost impossible.

      Coupled with a lot of senior staff who think they are above such trivia.

      I don't envy the guys trying to make the NHS secure on a shoestring

  4. Anonymous Coward
    IT Angle

    Quality service?

    With all due respect the NHS is a synonoym for "crap" as far as most people in the UK are concerned. That's not to discredit the vast majority of hardworking staff. It's a terrible but inenvitable outcome from decades of failures with little to zero accountability.

    When you throw in concerns over budgets, the number of IT projects gone tits up so far, people at the top who don't understand IT, etc etc etc - this simply doesn't instill trust.

    You can blame whoever you want, and you can be guaranteed everyone will blame each other. It will take a long time before public perception of anything NHS related shifts from "on the bones of their arse" to something resembling a quality service managed by people who know/care about the needs of the people they are supposed to be serving.

    Put simply it doesn't particularly matter what system they use. But it does matter who delivers it and what the outward perception of that amounts to.

    Sort it out from the top, maybe? A pipe dream.

    1. Valeyard

      Re: Quality service?

      people who know/care about the needs of the people they are supposed to be serving.

      I'd settle for treating them less like items on a to do list. I always love watching casualty where not only do they make them better but dedicated time to solving the personal and relationship issues of the patient too as well as eureka-ing an obscure diagnosis rather than being in a rush and having enough time on a patient for "after 10 seconds it looks like x so let's treat the patient for x. even if that didn't work the last 10 times" that happens in real life

  5. Caver_Dave Silver badge

    Attitude

    It seems as though they are concentrating more on altering our attitude towards them and their computer system, rather than tightening their security to the n'th degree and committing never to sell OUR data.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Attitude

      "To continue to build this public confidence, we..."

      ...will stick our fingers in our ears and... la la la la can't hear you

  6. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Calm your udders

    The data is safely kept by big corporations who probably have a ton of backups (with third and fourth parties as well) plus if the data is hacked, we get another free backup!

    and if you pay the hackers you can probably get your medical records quicker and closer to truth than from your GP or hospital.

    There is nothing to worry folks!

    Just pay your taxes and stiff the upper lip like everyone else.

  7. Tubz Silver badge

    The biggest problem with the NHS, is the big bosses and their pet accountants, they get massive pay and bonus, but don't give a shit if the NHS fails, they'll blame others, take the golden parachute payment and move on to the next pay cheque. The issues remain for the next muppet who promises the world and delivers little, and the cycle starts again with the NHS getting worse regardless how much money you through at it. NHS need to fix the simple basic stuff first, like having enough and the right staff nationally, you can't do that without training people which we aren't doing due to students being left with crippling loans or hiring private sector crazy wages. employing overseas staff and even training them at our expenses and then don't hang around to pay it back by serving in the NHS.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      All the stuff about upper management - right on the money

      Enough and the right staff - shafting by upper management has made the NHS very unattractive in both pay and conditions

      Crippling loans - my daughter finished her medical degree with £86K of debt. Had she qualified in 1984 none of that would have existed - governments of both colours

      Private sector - yup

      Over 40% of medical students are from overseas and return there after qualifying (can't remember exactly where I saw that figure)

      Huge numbers of UK medical students go abroad for better pay and conditions once they qualify

      Many of this years UK medical students can't get placements to continue their training at the moment - they might find out a few weeks before they start, probably in a completely different areas of the country

  8. Fr. Ted Crilly Silver badge

    Consult and Ignore, business as usual. If it can be sold, it WILL be sold sooner or later.

    1. boblongii

      No, it will be stolen. By people on the inside who have the keys. It will then be sold back to us.

  9. codejunky Silver badge
    Black Helicopters

    Why worry

    The glorious NHS wouldnt sell our data. It is a fine example of the government running so much for the benefit of the people. Dont forget to go outside and clap your hands.

    \sarc

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    around half are concerned that the world's largest single health system will sell their data

    'concerned' or 'convinced'?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: around half are concerned that the world's largest single health system will sell their data

      The only question in my mind is whether my data will be sold before it is stolen. Or stolen again, since I have had treatment from NHS Dumfries and Galloway and my records are therefore probably already out there.

  11. ItWasn'tMe

    Link to source info?

    Can the link to the source (NHS England recent survey) be provided:)

  12. BebopWeBop
    Facepalm

    Get your headline correct for once

    England not UK

  13. adam 40
    WTF?

    Opt out cancelled

    I have opted out of this data sharing, only to find that the opt out was cancelled when I looked later.

    There is definitely something fishy going on.

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