back to article Apple broke the law with anti-union tactics in NYC, labor watchdog barks

Apple tried to protest, but the complaints fell on deaf ears as the US National Labor Relations Board has finally decided the tech giant violated labor laws by interfering with union organizing activities at a New York City location. NLRB judge Lauren Esposito ruled last year that Apple had suppressed organizing at its World …

  1. aerogems Silver badge

    Woof

    In the modern gilded age, having to have an actual reason to fire someone and not be able to stick any random bullshit into a contract has got to be absolutely terrifying to the Oligarchy.

    1. UnknownUnknown

      Re: Woof

      Something worthwhile for Clarence ‘Motor Coach’ Thomas and his buddies to pontificate about, as opposed to narrow interpretations of vague historical texts favouring his right wing paymasters and not overwhelming public opinion, individuals constitutional rights or the public good.

      See Last Week Tonight S11E01.

      https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/19/john-oliver-clarence-thomas-resign-1-million-offer

  2. ecofeco Silver badge
    Pint

    Good

    More of this, please.

    1. DJO Silver badge

      Re: Good

      No, what's needed is judgments with teeth. Just telling Apple it's been naughty and Apple "mustn't do it again or we'll be very cross" it not really a huge incentive to Apple to stop, it might encourage them to be more subtle but not to stop.

      1. UnknownUnknown

        Re: Good

        What is needed is a straightforward at the Federal level Employee Charter and prosecution and punative powers for the NLRB.

  3. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

    I don't get it...

    ...why do workers in a specific Apple store need to "form a Union". Can't workers simply join a relevant Union and if/when enough staff have joined, Apple have no choice but to "recognise" the majority? From the article, I get the impression that employees in every business (and every Apple (or other chain-) Store is a separate and unique business entity in it's own right) need to form their own specific union and if successful, can then affiliate with a bigger organisation. It all seems very old fashioned and highly confrontational.

    1. Spazturtle Silver badge

      Re: I don't get it...

      Because in New York if 50% + 1 of the employees form a union then the other employees are forced to pay the union dues even if they don't join the union.

      1. UnknownUnknown

        Re: I don't get it...

        Simple answer is they don’t get an advocate for collective bargaining, and have to accept that outcome as part of the overall work store/unit/region/company.

        1. Cliffwilliams44 Silver badge

          Re: I don't get it...

          And the good employees get stuck with the same pay as the bad! That's what a union gets you!

          A position with better pay comes open? Fuck off you highly skilled candidate, the jackass with more seniority gets the job!

          You get all this great shit and are forced to pay for it as well! What a great deal!

          1. MrRtd

            Re: I don't get it...

            Lazy management might do it that way, but seniority isn't the only factor they consider when a position opens up.

            I was once an employee in a unionised workplace, and I can speak from experience that seniority is only one of the considerations, I got a position I applied for even though there were a couple of others who also applied with more seniority but they didn't get the job for various reasons like bad attendance, and what not. I also had more experience for the position outside that organization too.

          2. RedGreen925

            Re: I don't get it...

            "A position with better pay comes open? Fuck off you highly skilled candidate, the jackass with more seniority gets the job!"

            So almost the same as any other place without a union, the toady who kisses the bosses ass gets the job over the competent employee. Except you know the rules to be followed with a union in place and the seniority system so the toady gets to loose out in that situation...

      2. Cliffwilliams44 Silver badge

        Re: I don't get it...

        It's called legalized extortion!

  4. Groo The Wanderer

    And they'll get a slap-on-wrist penalty that may appeal to avoid paying, and nothing will improve.

    You're not going to get improvement from corporate America until you stop protecting CEO's and management from lawsuits and charges as a result of their malfeasance.

    1. ecofeco Silver badge
      Gimp

      You'll not see improvement until they go to JAIL.

      Us regular folk would be arrested for just 1/10th of the crap the CxOs do.

      1. aerogems Silver badge

        Indeed. Just look at a certain orange defendant in a NY criminal trial right now. If any indigent defendant had done even half the shit the orange defendant has, they would have found themselves spending their free time in a nearby prison.

        This is also part of why I say fines for companies should be proportional to gross revenues. Not only does it make it more equitable, but it makes it hurt large companies. None of this scrounging around in petty cash to pay some piddly fine, if a CEO has to start explaining to the board and shareholders why the company was fined 10% of gross revenues for the past FY, you'll start to see companies straighten up really fucking quick. Not as fast as if they're sent to prison, but still pretty quick.

        1. gryphon

          I think a lot of the EU laws, possibly some UK ones as well, are written as fines up to 5% / 10% etc. of worldwide revenues.

          Unfortunately there haven't been any cases where the maximum penalty has been imposed that I know of.

          $150K here, $2M there. Barely more than the lunch budget for board meetings so who gives a damn.

          1. UnknownUnknown

            Well regulators don’t set precedents here.

            GBP£190m fine levied, £20m actual outcome.

            Horseshit.

            Gone from a heavy force a change in behaviour fine, to a pretty low cost of doing business.

            https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/16/british_airways_ico_fine_20m/

          2. RedGreen925

            "I think a lot of the EU laws, possibly some UK ones as well, are written as fines up to 5% / 10% etc. of worldwide revenues.

            Unfortunately there haven't been any cases where the maximum penalty has been imposed that I know of.

            $150K here, $2M there. Barely more than the lunch budget for board meetings so who gives a damn."

            I am all for a corporate death penalty, as well as personal if the parasite corporation and those in charge have caused the death of someone.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          "If any indigent defendant had done even half the shit the orange defendant has"

          Under current NY conditions they would have been released without bail to offend again.

          Trump has done less than 1% of what you think he has done, partly due to your terminal TDS. The documents case is falling apart as more and more details are uncovered and the current 'hush money' case is looking more like he was being extorted and the irrelevant evidence and awful witnesses being used by the prosecution are going to result in the case being nullified. FFS you have ex judges going on CNN saying this is hurting the prosecution.

          It is all just show for the midwits to lap up and keep you distracted from the real issues.

          1. Groo The Wanderer

            You're as delusional and out-of-touch with reality as the Orange Menace.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Sadly the delusional ones are the people frothing at the mouth desperate to keep him out of the white house.

              The reality is that two very large abuse cases have been overturned in NY in recent history due to how the prosecution handled witnesses and this one is going the same way. You are so desperate to see him locked up as you are so brainwashed that you'd even make Stalin smile.

              1. Groo The Wanderer

                Hardly. You don't get such a large pile of charges and accusations against you by being honest and law-abiding. The "I'm being persecuted" line that man spews wore thin on day one.

                The only thing he's a "victim" of is his own greed, stupidity, and bullshit "interpretation" of what the US Constitution and legal systems actually say.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  You do realise that the 'pile of chargers' is actually the same charge repeated over and over. For the 'fraud' case there are 34 charges because the ONE singular thing they are claiming he did was on 34 different bits of paperwork. You don't get charged per footstep if you trespass.

                  1. Groo The Wanderer

                    Well, I can't expect a Drumpf supporter to be able to count..

  5. nematoad Silver badge
    Unhappy

    Who is surprised that a company infamous for its "control freak" mentality wants to have a firm grip on what its workers are allowed to do?

    I agree with John Brown (no body) that it is a strange situation where each store or location has to form a seperate union.

    That just gives all the power to Apple and has been shown in the article they are not slow in taking advantage.

    It is a pity that the NLRB seems to be so toothless but there again, this is the US we are talking about and it seems that big corporations are the masters there.

    1. Cliffwilliams44 Silver badge

      What little power the NLRB has, is blatantly unconstitutional. Unions are classic extortion rings. Give me what I want, or I will damage your company.

      1. Groo The Wanderer

        When what they want is a decent salary and working conditions with a company that has banked billions in profits and can easily afford it, I've absolutely no problem with that.

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