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AI built by Russian infosec firm Kaspersky was used in Russian drones for its war on Ukraine, volunteer intelligence gatherers claim. The OSINT analysts at InformNapalm, which sprung up in the wake of Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea, made those allegations after poring over 100 GB of data stolen by Cyber Resistance …

  1. chuckufarley
    Mushroom

    Well at least...

    ...They have never been accused of using their antivirus software to spread malware, right? Right??? Please tell me I am right.

    1. BPontius

      Re: Well at least...

      They have been accused, mostly by the U.S Government but nobody has found (or published) evidence of it. The Belgium, German, French, European Union Governments and British Intelligence investigated Kaspersky's anti-virus software after the U.S Government banned it. They were unable to find any evidence of the software spying. Most of the dis-trust is based on a NSA employee having NSA secret hacking tools on his personal laptop at home, after installing a infected and illegal copy of M/S Office the Kaspersky Anti-virus software on his system uploaded the NSA hacking tools to their mainframe for analysis. Kaspersky stated they deleted the programs, but due to their mainframe already having state hackers inside it is speculated that the hacking tools were stolen.

      According to the Snowden leaks Kaspersky was the only anti-virus suite the NSA was unable to hack to spy on people after 9/11. I have not found reports of if or when they succeeded in doing so. Personally I believe it is all based on cold war paranoia and fearmongering. Ran Kaspersky software on my system for years after 9/11, only switched due to their hardware virtualization requiring the disabling of Windows 11 virtualization and security.

  2. Yorick Hunt Silver badge
    Holmes

    The grapes are still sour

    They haven't forgotten (and definitely haven't forgiven) when Kaspersky discovered and revealed NSA trojans all those years ago.

  3. sitta_europea Silver badge

    Alleged leaked emails taken out of context?

    The transparency claim would be more persuasive if we saw the (allegedly alleged) emails IN context.

  4. Notas Badoff

    Dual-use: your work used against you

    Have a great idea for a beneficial invention? Stop! Prehensile you may actually be pre-heinous! In the wrong hands your aid to mankind could will be turned to destruction.

    Hmm, might this be a good party game? Challenge everyone to come up with a 'good' thing that isn't a 'bad' thing some how some way.

    "Vaccines" "Whoa! Vaccines are mind control devices! And that's without anything being wrong with them! Just how they're used by the conspiracy theorists."

    Make it an alphabet game? Axes, balloons, concrete, drugs, email, ...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Dual-use: your work used against you

      Vaccines are mind control devices! And that's without anything being wrong with them! Just how they're used by the conspiracy theorists."

      I always suspected this. That conspiracy theorists protesteth too loudly and must be up to something themselves.

      Now we know they are the ones transmogrifying harmless vaccines into mind controllers. Bill Gates has just been enjoying his quiet retirement at home listening to Led Zeppelin on vinyl, all along.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Dual-use: your work used against you

        ….up until when the levee breaks…

  5. Bebu
    Windows

    The argument I think...

    is not about Kaspersky's AV software but that some part of the company is developing, supporting or maintaining a military capability against and within Ukraine.

    If so proven that the whole company should be subject to western sanctions.

    On the face of it I am guessing the accusers are pissing in the wind. Kaspersky would be clever enough to keep any such collaboration separate and largely beyond detection.

    When you think about it, there is a fair chunk of the world that, given their rathers, would prefer Moscow spying on their affairs than Washington (and that doesn't exclude residents of the US.)

    Besides does anyone want all the talent in Kaspersky reassigned to the Kremlin's cyberwarfare capability?

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Barclays banking app

    A few years ago, Barclays banking app used to prompt to install Kaspersky anti-virus, saying that anti-virus was not installed, even though I had Norton installed.

    The act of saying there is "no anti-virus installed" when Norton was present, was therefore incorrect and therefore 2 conclusions could come to mind:

    1) that the detection of anti virus by the app was incorrect

    2) that the app just looked for Kaspersky installed and if absent reported no anti-virus, which is misleading.

    2) could be serious and I did look into whether the Advertising Standards Agency should have looked into it, but was unsure if there was a case. But promoting Kaspersky to be installed on the incorrect claim that no anti-virus was present, when Norton was present could be seen as false advertising, if the scope of the ASA includes apps. With "contains ads" on free versions of apps in general on Android, one might conclude that this case was within their scope.

    Whether or not one regards Norton as an effective tool against anti-virus, satirical or seriously is a side issue - and which would distract from what I think is the more interesting case that Barclays and Kaspersky were misleading people.

    Let alone what this article is writing about, which might add to the argument: was offering Kaspersky a wise choice by Barclays?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Barclays banking app

      The Barclays banking app does a lot of checking when it starts up - those animated scenes hide the processing. It first checks if you have any kind of root kit installed. These are not allowed by Barclays, but all other banking apps are fine. Second, it also walks your directories looking for files which are root kit related. I had tested out the one of the options, but backed it out after I found it didn't help my use case. However, I left the install binary in my Downloads folder. The Barclays banking app would crash on loading, with an error code the Barclays support desk could not find anything to help with. I was at my wits end and one day blindly decided to check the files I had on the phone. Deleted anything root related and voilá, the app loaded fine. It seems Barclays think nothing of trawling your phone directories looking for files it doesn't think you should have.

  7. Potemkine! Silver badge

    Kasperky should leave Russia definitively, not only moving its lab to Switzerland. No Russian company can be trusted as long as Putin Khuylo and his clique is in power.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      while I agree it would be better for the company to go to a neutral country. Mr Kaspersky would quickly be murdered by putin for doing that, and likely all employees and their families.

      I can hear putin giving the order; "Tradition!"

      1. Tubz Silver badge
        Big Brother

        Uncle Vlad wouldn't do such a thing, he would simply accuse Mr Kaspersky of some crime and in exchange for him, his family and employees being allowed to leave The Peoples Republic Of Putinstan, his company would be sold or given away to a loyal servant of Vlad.

        1. Yorick Hunt Silver badge

          "his company would be sold or given away to a loyal servant"

          You mean like what the USA is pushing for with TikTok?

          Projection is a horrible thing.

  8. ExpatZ

    Whatever, the US government can shove it.

    If the US government complains it is because thhey themselves are doing it and are just getting ahead of any criticism.

    As usual.

    They use Google AI to develop weapons and spy on everyone so who cares what those genocidal warmongering criminals want or say.

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