Huawei's woes really were just a flesh wound – profits just soared 564 percent Huawei's latest earnings filing revealed that despite US sanctions it still managed to grow its net profits a whopping 564 percent year-on-year. News of the profit came in a filing from the Chinese concern's holding company. The document records Q1 2024 net profit of 19.6 billion yuan ($2.7 billion), marking the fourth …
Huawei used to spend more on R&D than most other companies in the world.
Maybe they did copy some IP, but which other companies haven't? At the same time, they are the ones that own a lot of the IP required by other companies now, as they own some of the IP round 5G technologies for example.
Companies roll in the mud and snort in the trough for as long as they can until the abused underdog gains a foothold. At that point either the abuser must find another trough or another set of abusees or will fail.
Government economic and political protectionist policies - sorry "sanctions" - have been shown to do nothing long term but is a politically popular banner to fly to make the nationalists happy.
Why do you think the western politicos "bent over backwards" for China (apart from it being incredibly cheap, easily abused and a huge market with massive benefits for the west, no need to care about the Chinese workers and the planet whilst we in the democratised West can relax, paint ourselves green and eat crushed avacado)?
A significant portion of Chinese researchers and engineers has learned their skills in the West. Claiming all they've learned was to steal other people's work basically means our superior universities, research centers and companies are doing a horrible job. Which in your opinion they aren't, if they were they wouldn't produce anything worth stealing.
Both can't be true at the same time.
Didn't everybody predict exactly this outcome? Denying China access to US technology was merely a stumbling block for them. Soon they'll have developed their own technology that's cheaper, faster, smaller and uses less power, and they'll be the supplier of choice except for companies under the US government's thumb. USA forced China into their soon-to-be enviable position. I think that's called karma.
Soon they will have developed equivalent technology to the US, not necessarily better.
Fundamentally I agree with you that it's just a stumbling block but it just forces China to reach approximate parity with "The West". They'll probably do some things better and some things worse.
To be honest, I do see this as a generally good outcome. The Processor market for consumer PCs has been Intel vs AMD for too long and needs fresh blood. Same with the graphics card market - Nvidia is getting closer and closer to being a true monopoly in that space so I'm all for non-US competition coming in and hopefully improving competition.
The US is also unlikely to leave its companies out to dry. One thing they've done relatively well over the years is ensured that they have multiple options for government contracts, especially in the military space. Computing is just as important in the modern day so they will work hard to keep Intel/AMD/Nvidia going through rough patches if they ever need to start playing catchup with foreign competitors.
"Soon they will have developed equivalent technology to the US, not necessarily better."
That's a bit egotistical isn't it?
My Huawei P10 and subsequent P20 were leagues ahead of anything Apple were producing at the time.
The pace of China's technological progress since that idiot Trump started his nonsense, a very short few years ago, is astounding. China will have technologically surpassed the US within the next five years.
> Soon they'll have developed their own technology that's cheaper, faster, smaller and uses less power, and they'll be the supplier of choice except for companies under the US government's thumb
Come on... that was the plan all along. It's a little known fact that US politicians spend the best of their time reading the comments in El Reg. As they did, they understood that the best way to have Chinese super-geniuses really work at the maximum of their capabilities was to incite them to do so. Soon you will be enjoy "technology that's cheaper, faster, smaller and uses less power" and you will be ecstatic. It's not called "karma" is called "astuteness".
All we have to do now is wait... It won't take long now... What do you reckon?
Indeed, from Brandon's piece, linked under "revealed" in Laura's article, it was $434 million in Q1 2023. So the $2.7 billion in Q1 2024 makes it that 564% YoY increase (essentially). Still, it could be interesting to see Huawei become a publicly listed company, accountable to shareholders, submitting filings to the Securities Exchange Commission (SEC) ... rather than to the PRC.
Huawei is, 5G, 5.5G, 6G, WiFi 6, WiFi 7, NearLink, Nano Glass, First Satellite call mobile, Kirin SoC, Ai chip Ascend 910 world champion in 2019, EV audio & self driving & engine & fast chargers 1km/1min, Work with 7 EV companies, HiSilicon, Solar inverters, Ocean el.magnetic storage, New all OS, unbelievable R&D, unbelievable pile of patents, etc. .. this is a far ahead indeed, well deserved achievement.
Curiosity: Mount Everest have 5G, China Space Station have 5G++ ( speed 1,6Gbs ), 6x China Satellites 6G for testing is in the Orbit right now.
Source code is irrelevant. Huawei folks are in charge of managing their equipment and the data somehow finds its way to Shanghai and Shenzhen.
There are even cases where the source code provided by Huawei is the same as that of Cisco. Documentation included. Exact to the same typos. Huawei Admits Copying Code From Cisco in Router Software: Huawei Technologies Co. said a small portion of its router software apparently was copied from Cisco Systems Inc., but the Chinese company said it is removing the tainted software from its routers globally.
In papers filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Texas, Huawei acknowledged the apparent copying for the first time. But Huawei said the copying involved only a small portion of its VRP router software, less than 2% of the 1.5 million lines of code. Huawei said the copying was confined to one module of the software, which it has deleted from new versions.
Huawei said one of its employees apparently obtained the Cisco software on a floppy disk in 1999 from a Chinese man who hoped to work for Huawei. Bob Haslam, a lawyer for Huawei in Menlo Park, Calif., said the Huawei employees who received the disk understood that it contained Cisco's software, but did not know the software was copyrighted.
Cisco, San Jose, Calif., sued Huawei in late January, alleging widespread copying of its intellectual property. Huawei's filing argues against Cisco's request for an order barring sales of Huawei's Quidway routers in the U.S. Huawei said the order is not necessary, because it has removed all the routers with the tainted software from the U.S., and now is in the process of removing the tainted software from new routers globally. Huawei also said it is changing the commands used to operate its routers, and the manuals, which also prompted complaints from Cisco.
Huawei said the order would cast "an unwarranted pall" over its products and products that will be produced by its new joint venture with Cisco rival 3Com Corp. Cisco's filing "smacks of an attempt to besmirch a potential competitor," Huawei said in the filing.
In a statement, Cisco said it would continue to press for the order barring Huawei's products. Cisco said the newest filing was "further evidence that Huawei has unlawfully acquired and used Cisco's intellectual property."
No. Source code is quite literally everything. You have had to go back 20 years to dig this up. Two decades ago isn't representative of today.
That's why the US has had to re-open previously settled civil cases against Huawei. Despite sting operations, raids and other efforts, it drew a blank.
Anyway if you dig too deeply in CISCO code aren't you more likely to come across NSA code? Wink, wink. Or is that ancient history too?
Huawei leave a lot of vulnerabilities in their products so that their managed services can exploit them later. So there is no back door to find and deny. But they still pump all the data out. So, source code is NOT EVERYTHING. Regardless of what wumaos claim.
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