back to article DARPA's latest toy is a 20-foot, 12-ton tank that drives itself

DARPA has been working on off-road autonomous vehicles for decades, and now it has a combat-scale unmanned tank to show. The Robotic Autonomy in Complex Environments with Resiliency (RACER) program has entered a new phase of research that includes testing the RACER Heavy Platform (RHP), a 20-foot long, 12-ton (6 meter, 10.8 …

  1. Omnipresent Bronze badge

    You guys realize?

    The AI robot army has been realized at this point. It's a reality.

    1. KittenHuffer Silver badge

      Re: You guys realize?

      Only if you have a very blinkered definition of AI, and even then you have to squint pretty hard to make that fit.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: You guys realize?

        It's the early research.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Textron Ripsaw M5

    Anon is obvious...

    I saw the M5 up close at rest and on tac screens in action. I handled problem reports from early outdoors testing at a "customer site" in the Midwest (I will not disclose detailed location) and was part of the admin/ops team that helped organize and run tests both there and at another customer site in Texas, which is where I expect this follow-on testing occurred.

    The US Army work was being done by an in-Army team located near me -- again in the Midwest -- and I wonder how they feel about DARPA/Carnegie taking over that work.

  3. Charlie Clark Silver badge

    Welcome to DARPA-Land where budgets never get cut…

    NFT

    1. Gene Cash Silver badge

      Re: Welcome to DARPA-Land where budgets never get cut…

      Well considering "DARPA-Land" got me a world-wide innernetz and a bunch of other cool stuff, I'm not complaining. Aside from NASA/JPL, it's one of the few places my taxes are even remotely well-used.

      1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

        Re: Welcome to DARPA-Land where budgets never get cut…

        Ahem, have you looked at the comparative budgets? And, of course, NASA is famous for having its budget cut and having its priorities set by the politicians.

        Meanwhile, at DARPA, there's pretty much nothing you can't get funding for. The internet was strictly while it was just plain old ARPA, and things like the rest of the government still mattered. Now it's pretty much weapons, baby, yeah! But sharks with frickin' lasers are cool, right?

    2. quiteoldgeek

      Re: Welcome to DARPA-Land where budgets never get cut…

      Factual corrections time:

      DARPA cuts projects midstream when they don't meet the metrics. Ex: the Airlander. (You didn't know that the Airlander was a failed DARPA project?)

      DARPA terminates all projects after several years. If they were good then someone else will continue them.

      Carnegie Mellon (and other) scientists did the initial research before the Army; see my previous point.

      The first grand challenge was a 200 miles course in the desert; the best team failed about 7 miles in. The 2nd running was 130 miles; 5 teams finished.

      DARPA did not pay for the research, but awarded a $1M prize after the fact to the winner and nothing to the others. This seems an optimal use of taxpayer money.

  4. Gene Cash Silver badge

    "20-foot, 12-ton tank"

    So basically any American car in the early '70s...

    1. DS999 Silver badge

      Re: "20-foot, 12-ton tank"

      Heck this thing probably gets better mileage than one of those early 70s US cars

      1. HelpfulJohn

        Re: "20-foot, 12-ton tank"

        Engine technologies have improved a lot in fifty years.

  5. Steve Hersey

    Video is rather unimpressive.

    We see a tracked vehicle tooling around in open country, over uneven ground that the vehicle chassis can obviously just bull through without navigation assistance. We do not see it maneuvering among anything I would call an obstacle, even to a vehicle that couldn't just drive right over medium-sized shrubbery.

    There may well be high-performing autonomous systems here, but the video shown doesn't substantiate that proposition.

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Video is rather unimpressive.

      I wouldn't expect the video to be impressive. The budget on the other hand… WOW!

    2. David 132 Silver badge

      Re: Video is rather unimpressive.

      What struck me about the video was the utterly inappropriate cheery, plinky-plonky music.

      Like watching the chainsaw scene in Scarface with a soundtrack of the Birdie Song.

  6. Pete 2 Silver badge

    Not written by AI

    > platform agnostic autonomy in complex, mission-relevant off-road environments

    Only a human could come up with such drivel.

    1. Rich 11

      Re: Not written by AI

      But only until that sentence is fed into a LLM training dataset.

  7. Clausewitz4.0 Bronze badge
    Devil

    AI Kill Robots

    Some people think they can do better and with less funding. Let's play a game?

  8. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Tank true story

    soldier Theodore> Guys, the tank is again attacking the tree!

    soldier Brad> WTF man, where is James... JAMES!!! FFS.

    soldier James> Aye I am here!

    soldier Brad> Mate, go reset the tank, it's attacking the f tree again FFS.

    soldier James> No, you go I did reset it last time!

    soldier Theodore> Aight, cool your jets ladies, I am going in!

    soldier James> Now you talking. Go Go Go!

    *soldier Theodore approaches the tank*

    tank> *plays What is love! Lady don't hurt me! Don't hurt me! No more!*

    *soldier Theodore plunges his bayonet inside the reset slot*

    tank> *plays Windows shutdown tone*

    *soldier James screams*

    soldier James> Theo! Theo! Don't look up! Do...

    *loud bang*

    *everyone is dead*

    tank> *plays What is love! Lady don't hurt me! Don't hurt me! No more!*

    *tank commences to autonomously attack the tree*

  9. Rich 11

    Does anyone know if this thing uses lasers to scan its surroundings and plot a route? I can see the sense of it being used to clear mines, but in action on the frontline would be a very different environment.

  10. that one in the corner Silver badge

    Most important question: those blue slit lights fore and aft *are* full RGB, aren't they?

    Otherwise, how will they flicker and change to red when the AI turns evil.

  11. trevorde Silver badge

    Meh! Not impressed at all.

    Tesla's FSD is way better than this. DARPA should license it right now!

  12. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge
    Joke

    This is what Waymo needs, a cannon on the front to deal with those pesky pedestrians and unicyclists before they impede progress.

    1. MiguelC Silver badge
      Devil

      Splat!

      no need for a cannon, those 20 tons on tracks won't be stopped by unicyclists

  13. Tron Silver badge

    Optionally manned?

    By hobbits?

    1. Bebu
      Windows

      Re: Optionally manned?

      《By hobbits?》

      Orcs probably more vocationally inclined. Hobbits would just think sod this for a game of soldiers and eff off to the pub.

      "Optional" is military speak for "expendable" is it not? These beasts would likely be designed for tank, not crew, survivability although a grunt resetting an arboricidal tank with bayonet is likely to be less effective than a ukrainian with an anti tank weapon. Although a ukrainian would have enough sense to leave the trees and tank alone to settle their differences. With a bit of luck one of the trees will be an Ent. :)

  14. wsm

    Is it just me?

    Or does this thing look like it's always going backwards, something like the move to AI.

  15. SnailFerrous

    Cones defend humanity.

    Can these tanks be stopped with a traffic cone?

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jul/07/san-francisco-autonomous-cars-protest-cone

    Something to remember in the robot uprising.

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: Cones defend humanity.

      I would imagine that the tank self-driving software will be a little less concerned about running stuff over than taxi software.

      So what you'll need to fool it will be an inflatable US soldier to lie in front of it.

  16. Kev99 Silver badge

    Wasn't there an outfit out of Boston the specialised in autonomous/remote combat vehicles back in the 90s? Is the military once again reinventing the wheel?

  17. Tron Silver badge

    Interesting, but perhaps the wrong bit of kit to prioritise.

    Britain's Ajax was so loud when mobile that it was causing hearing issues for the unfortunates inside. Presumably it is easier to remove the humans than make them quieter.

    Ukraine/Russia has taught us that we need drones that can fly fast and low, under radar, navigating via road/rail/landmarks without GPS (which can be blocked). In urban environments, they would be difficult to shoot down as you would be taking out your own people when you miss. Smaller drones might even be able to navigate sewer systems. That said, using insurgents to erase members of Putin's inner circle on the sly would have ended things much quicker and much more cheaply, with far less loss of life. Always target the leadership if you actually want to win.

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: Interesting, but perhaps the wrong bit of kit to prioritise.

      I think the big problem with Ajax was vibration, rather than noise. Which now looks to have been solved. I'm sure it was cheaper to solve than it would have been to make the thing fully self-driving...

      Also remember that drones are limited by the laws of physics. if you want to make them faster, you've got to make them either smaller or bigger. If you want to make them terrain follow without GPS, then you're going to have to update their map files every time some buildings in the city you're fighting in get destroyed - or they've going to get lost. Which is actually similar to how missiles like Storm Shadow operate, they do use inertial navigation and GPS, but also have an imaging infrared sensor and are given waypoints to look for on their route, and for their final target. Which is why the Germans suggested that British troops might be on the ground in Ukraine to help them program the Storm Shadows (and French SCALP) that have been given to them. It rather annoyed the British government, I assumed we would be doing that programming for Ukraine, but back in Blighty - but I've seen leaks from the US that suggest Britain does have a hundred or so "military advisors" on the ground in Ukraine. Who knows?

      Anyway people just breezily say, "you should just have drones that do..." Well we can. But then they won't cost a few hundred dollars each, they'll cost tens to hundreds of thousands. Lower speed drones can be shot down with ordinary rifles, there are now optical sights you can get that detect the speed of the drone, and give you an aiming point for where to fire.

      Basically drones are part of the future of warfare. But if you want to take and hold ground, you'll need infantry. If you want to keep infantry alive on the battlefield you'll need to be able to breach defences and survive artillery and drones. So you'll need armoured vehicles. And the ability to clear minefields. And then air defences, and anti-drone defences. So then if you want drones, you may need anti-drone drones, and anti-anti-drone defence-drones and so forth...

      Finallly, killing the enemy's leadership ain't always so easy. Russia sent various special forces teams to Kyiv just before the invasion of Ukraine. Then used air-mobile troops to attack a nearby airfield (Hostomel) to support them, and still failed to kill or capture Zelensky. And that was with a certain number of traitors in the Ukrainian government who'd been working for Russian intelligence agencies for years.

    2. Bebu
      Windows

      Always target the leadership if you actually want to win.

      I am not sure Putin is the most competent leader for his Russia engaged in a war. Removing him might risk a much more competent replacement. Although a truly competent and realistic replacement might see russia's future in a different light and call it quits and send all those responsible to buggery (a little settlement in central northern siberia.)

      All conflicts inevitably end with the survivors sitting around a table to resolve their (remaining) differences. Starting from this axiom it doesn't take a Quine to deduce that a lot of time, money and lives could be saved by hiring a conference room at the outset instead.

      Unfortunately this planet is run and largely owned by individuals and their syncophants whose monomania, greed and defficient grasp of reality, gravely injure the whole world. The fact that these malefactors welcome conflict is not a conspiracy theory but rather the natural consequence of their gross defects.

  18. hammarbtyp

    I knew my many hours practicing Battlezone, would come in useful one day

  19. osxtra

    In Keith Laumer's excellent BOLO stories, the AI tanks began as a sort of Abrams on steroids, first rolling off a GM assembly line around the year 2000.

    He wasn't that far off...

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  21. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Don't worry

    You'd have thought that Ukraine would've taught us that slow moving, heavy vehicles are not the weigh forward unless to deploy drones into the battlefield.

    Ah, but I forget they fit the US military industrial complex's business plan.

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