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Japanese telecom giant NTT issued an apocalyptic warning about the impending dangers of AI on Monday. "If generative AI is allowed to go unchecked, trust in society as a whole may be damaged as people grow distrustful of one another and incentives are lost for guaranteeing authenticity and trustworthiness," asserted the …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Like this post if you believe I'm an LLM sent to destroy democracy.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      No I am!

      My name is also Spartacus

    2. ecofeco Silver badge

      No! I am Spartacus!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        No, I am Spartacus (and so is my wife)!

  2. Paul Crawford Silver badge

    NTT's overall take of generative AI is a rare expression of doubt on the technology from the tech industry itself.

    Perhaps one of the few voices of sanity within the mad rush to commercialise the latest trend?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      No, this is another voice in the choir. Honestly, I wonder if Microsoft paid them to say this.

      Have they ever used an LLM? Have you? The things are dumb as bricks. They're easy to spot, especially because you simply cannot get them to shut up, they will turn a thought that can be expressed in two words into a 10 page essay, all while rambling about absolutely nothing.

      Actual critics don't inflate LLMs at all, helpful or hurtful, because they see them for what they are; fancy word-suggestion algorithms. Whether it's snake oil or doomsday fanaticism, all of it is inflating the capabilities of a very simple algorithm that genuinely just does not perform well in day-to-day tasks when it comes to talking with a real person.

      1. xyz Silver badge

        >> They're easy to spot, especially because you simply cannot get them to shut up, they will turn a thought that can be expressed in two words into a 10 page essay, all while rambling about absolutely nothing.

        Ahh... My girlfriend. :-)

        1. seven of five

          Oi! Stop dating my wife!

      2. ecofeco Silver badge

        Using 100 words when two will do?

        Sounds like most people I've ever met.

        1. that one in the corner Silver badge

          >> Using 100 words when two will do?

          > Sounds like most people I've ever met

          Ah, the glamour of a life in politics

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        @AC - Oh, my dear, AC

        everything you say is right. The big problem is that this imperfect AI is being pushed into every corner of human existence and put in control of various aspects of everyday life of hundreds of millions of people.Governments, insurance companies, health care providers, local administrations, law enforcement, military, [bold]everything[/bold] will be infused with this whatever you want to call it.

        Just take a look at Google's Gemini fiasco and imagine what would happen if such a "mind" would be put to use by a healthcare provider or by an insurance company or by your future employer.

        And this will happen for sure, my friends.

    2. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Preparing the chosen few for their worst nightmare .... mass precision target casualty events ‽

      Perhaps one of the few voices of sanity within the mad rush to commercialise the latest trend? .... Paul Crawford

      And a pretty rare and honest indication of the most damaging sector for instructive directive hostile and alien forces/source to attack and/or exploit in order to have the greatest of impacts on humanity , PC.

      The sad and mad tale that the past and recent presents have foolishly not told those who may be perceived of as being in the know and enabled to escape just accountability, is that hiding and trying to deny the voice of truth will, as it has always done, deliver dire consequences to all parties privy and responsible for the self-serving abomination ...... secretive insider 0day trading.

      Methinks nowadays only the greatest of ignorant and arrogant fools would be tempting themselves to continue to use and rely on that broken tool be available and effective both in and for the future, however, as has been noted in the past .......

      Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. ..... Albert Einstein

  3. StrangerHereMyself Silver badge

    Facebook

    I believe one of the victims of AI will be Facebook, as there will be millions of fake profiles created continuously which will be difficult to detect as AI and which seem to interact with other users in a manner indistinguishable from a real human. This could undermine trust in the platform and the eventually its scuttling.

    Another downside will be that prosecutions of criminals and corrupt politicians will become all but impossible since audio and video footage of their crimes could be argued to have been generated by AI. Over time it will become difficult to distinguish generated from authentic content leaving the courts no option but to disallow the evidence.

    1. jmch Silver badge

      Re: Facebook

      "difficult to distinguish generated from authentic content leaving the courts no option but to disallow the evidence."

      (Not an expert caveat) - I believe there are ways to digitally sign a recording at the time of creation to prove authenticity. Not sure how easy they would be to (a) use and (b) subvert

      1. Wellyboot Silver badge

        Re: Facebook

        Digital signatures are useful to prove a recording hasn't been changed since its creation, It's getting rapidly more difficult to prove* it's not a complete fabrication in the first place.

        * to a legal standard

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Facebook

          > Digital signatures are useful to prove a recording hasn't been changed since its creation

          A valid (especially if it is also verifiable, e.g. by being separately published) strong crypto hash shows that a recording hasn't been changed (not even in ways we'd treat as benign or even benevolent - e.g. reducing it down to a manageable resolution before propagation).

          > It's getting rapidly more difficult to prove* it's not a complete fabrication in the first place.

          A digital signature (as opposed to just the hash) - preferably, a chain of digital signatures - should prove who originated the material, who then modified it (e.g. reduced to sensible resolution), who then edited that copy and so forth (a really good chain would actually include those descriptions of the operations performed, but realistically settle for just who provided *this* variant).

          So then you at least get to know who to ask "is this made up?".

          Of course, everyone will then claim that their private keys were stolen and it wasn't them what done it, honest, so it comes down the usual (e.g. do you believe they nicked his private key and only used it for this video, avoiding the temptation to do anything else with it?).

      2. DJ

        Re: Facebook

        We can only hope.

        If it takes AI (whatever that means this week) to rid the world of the pox that is social media, the sooner the better.

        ...legs it for nearest door..

      3. StrangerHereMyself Silver badge

        Re: Facebook

        Hope is not a strategy!

    2. Version 1.0 Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Facebook

      ""If generative AI is allowed to go unchecked, trust in society as a whole may be damaged ..."

      And we've seen similar issues as social media posts have been universally unchecked too - often creating problems everywhere when false views are promoted. All changes in technology (not just AI changes) need to be fully reviewed and carefully evaluated, not just applied worldwide.

    3. yetanotheraoc Silver badge

      Re: Facebook

      "audio and video footage of their crimes could be argued to have been generated by AI"

      Bring back eyewitness testimony!

      1. Cav Bronze badge

        Re: Facebook

        "Bring back eyewitness testimony"

        The most unreliable form of evidence.

  4. jmch Silver badge

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    "multiple AIs should be available – to keep each other in check"

    If it's in their perceived interest (and we have no real idea of how an AI could perceive it's own 'interest'), AIs meant to keep each other in check can still sneakily collaborate... so you need another AI to keep them in check, and then another and it's AIs all the way down.

    "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" is difficult enough to design in human-based systems even when we know a lot of what drives human psychology, and with hunderds or thousands of years of experience in what doesn't work. What chance is there of designing a system of AIs that really can keep tabs on each other?

    1. yetanotheraoc Silver badge

      Re: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

      "What chance is there of designing a system of AIs that really can keep tabs on each other?"

      Marketing has the answer. Our product does it, their product does not.

  5. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Nation Shall Speak Peace Unto Nation

    AI could crash democracy and cause wars, warns Japan's NTT

    Calls for ecosystem in which AIs keep other AIs in check, and lots more regulation ..... Laura Dobberstein [El Reg]

    Of the possibility of Japan's NTT warning proving true, there is certainly no doubt, Laura, with the only real effective preventive solution indeed being greater AIs keeping lesser AIs in check although with a great deal more in the way of revelations rather than regulations as the transparent means of remote command and virtual control.

    And most definitely, without any shadow of doubt, if not to be treated as suggested and supplied, a live current presence and existential threat extremely gravely to be regarded because of the discombobulating fact, oft trailed and celebrated in fictions, that there be no available viable human defence/attack vector.

  6. Mike 137 Silver badge

    "AI could crash democracy and cause wars"

    We hardly need AI to do that, as we already have Trump and Putin.

  7. Jason Hindle

    Calls for ecosystem in which AIs keep other AIs in check, and lots more regulation

    So, will the solution to all AI problems always be more AI?

    1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Re: Calls for ecosystem in which AIs keep other AIs in check, and lots more regulation

      So, will the solution to all AI problems always be more AI? .... Jason Hindle

      One need only imagine zero human input/output will provide an entirely novel root/route for future enjoyment/entertainment/employment/exploitation for such as may indeed be the new breed of problem solvers, Jason Hindle. It is not as if it and serial human failings are an impossibly difficult act to follow and replace with something/anything better, is it ‽ .

    2. that one in the corner Silver badge

      Re: Calls for ecosystem in which AIs keep other AIs in check, and lots more regulation

      > So, will the solution to all AI problems always be more AI?

      Or a robust, large, circular and very bright red, "off" switch. Preferably more than one.

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