back to article Alibaba signs to explore one-hour rocket deliveries

Alibaba's Taobao e-commerce platform is exploring one-hour delivery by – wait for it – rocket. You read that correctly. Beijing-based startup Space Epoch used its WeChat account to reveal the plan on Sunday, detailing the 120m3 cargo cabin mounted atop its Yuanxingzhe 1 rocket. Taobao has reportedly confirmed the alliance is …

  1. JimmyPage

    Maybe Chinese calendars

    are a couple of days out ?

    1. lvm

      Re: Maybe Chinese calendars

      Nah, if you click through to the original Chinese article, it was on time, even a tad early. The delay should be attributed solely to credulous hacks.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Well I couldn't select my location. The only options appeared to be Taipei, Hsinchu, Taichung,Tainan, Kaohshung

  3. abend0c4 Silver badge

    Sounds like a scaled-up version of Santa, though he also seems to have a solution for those who don't have a little "silo" connecting the delivery point to the outside world. They may struggle with a patent given the prior art.

    1. vtcodger Silver badge

      A scaled up version of Santa.

      Well, let's see. A full grown adult male reindeer weighs around 200kg. Eight of those. Then there's the mass of the sleigh, harnessing, etc for eight of the propulsion engines, the weight of the fat dude pilotong the thing (What about his salary? Working on a holiday and all that. Can't be cheap). Call it 2000kg. That's quite a bit more than the SpaceX max of 831kg. But costs look to be around $294,000 +$6000/kg. So let's say $12,300,000. Plus extras of course. There's always extras, right?

      No more than a modest mansion perched on an unstable, fire prone hillside in Beverly Hills or Malibu. Well within the reach of a tech billionaire or other classy individual. Hell, Donald Trump can probably write you a check for that if you just give him a minute or so to find his checkbook. (Pro-tip. Cash that check fast).

      Clearly a viable project.

      1. abend0c4 Silver badge

        There's always extras, right?

        I suppose we have to account for the energy density of the fuel. Kerolox presumably outperforms carrots, but mince pies might be a different matter.

      2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        But a space grade Titanium sleigh and mutant Space Reindeer...

  4. Neil Barnes Silver badge
    Alien

    Funny how well

    those 19th century ideas are working.

  5. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Mushroom

    NORAD is going to love this - not

    If (big if there) this ever happens, NORAD will go nuts trying to differentiate delivery rockets from ICBMs.

    That'll be fun -->

    1. RockBurner

      Re: NORAD is going to love this - not

      They're all delivery rockets...

      1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
        Mushroom

        Re: NORAD is going to love this - not

        The advantage of an ICBM being that it doesn't even need to be all that accurate.

        If the package arrives within 10 miles of your house - then you've still received it and your delivery has been successful. Have a nice day!

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: NORAD is going to love this - not

          Modern ICBMs being very accurate is why their payloads have low kiloton ratings and not megatons.

          1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

            Re: NORAD is going to love this - not

            Modern Western ICBMs, do we really know how accurate Russian or Chinese missiles are ?

            Do they even work ?

    2. Aleph0
      Mushroom

      Re: NORAD is going to love this - not

      Also because they have a valid prior art claim...

      Reddit link (sorry)

    3. imanidiot Silver badge

      Re: NORAD is going to love this - not

      My thoughts too. Just shooting IRBMs everywhere willy nilly is bound to make some people rather nervous. It also seems needlessly wasteful and complex for not all that much time gain.

      1. vtcodger Silver badge

        Re: NORAD is going to love this - not

        Not all that much time. Especially since China unlike some advanced countries (in North America) has high speed rail -- 25000km of it. You can load a LOT of packages on a train.

      2. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

        Re: NORAD is going to love this - not

        As opposed to the non wasteful idea of commuting ?

  6. M7S

    Change in benchmark

    In the early 90’s we were all transfixed by a Middle Eastern outfit that apparently could deliver by rocket in forty-five minutes.

    Caused quite a stir at the time….

  7. tony72

    Rockets are loaded very carefully to ensure stability in flight and take days to prepare for launch. The idea that rockets will be available to launch parcels on a whim is lovely – but not currently practical.

    To be fair, that is not really what I would take issue with. Rockets are just missiles by another name, and I can assure you that there are plenty of missiles ready to launch at a moments notice. If being ready to launch at a moment's notice is your goal, then you choose propellants that will allow that, such as the common stable hypergolic propellant loads (e.g. good old dinitrogen tetroxide and monomethyl hydrazine), or solid rocket motors. Preparing the payload quickly is also perfectly doable, especially in China, where dropping rockets on people's heads is not that big of a deal anyway. Just put your payload adaptor on a rig that lets you see where the centre of mass is, stack up your payload with the centre of mass zeroed out, pallet-wrap it, and cross your fingers. Solvable problems. Seriously though, look at the recent "responsive launch" missions by Firefly Aerospace for the US Space Force - 24hrs to integrate the payload, set up the rocket on the pad, and get the payload to orbit. There's provably no need for it to take days.

    Personally, it's the cost that stands out as a probably insurmountable obstacle, rather than anything else. You could do it, but I just can't see the cost coming down to a level that's anywhere near practical. Even if you've got a fully re-usable rocket that can make many flights with minimal refurbishment, you've still got the cost of the launch and landing infrastructure. There's just no way it's not going to cost a fortune.

    1. Richard 12 Silver badge

      The fuel alone...

      RP-1 with LOX is roughly the cheapest.

      RP-1 is $2.30/kg, LOX about $0.27.

      A Falcon 9 burns approx.

      120 tonnes of RP-1 = $276000

      285 tonnes of LOX = $76950

      So $353,000 of fuel, for at most 1 TEU (20ft container) of payload if you're lucky.

    2. Spherical Cow Silver badge

      "Rockets are just missiles by another name"

      A cow flung from a trebuchet is a missile but not a rocket (regardless of its shape).

  8. Bebu
    Windows

    Kim Jong Un might want some of this too....

    A ballistic missile albeit guided (soft) landing in a prepared silo? Only a crypto "investor" is likely to believe that.

    Even an object under controlled powered flight might find landing a tube a big ask.

    I guess there are no shortage of flag poles in the PRC and no shortage of lackeys to salute the unfurling of the most dubious ensigns.

    I would punt for a huge robot (think Gigantor) catching these rockets at their destination a la cricket or baseball.

    1. Winkypop Silver badge
      Terminator

      Re: Kim Jong Un might want some of this too....

      + 1 for Gigantor reference.

  9. PhilipN Silver badge

    Not rockets then drones or airships

    https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3257466/china-clears-us70-billion-low-altitude-economy-take-promise-minimal-interference

  10. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    Take advantage of scale and put the warehouse in orbit. It gives a whole new meaning to "drop off".

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Gives a whole new meaning to dropshipping. "Your Rod from God package is expected in 15 minutes. Please be available to sign for it when it arrives."

  11. Jon 37 Silver badge

    SpaceX pricing

    The "rideshare" prices are for a place on a rocket that's launching multiple customers. The dedicated launch price is a better starting point for this.

    $67M a launch. For Falcon 9. (Not Heavy)

    That is a 2022 price, from the "Capabilities and services" document linked at the bottom of this page: https://www.spacex.com/vehicles/falcon-9/ . SpaceX used to have a pricing page on their website, but that's not there any more.

  12. spuck

    Then after delivery, the spent rocket is loaded on the back of a lorry and driven back to the warehouse... sounds efficient!

  13. Stuart Castle Silver badge

    Not sure this is a good idea. Good for getting the clicks, but people need to remember there is a good reason NASA likes to leave a lot of space and/or water between it's launch pads and people...

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