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Time is running out for developers and administrators to prepare themselves for Microsoft's one domain to rule them all – cloud.microsoft. Microsoft told the world of its plans to unify its domains just under a year ago and is now reminding developers that it really is time to remove your head from the sand, especially if you' …

  1. alain williams Silver badge

    Why break things with gratuitous change ?

    Microsoft does not seem to understand the concept of stability.

    1. wolfetone Silver badge

      Re: Why break things with gratuitous change ?

      Some little dickhead at Microsoft has dreamed this up to keep themselves in a job. That's all this does.

      1. sedregj
        Childcatcher

        Re: Why break things with gratuitous change ?

        Hmmm: whois cloud ... oh Tucows with Italian and Canadian addresses in the record. I hope MS are running part or all of uniregistry.net's DNS otherwise it might go walkies or crap itself in the road.

        Why on earth would you dump a reasonably serious sounding .com address for the rather nebulous and flimsy sounding .cloud?

        It's not quite as daft as "Consignia". A company with famously red vans and post boxes with a gold logo and brand names that many firms would give several other people's kidneys for (Royal Mail, Post Office etc) tried rebranding with a new name coz ... S&M and that.

        It will probably end up being dumped by a .cloud deny list on many firewalls.

        I do hope due dil has really been very, very diligent.

        1. doublelayer Silver badge

          Re: Why break things with gratuitous change ?

          It's not a .cloud TLD, it's a .microsoft TLD. The second-level domain is cloud, hence cloud.microsoft. You can bet that Microsoft runs every part of the infrastructure related to the .microsoft TLD.

    2. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: Why break things with gratuitous change ?

      OTOH it's to avoid loads of domains like this which surely must be something to applauded. It has to be done sometime and it should already have been done by now.

      1. tin 2

        Re: Why break things with gratuitous change ?

        While that is to be applauded, it still could all easily go under microsoft.com. This is just rebranding for rebranding BS sake.

  2. Mike 137 Silver badge

    What would be really nice ...

    would be if they'd consolidate all the domains used for "update" and "telemetry" into a single one I could block at the firewall.

  3. vtcodger Silver badge

    I seem to have gotten to this planet by mistake. Does anyone here speak English?

    "Microsoft's stated goal is to use microsoft.com for "non-product experiences" such as marketing or support, while cloud.microsoft will handle authenticated, user-facing product experiences."

    "non-product experiences?" "user-facing product experiences?" "authenticated?" (by whom?, to what purpose?) What, if anything, does all this mean? Is an English translation available?

    1. katrinab Silver badge

      Re: I seem to have gotten to this planet by mistake. Does anyone here speak English?

      Non product experiences - marketing gumph, product documentation, their online store

      user-facing product experiences - web applications

      authenticated - you have to log in with your Microsoft account password / 2fa

      1. OhForF' Silver badge
        Windows

        Re: I seem to have gotten to this planet by mistake. Does anyone here speak English?

        If it worked as promoted currently by Micros~1 it would be a great way to filter the marketing stuff (*.microsoft.com) when using their services.

        What are the odds that i'll be able to whitelist scripts in my browser for the "user-facing product experiences" *.cloud.microsoft (or even*.microsoft) only and have authentication and services working properly?

        I fully expect this attempt at a "reduction in the fragmentation of domains" to work out like attempts at creating one univseral standard for all use cases.

    2. deadlockvictim

      Re: I seem to have gotten to this planet by mistake. Does anyone here speak English?

      An «Experience» is marketing-speak for something that will disappoint you, that cost a lot to put together and has high entry fees.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Single point of failure

    have they heard of it ?

    And given most of their outages are DNS related (it's *always* DNS) then I'm not so sure they should be consolidating. I would strongly advise the reverse and diversify.

    1. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: Single point of failure

      It sounds like they are diversifying. teams.microsoft.com is one domain, whereas multiple things *.cloud.microsoft are multiple ones, which can have multiple name servers involved. Not a lot of diversification, but there is some. A major DNS failure probably won't be much better with that, but it won't make it worse.

  5. anthonyhegedus Silver badge

    WHY?

    I've only just finished commenting on another article about Microsoft ridiculous propensity to keep changing things!

    Won't they ever leave anything alone? What happened to office.com, 365.com etc?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Doh!

      The answer is a huge NO.

      I'm sure that there is a whole team in MS Towers whose sole job is to dream up new ways to piss the user base off - again and again and again and...

      It is getting tiresome. My company has had it with MS. The latest W11 update when rolled out borked 23% of desktops. We are working on a Linux desktop for 150+ users. As for Teams.... Shit and more shit. The users told us in no uncertain terms that is was an inhibitor to productivity. It lasted just 6 weeks.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Doh!

        shhh. it's ok. It was merely a dream. Companies don't listen to employees. For another hint that you are still sleeping. Users aren't savvy, unless we're referring to mobile apps; then, maybe.

    2. David Hicklin Bronze badge

      Re: WHY?

      Remember they need to find simple things they can change in a single "sprint" because, you know Agile and all that.

      Anything more complicated like fixing the bugs and flaws in their products just gets kicked into the backlog and left to rot there.

  6. Malcolm Weir Silver badge

    They're just mad they can't use MS.COM.

    (If they were Musk, they'd use it anyway and let Morgan Stanley deal with chaos.)

    1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

      Nah. If they wanted to play that game they'd just buy Montserrat. (Population under 5000. GDP around $60m. Country code .ms.)

      1. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
        Gimp

        That Worked For Matt Bellamy & MUSE

        The top level domain of Mauritius.

        https://www.muse.mu/

      2. Malcolm Weir Silver badge

        They can't: Montserrat is part of the UK

        The other issue is that the GDP may not be enormous, but the capital wealth "domiciled" there is... significant. See also the island of Jersey....

    2. Roland6 Silver badge

      But they could drop the .com and use the .microsoft TLD…

  7. druck Silver badge
    WTF?

    Oh what a shame...

    ...I've redirected *.microsoft to fuck.off

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  9. JWLong

    Nounage and Verbage!

    This is going to fuck my HOST file.........!

  10. Bebu Silver badge
    Windows

    "What fresh hell can this be?"

    Dorothy Parker had the good fortune of never having to deal with MS cruft. If she had, her question would be less rhetorical.

    A 1906 Montana (US) newspaper's

    "...when there is no fresh hell to serve, it does the next best thing and dishes up some warmed-over hell."

    is even more applicable.

  11. xyz Silver badge

    Stupid.twats.microsoft.com

    I.couldnt.give.a.fuck.anymore.about.those.idiots.at.microsoft.com

  12. jimbot

    This might be a useful change for organisations whose staff access Office 365 through firewalls and proxy servers. Microsoft recommend allowing direct (non-proxied) connectivity to their service endpoints in order to minimise latency and give the best user experience, or at least disable proxy authentication when accessing them. If your browser traffic goes down a corporate VPN connection then Microsoft recommend configuring a split tunnel for Office 365. Yes, they are that pretentious. No, for the most part it isn't actually necessary. The exception is Teams, which needs its media streams to be firewalled through in order to work adequately. If this isn't done it will fall back to encapsulating the traffic within HTTPS which doesn't tend to work very well.

    Microsoft publish an updated list of endpoint host/domain names and IP addresses each *month* that admins of such organisations should supposedly use to update their firewalls/proxies/PAC files/group policies that control the flow of Office 365 traffic. Mercifully the list is available in machine-readable (JSON) format, but it's very helpfully left as an exercise for you to figure out how to script it into place. See here for the gorey details:

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/enterprise/urls-and-ip-address-ranges?view=o365-worldwide

    The list of domain names gives me the distinct impression of a bunch of people working on Office 365 without any coordination, throwing the product back-end together at random with no real plan. If all that rubbish can be simplified down to *.cloud.microsoft then that would be useful. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft found it a burden to keep track of it all too. This just leaves the IP addresses, which is more forgivable as it hopefully provides some redundancy/resilience.

    1. sabroni Silver badge

      Jimbot bud, no-one wants to read a balanced and fair description of why this might actually be a good idea.

      Read the room.

      This is an outrageously stupid decision that is purely marketing led and designed to make normal users suffer.

      See? Easy when you know absolutely fuck all about the subject!

  13. navarac Silver badge

    Renaming stuff

    We all know Microsoft loves renaming stuff. Give it a week or so, and they'll rename it once again to:

    ai.cloud.teams.microsoft

    Then we'll all have to start over again. (Until the next cool thing that gets added to the front of that!

  14. Timto

    Phishing

    Is it just me or are companies trying to make their URLs look more like Phishing URLs?

  15. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

    Dear Scammer

    Please update your evil emails to reflect this change.

    Thank you!

    Microsoft

  16. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Am I reading this right? Someone gave Microsoft their own TLD?!

    1. zb42

      In the year 2012, ICANN allowed anyone who could pay a $185,000 fee to apply to be given control of a new Top Level Domain of their choice.

      Microsoft corporation applied for the dot Microsoft TLD and was granted it in the year 2015.

      A load of new GTLDs were created. Keeping a TLD alive costs at least $50,000 a year for ICANN fees and servers so some of them have lapsed.

      ICANN currently plan to reopen applications in the year 2026.

      If more than one entity want a particular TLD, if a TLD is controversial or if there are existing trademarks then the application process can take many years.

      1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

        I can just about get my head round generic TLDs. But one for each big corp? Not least because corporations, even Microsoft, change their names (Google => Alphabet. Facebook => Meta) or go bust. Someone will always want a `.books` TLD. But who's go to want a `.microsoft` one when they are ashes?

        1. doublelayer Silver badge

          If Microsoft ceases to exist, their TLD will probably lapse. But you're going to have to wait a while. Microsoft isn't likely to fail in the short term, and even if it changes its name for some reason, the old one will still have importance. Facebook may call itself Meta now, but the name and domain connected to Facebook still has a lot of meaning. The same applies to Google/Alphabet. When they changed the name of their corporation, they didn't change the name of the service. Even when a name is supposed to be retired, the change does not happen quickly. Elon Musk may want us to call Twitter X, but the x.com domain just redirects to various names without X in them, but with twitter in them. People still recognize the Twitter name, and if someone else eventually takes the husk that Musk left, I can guarantee that they'll want the Twitter brand and will probably not care too much about the X one, which is good because Musk is oddly obsessed with it and undoubtedly will want to keep it for something.

      2. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

        ICANN should have told Microsoft...

        ICANN should have told Microsoft they can use micros-1 as users have suffered for years with 8 characters and it is now payback time. Plus they probably can't be trusted to limit their urls to the de facto limit of 2048 characters.

  17. Meeker Morgan

    Not necessarily this but something like this ...

    .. is what I anticipated when I decided not to use Microsoft cloud.

    I use applications on my own computer and use non-MS cloud services for backups.

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