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Microsoft has now confirmed that the Russian cyberspies who broke into its executives' email accounts stole source code and gained access to internal systems. The Redmond giant also characterized the intrusion as "ongoing." In an updated US SEC filing and companion security post, Microsoft provided more details about the …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Russian cyberspies and ‘secret’ emails /s

    Some of these secrets were shared between customers and Microsoft in email

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I find it hard the believe...

      I find it hard the believe Microsoft executives would even know what source code looks like, much less have access to it or that anyone could steal Microsoft source code by hacking Microsoft executives' accounts. If there's one thing Microsoft executives know is plausible deniability for when their products are shown to be crap.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Russian cyberspies and ‘secret’ emails /s

      The Register needs to change that illustration to a more accurate one, like a Russian bear getting roasted on a BBQ spit. Hmmmm.... bear meat!

    3. vtcodger Silver badge

      Re: Russian cyberspies and ‘secret’ emails /s

      Most likely a clever plot by the CIA. Acting on full access the Microsoft source code may well set Russian IT and cyber intelligence efforts back a couple of decades. Maybe more is Microsoft actually has documentation for their code -- a conjecture I've encountered from time to time but for which there seems to be no known evidence.

    4. low_resolution_foxxes

      Re: Russian cyberspies and ‘secret’ emails /s

      Thinking out loud - if Microsoft had secrets why would they share them with major customers?

      Are they indirectly saying they were talking to an intelligence agency and informing them about a backdoor?

      The emails that were attacked included "a legacy non-production test tenant account" - read of that what you will...for whatever reason they have a 'test account' that happens to hold the live emails of executives (and presumably...other peoples email?). Possibly an offline listening post type account?

      What on earth this means for live emails...I do not know "We will act immediately to apply our current security standards to Microsoft-owned legacy systems and internal business processes".

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Well that's business buggered then

    I'm sure there aren't many security holes in the source code to be exploited, so everyone should be fine...

    1. elsergiovolador Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: Well that's business buggered then

      What if they were good guys and stole Windows source code to fix bugs and to remove telemetry?

      1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

        Re: Well that's business buggered then

        Given there are tens if not hundreds of thousands of files, its would takes years just to get an idea how it all works... and basically nobody has years to do this.

        1. The Man Who Fell To Earth Silver badge
          Unhappy

          Re: Well that's business buggered then

          Not even Microsoft, by the looks of it.

    2. cyberdemon Silver badge
      Coat

      Security by Obscurity

      I once had someone tell me that we couldn't POSSIBLY use Linux on a particular product - "because Linux is Open Source - That means Anybody can get in!"

      Windows 2000 had been mandated by higher-ups, for a government type-approved embedded system. Each unit required three separate Intel Atom PC/104 boards each running win2k for the system to operate. Usually one of them was borked, so it usually didn't.

      Of course, in this case, that was fine, because the product in question was the speed cameras on the M25 and M40 (ducks)

      Borked cameras often required lane closures and someone to go up on a gantry to reset it.. In the end, they made most of their money selling dummy cameras

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Well that's <s>business</s>Russia buggered then

      1, They switch their military infrastructure to Windows

      2, *****

      3, Defeat

  3. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Wild speculation

    My wild speculation, but don't Microsoft have Russian nationals among the execs? If they have families and assets in Russia they can be pressured to leak information or do other unpleasant things and then say "Cyka blyat got hacked!".

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Wild speculation

      What, you think Russia is a mafia State? Oh wait...

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    For the love of money, and other random motivations

    Security risks exist regardless of nationality, so in terms of measuring risk, nationality is only one factor.

    "I will just keep sending you an abundance of information," he [U.S Army Sergeant Korbein Schultz] wrote to the coconspirator, according to prosecutors, later expressing a desire to compare himself to Jason Bourne, the fictional spy created by author Robert Ludlum. [Current News Story]

    Contrary to ingrained implicit bias, he has no blood relation to Sergeant Schultz from Hogan's Heros, the affable, lovable WWII German prisoner of war guard so endeared to many US TV viewers in the 1960's.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Joke

      Re: For the love of money, and other random motivations

      Anon: "Sergeant Schultz from Hogan's Heros, the affable, lovable WWII German prisoner of war guard so endeared to many US TV viewers in the 1960's."

      Yer showing your anonymous age :)

    2. Bebu
      Windows

      Re: For the love of money, and other random motivations

      《no blood relation to Sergeant Schultz from Hogan's Heros》

      Clearly, sgt Hans Schultz was memorable for his "I know nothing... nothing."

      His latter day namesake apparently knew far too much for his country's good.

  5. Fizzypo

    Military supplier

    Ms sells software to everyone including the military, so if you want to hack the dod then you're going to be a target. Get your act together. A 12 year old uk child hacked in the Pentagon. No one said our Sercurity is so bad even 12 year old can get in. They wanted to jail him. No one got sacked for being rubbish at there job.

    1. vtcodger Silver badge

      Re: Military supplier

      "Ms sells software to everyone including the military"

      My impression, and I sure hope I'm right, is that the US military only uses Microsoft and other commercial software for routine office tasks -- payroll, tracking vacation, ("Leave" in Milspeak), Probably some purchasing and accounts payable -- especially COTS (Commercial Off The Shelf) stuff like office supplies or products resold in the Base Exchange. Combat systems hopefully remain on dedicated software far from the weird notions that vendor testing is adequate and that nothing can possibly go wrong with Over The Air updates.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Military supplier

        Remember "Windows for Warships"?

  6. RandomOvine

    "Lets outsource basically everything to Microsoft"

    "What, even hardware, infra and security ?"

    "Esp hardware, infra and security...."

    1. HereIAmJH Silver badge

      "Esp hardware, infra and security...."

      When you're a sad corporation that is less secure than Microsoft, there is always Entra ID.

      The Redmond giant also characterized the intrusion as "ongoing."

      ...and stole internal messages and files belonging to the leadership team, and cybersecurity and legal employees.

      But hey, everything is safer in the cloud.

      1. Peter-Waterman1

        Some clouds are better than others...just saying

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Azure is a joke. Crappy Downtime, No depth to their services, you have no option but to do things in the limited scope they provide and not the way you do things, and now they have shown to have piss poor security. Still, They take our execs out to the F1, so thats us stuck with them, I guess

    2. schermer
      Unhappy

      Pennywise, ...

      Worst thing is: my government did put almost all of their files on "Azure".

  7. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Joke

    Windows 7/10

    They were probably after the source code for Windows 7 and Windows 10. And it they did come across Windows 11, they'd probably wouldn't have bothered to lift that

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Windows 7/10

      True, they would have been particularly interested on how to switch off the nag screen in Windows 10 to upgrade to Windows 11.

  8. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

    Maybe this will enforce "OnPrem without cloud force"?

    Changing the priority 'cause government says so. Offer a "By default cloud-free" version of Windows 10 / 11 / 12 / Office 'cause government says so. Without dark pattern 'cause government says so.

    It is not the the USA government is without power over companies - as soon as the "national security" trigger is hit there is no limit. At least in my dreams they will enforce such a Windows version.

  9. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

    I think the real question is why are executive who cant code given access to repos and other files that they have no clue how to use and dont need access too in the first place ?

    1. Dr Who

      Not really. The executive probably does not have access to the source code. But if I can send internal emails as a Microsoft executive, I probably have a better chance than most of wangling such access.

      1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

        Why should a clueless executive be allowed to give access to anyone... wtf do they know ?

  10. gr00001000

    Cozy Bear the solarwinds crew

    We should be worried.

    Knew this was not just mailboxes, bur Microsoft effectively covered it up.

    Something big going down.

    1. ecofeco Silver badge

      Re: Cozy Bear the solarwinds crew

      The cyberwar has been ongoing for years now.

  11. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge
    Windows

    Surprised

    microsoft has source code.

    Judging by the latest patches I thought they threw the task at a bunch of interns and hoped for the best (not forgetting to sack the intern who produced the lowest lines of code)

    1. Bebu
      Windows

      Re: Surprised

      "(not forgetting to sack the intern who produced the lowest lines of code)"

      An intern who deleted unused, inaccessible or otherwise nilpotent code would be required to pay for the privilege?

      I am sure you could peel potatoes in part of the Windows kernel. ;)

  12. ecofeco Silver badge
    Facepalm

    No evidence?

    Still 'no evidence' of any compromised customer-facing systems, we're told

    Bwahahaha!! And they expect us to believe that?!

    1. low_resolution_foxxes

      Re: No evidence?

      I believe it's inferred.

      The weaselly language implies that there were no "compromised customer-facing systems" and I immediately assume that means that "non-customer facing offline backup systems of customer data" was accessed.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Reading skills.....or writing skills?

    Quote: "...access to some of the company's source code repositories..."

    At SolarWinds the hackers INSERTED malware into development libraries.....and then waited for the code to turn up in the delivered application.

    Why is this report so coy about this possibility? Why are hackers always represented as STEALING material....when the smart money is on the possibility that they are WRITING CODE at M$?

    1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

      Re: Reading skills.....or writing skills?

      Most of Windows is C++. So: Not when I write the code, not my best language.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sending sensitive data in an email

    Some of these secrets were shared between customers and Microsoft in email, and as we discover them in our exfiltrated email, we have been and are reaching out to these customers to assist them in taking mitigating measures.

    I have experienced this with customers sending sensitive information via email, I would delete the email, expunge the mailbox, and request the customer to change those details in their systems. I do not need access to a customer's system, when I needed information, I'd tell the customer how to retrieve the information in their systems for me.

  15. neilfs

    Zero trust?

    I see zero trust is going well at Microsoft, they can't even seem to make it work for pen pushing executives who have a basic grasp of Word and use Excel as a desktop publishing package.

    1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

      Re: Zero trust?

      Oh I have had zero trust of MS for many years now.

  16. simonb_london

    If they try and use any of that Microsoft source code in their weapon systems then we have absolutely nothing to worry about. No point having hypersonic missiles if they take four hours to finish installing updates before responding to anything.

  17. Omnipresent Silver badge

    micro$oft = threat

    I think we all need to come to grips with the fact that micro$oft is a threat to a civilized society, and may be reaching it's end of life. This is going to be an extremely difficult transition for most.

    1. Kobus Botes
      Mushroom

      Re: micro$oft = threat

      @Omnipresent

      ...the fact that micro$oft is a threat to a civilized society...

      You are joking, but I am of the opinion that Windows365 presents a single point of failure to everyone who have moved their enterprise/business/own pc to Win365. I am sure there are more than one bad actor who is salivating at the prospect of the world+dog moving en masse, as they are sitting on a plethora of unknown/undisclosed/unpatched vulnerabilities that will allow them to take control of Windows365 and then hold the world economy to ransom.

      If I were a CTO/CIO of an enterprise or company that is fully invested in Microsoft products, I would have sleepless nights about it; the more so if top management is unwilling to consider other avenues. (OK, I would not be with that, or any similar company, anymore).

      Please note that I am not a tin-foil hatter, nor a conspiracy theorist of any sort; all you need to do is open your eyes and think about how WIndows365 is designed to work, ajnd who is looking after your security (you certainly have no control over anything once it is in Windows365, even if you believe it with your whole heart).

      The wailing and gnashing of teeth will be deafening the day that it happens (not if - when).

      1. Omnipresent Silver badge

        Re: micro$oft = threat

        TBH I'm not sure I am joking. At this point no one trusts M$ for good reason. I think it started with the cloud computing push myself. I mean, M$ never was the best option, it was simply the best option available. Greed, and very bad design, has made it a vulnerability, and threat to society. I use both mac and windows, but this incident has me thinking more about how we, as a society can no longer rely on it, or trust it. So, what happens after M$? How does society handle it? How do we still function without what is both our most relied upon technology, and our biggest threat to humanity?

  18. BenMyers

    Exfiltrated? How about stolen?

    In typical Microsoft-speak, a concept exfiltrated from various authoritarian regimes, the reality of theft and stealing is obfuscated by its use of the word "exfiltrated".

  19. naive

    If Russians (a.k.a. Putin a.k.a. the God of bad luck in the West) stole the code

    Then the code gets better, MS would have to close the back doors the governments of the "free" world use to spy on their citizens.

    It seems improbable those governments want to leave those door open to the MoD or KGB.

  20. xyz Silver badge
    Holmes

    I feel sorry for the hackers...

    Think of the nightmare going through all that class inheritance.

  21. feral

    "it was russians wot did it, definitely"

    .... but how do they know?

  22. bigfishinnet

    Aren't they called Fancy Bear and not Cozy Bear?

    1. diodesign (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Different groups

      Hi - Fancy and Cozy Bear are two separate Russian intelligence groups. They are not the same.

      C.

      1. Ken Shabby Silver badge
        Facepalm

        Re: Different groups

        I thought you said “Fozzie Bear”, “Wocka, wocka”

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Why do we trust Microsoft??

    Way back in 2007 a Microsoft executive said: "Microsoft is not a security company. Security is important, but it's just a little part of Microsoft,"

    Source: https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-onecare-should-not-have-been-rolled-out/

    That was 17 years ago. MSFT's lack of security acumen has not improved. They still don't have security as part of their DNA.

    Defender should be marketed as "Free 'checkbox security' from your E5 subscription. 'Good Enough' to block script kiddies, and not much more."

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The good thing about this is...

    The quality of the montly security patches might go up if they come from the Russian hackers in future....

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