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An alleged arson attack at a power substation outside Berlin has knocked Tesla's nearby gigafactory offline, and a left-wing activist group is claiming that disrupting Tesla was their entire intent. Multiple news sources in Germany have reported the incident and cited German police's belief that the fire was suspected to be …

  1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

    It is not left wing extremists

    It is still under investigation. You should check which German sources you ask. Because some newspapers, which should be called instigator-papers, prematurely blame left-wing terrorists just 'cause they love to blame everything on them.

    Don't trust Bild (similar to The Sun for UK), or its local branch bz-berlin which is even worse since it is "locally". Both are known for making up truth instead of reporting it.

    And just because someone claims to be responsible doesn't mean they are - we have enough examples of such claimers.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: It is not left wing extremists

      So who is to blame? The 'far right'?

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Re: It is not left wing extremists

        So who is to blame? The 'far right'?

        Give it time. But it's one of those ignoring history things. There are a lot of ecoterrorist groups on assorted watch lists, and performing increasingly violent 'direct action'. Yet most of the media and idiots like Sunak gloss over the dangers from far-left extremists.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: It is not left wing extremists

          RWNJs make any excuse to deflect that they are aligned with the far-right. Which is more-and-more the biggest danger to our domestic security here in the West.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: It is not left wing extremists

            I think you will find that your claim is false.

            There has recently been a conviction in Germany over a series of really rather brutal attacks in broad daylight where a far-left group would literally jump people and beat them with hammers and bats. In London there have been people pretty much calling for the erasure of Israel as a nation and a HUGE rise in antisemitism including attacks on Jewish owned businesses and threats to Jewish people.

            NONE of this is from the right of the political divide.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: It is not left wing extremists

              Because the far-right never harmed, or called for the harming of Jews, ever. Right?

              1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                Re: It is not left wing extremists

                Because the far-right never harmed, or called for the harming of Jews, ever. Right?

                The problem is with crude labelling to smear ideogical opponents. The Nazis were National Socialists, or more correctly "National Socialist German Workers' Party". Most lefties probably regard themselves as being socialists, pro-worker and anti-capitalist. That doesn't automatically make them Nazis though. Some of their policies may echo Nazi ideology, ie much of the Green stuff. Other policies may be fascist, but then the definition of fascist has been morphed to make that a right-wing thing.

                But therein lies the danger. Anyone who's to the right is automatically a 'far-right' extremist, racist, anti-everything and should be locked up. The US did this with their Jan 6th protestors after all. Himmler did the same thing with the NSDAP's political opponents in Germany. Governors in the US have been trying to disenfranchise millions of voters. The US Supreme Court just gave a unanimous ruling that States don't have that power, only Congress. So of course some 'Democrat' congresscritters immediately started working on how to stop Americans voting for Trump. Colorado's leader whined about how this is 'protecting democracy' by removing voter's choice. And going back to Germany, they've been trying to do much the same thing with their AfD.

                But that's the problem with democracy. Sometimes the majority might vote in a way you don't like.

                Personally, I'm a libertarian. I prefer small government that doesn't get in the way. Politicians don't like this idea, neither do bureaucracies in general. I'm certainly not a fan of nationalism, especially neo-nationalism based on false ideals. That's never ended well. And I'm really not a fan of fascist or authoritarian governments, even though that's what we seem to be sleep walking into. A guy in the UK just got 2 years prison for putting stickers around with slogans like "White Lives Matter". Same judge gave much lighter sentences to pedos and other criminals. Something is.. not quite right with this picture. I don't know if there were other factors, and some of the stickers could be regarded as offensive. But 2yrs for political expression? Seems a little harsh.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: It is not left wing extremists

                  TL;DR

                  Assuming usual claptrap about fascist Nazis in Germany being socialists. Another smokescreen put up by RWNJs when they realise they are aligned with some real malevolent forces.

                  I bet you think Buffalo Wings come from flying bison too.

                  1. cyberdemon Silver badge
                    Mushroom

                    Re: It is not left wing extremists

                    Wow, talk about Godwin's Law for a thread about what was at first an anti-deforestation protest.. Frankly from the pictures, Tesla already had more than enough land to double the size of their factory.. This was at worst "nimby"ism / at best a genuine protest against a megacorp destroying a local forest. But now criminal acts by a few who joined said protest are being shown to damage the cause of the rest. The media and commentators can choose a narrative, but this has little to do with Fascism, yet.

                    Frankly, I do worry about the progression of polarised politics.. Inequality and Injustice turn to protest. Protest (amplified by thugs on both sides) turns to riot. Riot (again amplified by thugs) turns to insurrection, and insurrection turns to bloody revolution. Demagogues and nutjob trolls can accelerate this decay, but rarely can they prevent it.

                    Remember that while the first victims in bloody revolution may be rich, the next (the vast majority of victims - e.g. in the case of Pol Pot et al) are the educated-but-not-rich. I.e. every genuine human on this forum..

                    The world does feel unstable atm, but prematurely declaring "nazis" does nothing to help it..

                    1. Dave314159ggggdffsdds Silver badge

                      Re: It is not left wing extremists

                      What's the name of the law about 'anyone who cites Godwin's law doesn't know what it actually says'?

                  2. W.S.Gosset Silver badge
                    FAIL

                    Re: It is not left wing extremists

                    >usual claptrap about fascist Nazis in Germany being socialists

                    Hitler & co were far-left.

                    If you'd tried declaring otherwise pre-50s, you'd have been regarded as having profound mental problems.

                    When the left realised that "the world" was outraged by their behaviour when exposed in large, a major revisionism campaign kicked off, starting mid-WWII in USA, led initially by the Frankfurt School.*

                    The revisionism worked.

                    * who, amusingly & tellingly, fled Germany for asylum in the US, then immediately they were safe, turned around & started railing at the US for being totalitarian.

                    1. DS999 Silver badge

                      Re: It is not left wing extremists

                      No, Hitler was not "far left" by any definition of the term. Using the term "socialist" in your party's name doesn't make them left wing anymore than calling your party the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea makes it any of those things!

                      1. cyberdemon Silver badge
                        Holmes

                        Re: It is not left wing extremists

                        One could argue that he started off far left, then moved left, and ended up on the extreme right, such is the circular nature of the left/right political simplification ..

                      2. Dave314159ggggdffsdds Silver badge

                        Re: It is not left wing extremists

                        The DPRK is not North Korean? It's not democratic, a republic, or of the people, though, I agree.

                    2. Anonymous Coward
                      Anonymous Coward

                      Re: It is not left wing extremists

                      >>Hitler & co were far-left.

                      Oh look. Yet another RWNJ with just enough morality left to know being associated with the far-right/supremacists means having to whitewash(sic) history to allow themselves to sleep better. Carry on!

                      Interested in buying some Fool's Gold? It's gold!

                    3. Hans 1
                      Boffin

                      Re: It is not left wing extremists

                      Hitler & co were far-left.

                      Go find a picture of the Reichstag in 1931 or 1932, notice the NSDAP sitting on the far right in the chamber.

                      NSDAP, in light brown uniforms, leave the chamber, except Goebbels:

                      https://www.swr.de/swr2/wissen/archivradio/nsdap-droht-und-verlaesst-das-parlament-1931-reichstag-vor-hitler-100.html

                      1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

                        Re: It is not left wing extremists

                        Extra up-vote for citing GERMAN source. Since WW2 we have a huge amount of documentations how it came to that running up and down on our public broadcast channels. Part of it enforced by the allied forces, partly 'cause the swing to the extreme right is currently very strong and the AfD will soon be history for being anti-constitutional. Like those many other extremist parties who tried before. This is deserves a big "thank you" for the 1950-version of the United States Of Murica for enforcing some universal laws into our constitution.

                        But there is a issue: The haters which ignore history and don't get it taught, or only a very weird "Trump-Tucker-style" variant of it. The leftpondians didn't have a real invasion on their ground by neighbouring countries for way over 100 years (internals US vs US wars does not count here). And that single attack on that Hawaiian island 4000 miles of the US coast in the ocean does not count as well, especially since their own atomic tests did WAY more damage. But constantly invade other countries, bomb Iran from the progressive 1970's version back into the dark age and complain how problematic the country they left behind is.

                        You can forget it to tell them how it is. Many believe Porsche is an Italian brand instead of German. Many think Mercedes cars are primarily built in Berlin, and VW and Audi of course too - and at the same time boast to know "much about Germany".

                        Those are the ones who are great at downvoting everything which does not fit to their belief, 'cause haters have endless energy. Ever since The Register is not .co.uk any more that type keeps flowing in. It does not matter that there are so many Americans which are great people, that type is what builds the view of "everyone in America is like that". Just like many believe Bavarian is whole Germany.

                        </rant>

                        Let the downvotes flow in.

                2. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: It is not left wing extremists

                  Some of those stickers were far tamer than what is being said at some of the pro-Palestine rallies.

                  The lefties are revelling in this verdict but remember how much they screeched about people being arrested at King Charlie's coronation for holding up blank sheets of paper?

                3. cmdrklarg

                  Re: It is not left wing extremists

                  **** The Nazis were National Socialists, or more correctly "National Socialist German Workers' Party". Most lefties probably regard themselves as being socialists, pro-worker and anti-capitalist. That doesn't automatically make them Nazis though. Some of their policies may echo Nazi ideology, ie much of the Green stuff. Other policies may be fascist, but then the definition of fascist has been morphed to make that a right-wing thing.

                  The NSDAP was about as Socialist as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is Democratic or a Republic. Names of organizations don't mean anything all too often; it's their actions that actually define them.

                  Fascism was never morphed into a right wing ideology; that is exactly where it started and exactly where it remains.

                  **** Anyone who's to the right is automatically a 'far-right' extremist, racist, anti-everything and should be locked up. The US did this with their Jan 6th protestors after all.

                  The Jan 6th "protestors" are being prosecuted because their protest became a riot, arguably an actual insurrection. They committed criminal acts and are being given their days in court.

                  And enough of the hyperbole, OK? The vast majority of people who lean right don't participate in MAGA cult riots and are not being locked up.

                  **** Governors in the US have been trying to disenfranchise millions of voters. The US Supreme Court just gave a unanimous ruling that States don't have that power, only Congress. So of course some 'Democrat' congresscritters immediately started working on how to stop Americans voting for Trump. Colorado's leader whined about how this is 'protecting democracy' by removing voter's choice. And going back to Germany, they've been trying to do much the same thing with their AfD.

                  There's definitely a group hell bent on voter disenfranchisement in the US, and it ain't state governors. Look at any law made that restricts voting and you will find them rooted in the GOP.

                  And keeping Dear Leader off the ballot does not equal voter disenfranchisement. There is absolutely nothing stopping voters from voting for him via the write-in vote. I for one want him on the ballot, as it is not likely that he is going to do any better against Biden a second time. If you want a Republican in the Oval Office Haley would be a far better choice than the FOM (I'd never vote for her, as she's far too rightwing for my tastes) as she would likely win over Biden.

                  **** Personally, I'm a libertarian. I prefer small government that doesn't get in the way. Politicians don't like this idea, neither do bureaucracies in general. I'm certainly not a fan of nationalism, especially neo-nationalism based on false ideals. That's never ended well. And I'm really not a fan of fascist or authoritarian governments, even though that's what we seem to be sleep walking into.

                  If you're not a fan of fascists you shouldn't advocate for the Florida Orange Man, as he is a card carrying example of one.

                  I am a libertarian (not Libertarian, but anti-authoritarian) lefty. My ideal government is big enough to do it's job of helping those who need help (but not bigger), and to run the things that private enterprise can't, won't, or shouldn't do (roads, utilities, healthcare, etc). Big enough to oppose the money-grubbing corporations that want to impose their will upon everyone. My ideal is that everyone should be able to do what they want when they want, provided no one else's rights are infringed. Unfortunately far too many assholes make it their goal in life to cause pain and suffering to someone else, so my ideal is really nothing but a pipe dream.

                  (My $0.02, YMMV, some restrictions apply, see your dealer for details.)

                  1. Anonymous Coward
                    Anonymous Coward

                    Re: It is not left wing extremists

                    "The Jan 6th "protestors" are being prosecuted because their protest became a riot, arguably an actual insurrection. They committed criminal acts and are being given their days in court."

                    Actually a large number have been charged with misdemeanours which would normally be non-custodial but the DOJ and judges are using obscure reasons to jack up the prison time. The appeals court has just ruled that this is incorrect so hopefully we will see a flood of sentence reductions very soon. Something also worth noting is that BLM/Pantifa rioters have been let off without charge for committing actual felonies and in some cases awarded compensation for 'wrongful arrest'. This included people who were recorded firebombing police vehicles.

                    "There's definitely a group hell bent on voter disenfranchisement in the US"

                    Yup, the DNC. Remember what they did to Bernie? I would put a few quid on Biden getting a hammering by 'none of the above' today.

                    "If you're not a fan of fascists you shouldn't advocate for the Florida Orange Man, as he is a card carrying example of one."

                    Sadly he isn't, the dementia patient and the uniparty dog whistles of 'our democracy' are the fascism. The two tier justice as just described is pretty clear on this.

                    "My ideal is that everyone should be able to do what they want when they want, provided no one else's rights are infringed."

                    Here is the muddy water. At what point do your rights become infringed? Is offence infringement? Mild inconvenience? Cos right now people are being imprisoned for holding the wrong views. In the UK we've seen people arrested because the police claim that 'someone has been caused anxiety'.

                    "Unfortunately far too many assholes make it their goal in life to cause pain and suffering to someone else"

                    Usually grossly overweight women with tide-pod coloured hair and men playing dress-up going through neighbourhoods with bullhorns slashing tyres, breaking windows and daubing slogans on everything.

                    It wasn't the 'far right' that tried to burn down Ted Wheeler's home or accosted AOC in a cinema or gunned down two teenagers in the CHAZ. But we ignore all that as someone walked on some grass somewhere. If Jan 6th had been an actual insurrection the Capitol building would have been a smouldering husk by the end of the day.

                    1. cmdrklarg

                      Re: It is not left wing extremists

                      **** Actually a large number have been charged with misdemeanours which would normally be non-custodial but the DOJ and judges are using obscure reasons to jack up the prison time. The appeals court has just ruled that this is incorrect so hopefully we will see a flood of sentence reductions very soon.

                      I agree, the sentences should reflect the infraction.

                      **** Something also worth noting is that BLM/Pantifa rioters have been let off without charge for committing actual felonies and in some cases awarded compensation for 'wrongful arrest'. This included people who were recorded firebombing police vehicles.

                      Whataboutism. The sins of BLM/Antifa rioters does not excuse the sins of the Jan 6th rioters. Please also notice that the Jan 6th riot was on the grounds of the US Capitol during the counting of electoral votes, something slightly more important than police vehicles.

                      **** Yup, the DNC. Remember what they did to Bernie?

                      I do. The problem with your whataboutism is that it does not constitute voter disenfranchisement. Voter disenfranchisement involves the act of preventing people from voting at all. It does not involve not having certain candidates listed on the ballot.

                      **** Sadly he isn't, the dementia patient and the uniparty dog whistles of 'our democracy' are the fascism.

                      Those words you use; they don't mean what you think they mean. No wonder you're AC.

                      **** The two tier justice as just described is pretty clear on this.

                      You are correct that there is a two tier justice system. There is the one for the wealthy and powerful, and another for the rest of us. Guess which one the Florida Orange Man belongs to?

                      **** Here is the muddy water. At what point do your rights become infringed?

                      Exactly right. I did say it was an ideal...

                      **** Usually grossly overweight women with tide-pod coloured hair and men playing dress-up going through neighbourhoods with bullhorns slashing tyres, breaking windows and daubing slogans on everything.

                      LOL... that has to be one of the most overblown hyperboles I've seen. Bravo!

                      **** It wasn't the 'far right' that tried to burn down Ted Wheeler's home or accosted AOC in a cinema or gunned down two teenagers in the CHAZ. But we ignore all that as someone walked on some grass somewhere.

                      I suppose not... but I wager I could come up with a laundry list ten times longer that RWNJs did do that wasn't just "walking on some grass". But I won't, as that would just be more whataboutism.

                      **** If Jan 6th had been an actual insurrection the Capitol building would have been a smouldering husk by the end of the day.

                      Bullshit. Insurrection is "an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government". You can downplay it all you want, but we've all seen the videos. The location and timing is what made it insurrection, not whether it succeeded or not. An unsuccessful spur of the moment insurrection is still an insurrection.

                      Yeah, I'm out; done with this. Good day sir!

                      1. Anonymous Coward
                        Anonymous Coward

                        Re: It is not left wing extremists

                        "Please also notice that the Jan 6th riot was on the grounds of the US Capitol during the counting of electoral votes, something slightly more important than police vehicles"

                        The destruction of state/federal property and the endangerment of life is FAR more serious than being on some grass in DC. The right to peacefully protest and petition for redress is enshrined in the constitution. Torching police cars isn't. If you can't see the difference then well... yeah, 'nuff said.

                        "it does not constitute voter disenfranchisement"

                        Ditching Bernie for HRC WAS voter disenfranchisement. People voted, their vote was ignored. They were deprived of their say in the process. This is what leads to voter apathy, low turnouts and further polarisation.

                        What you are talking about is voter SUPPRESSION. Stopping people from voting is SUPPRESSION. Voter ID is not voter suppression, well, unless you are cheating. Given that you pretty much need an ID to sneeze in the USA let alone claim any sort of govt benefit, buy alcohol, ciggies or license your car it is sensible to need it for voting. The vast majority of civilised nations require voter ID. Claims that requiring ID is somehow racist is basic liberal racism in thinking that black people don't know how or where to get a photo ID.

                        "Insurrection is "an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government""

                        Describes the summer of love perfectly and it was encouraged by many democrat politicians.

                  2. Dave314159ggggdffsdds Silver badge

                    Re: It is not left wing extremists

                    If you can't accept that the Nazis were actual socialists - fascist socialists, so far right socialists have been proven to be possible for a century or so - then you're just as nuts as the guy who believes the J6 coup attempt was just a protest, and the insurrectionists are being persecuted. Hitler presided over vast transfers of wealth, from Jews, from France, and so-on, to (generally the poorer) Germans. Hitler's rise to power was based on a promise to help the Great War veterans, and he actually started off meeting that promise - and it later caused him problems with the Holocaust, because so many Jews were veterans.

                    The irony is that based on your post, most notably the conspiratorial views expressed, you are closely aligned with old-fashioned far right politics, so your only issue with Trump should be that he's a pretender, not the true new fuhrer you'd support.

            2. Dave314159ggggdffsdds Silver badge

              Re: It is not left wing extremists

              Of course it's from the far right - but many of them lie about being on the far left, because that's more effective. Corbyn, Galloway, etc. Holocaust deniers are far right, always and only.

              That said, most of the people joining the antisemitic marches and so-on are just useful idiots who believe Iranian propaganda wholesale (especially when the BBC and Guardian repeat it uncritically). The number who actually understand that 'from the river to the sea' means 'wir mussen die juden ausraten' is small.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: It is not left wing extremists

                "Corbyn, Galloway, etc. Holocaust deniers are far right, always and only."

                OK, you had me for a moment there ;)

                "The number who actually understand that 'from the river to the sea' means 'wir mussen die juden ausraten' is small."

                I can't remember who did the video but they interviewed some protesters and asked 'which river?' and 'which sea?' and most of the people couldn't answer.

                1. Dave314159ggggdffsdds Silver badge

                  Re: It is not left wing extremists

                  I'm not sure what your snide smiley is for. Are you unaware that Corbyn and Galloway have been praised by Nick Griffin and other neo-Nazis? Surely no-one at this point can be unaware that Corbyn is an antisemitic conspiracy theorist, and Galloway has a long and sordid history of taking money from the far right.

                  Or do you somehow think that people can be Holocaust deniers without being far right?

                  1. Anonymous Coward
                    Anonymous Coward

                    Re: It is not left wing extremists

                    "Or do you somehow think that people can be Holocaust deniers without being far right?"

                    Not sure Corbyn was a denier. He hung around with a few though. But there is no law of the universe that says to be one you must be the other. That only exists in your brain as you've been programmed to believe anyone on the right is evil and that everyone you disagree with must be politically to your right. Left = good, right = bad. Keeps it simple, saves you using too many neurons.

                    Galloway is an 'ocean-going arsehole' (saw it somewhere else and it fits him perfectly). His ego is so big that even with double doors he has to turn sideways.

                    Nick Griffin is on par. Opportunist and playing the system. Didn't actually represent anyone, just got himself a lot of media attention. Like Farage. All mouth and no trouser.

                    Trump's daughter is married to a Jewish man and Trump moved the US embassy to Jerusalem. Very antisemitic. So by your logic Trump must be left wing.

                    1. Dave314159ggggdffsdds Silver badge

                      Re: It is not left wing extremists

                      Nurse! He's off his meds again!

      2. cyberdemon Silver badge
        Megaphone

        Re: It is not left wing extremists

        > So who is to blame? The 'far right'?

        Could have been anyone at this point. Usually any protest comes with a fifth column of twats trying to get the whole group banned, maybe under the oversight of government / police / secret services

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: It is not left wing extremists

          Ah, a false flag?

          1. cyberdemon Silver badge
            Facepalm

            Re: It is not left wing extremists

            We don't know yet, my point is only to counter the idea that it was "obviously the protesters wot did it".

            False flags do exist, and have done since long before the Trojan war.. He who claims that "anyone who talks about false flags is a self-discrediting conspiracy theorist nutjob" is a nutjob with an axe to grind himself.

      3. Filippo Silver badge

        Re: It is not left wing extremists

        You don't really need to have someone to blame immediately after the event. You can wait until at least some proper investigation is done. Even if it turns out to really be whoever the finger was first pointed at, just because you didn't point the finger too right away doesn't make you complicit or anything.

      4. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

        Re: It is not left wing extremists

        "Eco-Terrorists" are neither left or right wing. Don't compare Germany to democrazies which have have, practically, only two partys to choose from - for more than 100 years.

    2. Dave314159ggggdffsdds Silver badge

      Re: It is not left wing extremists

      Could your bias be any clearer? Responsibility has been claimed, while actual culpability remains up in the air, but you know for a fact it wasn't left wing terrorists and that's just [insert conspiracy theory here].

      The irony is that you far left nutters are basically indistinguishable from the far right types you claim to be opposed to.

      1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

        Re: It is not left wing extremists

        The irony is that you only see far left or far right nutters. But nutters are nutters, no matter which of the many political direction they are from. Does you country have, practically, only two major political parties?

        1. Dave314159ggggdffsdds Silver badge

          Re: It is not left wing extremists

          I'm not sure how you get any of that from my comment. I can spot all kinds of nutters, including your kind.

  2. wiggers

    Surely there wouldn't be a single point of failure to take out a whole plant and town?

    1. 42656e4d203239 Silver badge

      Surely there wouldn't be a single point of failure to take out a whole plant and town?

      Why not? there might be just one <many>kV string coming to the area, blow up/set fire to the end of that string and hey presto... blackout.

      Power distribution networks were never designed to be resilient against someone deliberately attacking a sub-station (cf. right-ists shooting sub-stations in the US of A and causing blackouts last year)... and, as the networks rarely get redesigned, they will remain vulnerable.

      FWIW I think the original thought process, back when people were generally more sensible, went something like "No-one would be demented enough to set fire to a sub-station would they? no? OK" yet here we are with demeneted people everywhere.

      1. Marcelo Rodrigues
        Coat

        "No-one would be demented enough to set fire to a sub-station would they? no? OK"

        The dementors are burning the midnight oil allright.

        I know, Iknow. Coat. Door.

    2. imanidiot Silver badge

      Power grids are very complex, very large, very distributed machines. It's often not possible to have multiple feeds from multiple directions to a large end user like a car factory, and substations are very expensive bits of kit. That makes it very likely most if not all smaller cities, towns, villages and large scale industrial plants are fed from a single substation or feed line. And thus vulnerable to these sorts of attacks. Those better read into the whole thing have also warned for years that with out increasingly tied together grid, causing a cascade failure where simultaneous failure/attack at certain key choke points could take down pretty much every single power plant in Western Europe or most of the grid in the US as each failure causes such a surge of demand on the next plant that it too falls over, causing another surge on the next plant.

      And in the coming years with the increasingly distributed power generation from wind and solar, it's likely we're going to see just how vulnerable our power grid really is.

  3. tony72

    Where were those eco-activists when the decision was taken to turn off Germany's nuclear plants and strip-mine lignite to burn instead?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Protesting FOR the closure of the nuclear power plants and protesting against coal.

      German far left eco groups tend to be against EVERYTHING including wind turbines! They are a miserable bunch.

      1. John Robson Silver badge

        "German far left eco groups tend to be against EVERYTHING"

        One could argue that they aren't left or right, they're just wrong.

      2. Dave314159ggggdffsdds Silver badge

        They aren't actually against everything, they're against anything that lets poor people in Africa and Asia get on equal terms with the West. It's a white-supremacist thing, but obviously admitting as much doesn't go down well in Germany, so they pretend it's an eco-loon thing.

  4. stiine Silver badge
    Mushroom

    If they're camped in a German forrest...

    Perhaps Tesla can hire the RAF to clear them out? It worked, before, in Dresden.

    1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

      Re: If they're camped in a German forrest...

      Naa, the RAF were communist. Musk is not.

      1. twutcher

        Re: If they're camped in a German forrest...

        You've got the wrong RAF.

        Original poster meant Royal Air Force.

        The communists that you refer to were the Red Army Faction.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction

        1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

          Re: If they're camped in a German forrest...

          Then the original poster did the usual "Abbreviation can only mean what it means here in my environment" thing. A VERY United States Of America thing, since their abbreviations are "expected" to be used world wide.

          1. Dave314159ggggdffsdds Silver badge

            Re: If they're camped in a German forrest...

            No, you just don't have the education to understand the reference to Dresden.

    2. wub
      Alert

      Re: If they're camped in a German forrest...

      Um, yeah it might clear out the protesters, but then the forest will be gone, too. And I'm not so sure the Gigafactory would survive either...

      1. Casca Silver badge

        Re: If they're camped in a German forrest...

        So a win win?

  5. abend0c4 Silver badge

    Locals will remain sympathetic after an arson attack knocked out their electricity?

    Happily, they still have a forest to burn until the electricity is restored.

  6. aerogems Silver badge

    Assuming it was some kind of eco terrorism, while I don't condone the way they went about it, I do agree with a lot of the sentiment about Xitler quoted in the article. Tesla factories have a history of being far more polluting than their counterparts in the auto manufacturing industry, but Xitler is able to hide a lot of this because of all the carbon offset credits they get (and then sell) for their cars. Xitler doesn't give two shits about the environment, Mars, or anything other than having his ego regularly fluffed on Xitter and his personal net worth. I'd say he's like Hank Scorpio from the best Simpsons episode ever, but he doesn't treat his employees well and he's nowhere near as competent as Scorpio.

  7. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

    Update on this:

    Official citation: "Die Ermittlungen werden nach wie vor in alle Richtungen gegen Unbekannt geführt und dauern an"

    Translation: "The investigations are still being carried out in all directions against unknown persons, and are going on"

    I.e.: I was right, it is still not clear. Neither left, right, eco, Tesla haters (most likely up to now) or "just weird". Still unknown although several groups have taken the responsibility for their own propaganda.

    Happy downvoting to all who downvoted my first post :D. Prejudgement is the hardest to fight and generates the most hate.

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