back to article Updates are plenty but fans are few in Windows 11 land

Microsoft is adding fresh features to Windows 11 and preparing to fling yet more update nagware at Windows 10 users in the hope that a bigger wave will migrate to the latest - but not necessarily the greatest - OS. The most recent figures from Statcounter show that many users continue to steer clear of Microsoft's flagship …

  1. navarac Silver badge

    Glad I won't be nagged

    .....on my "non-Windows" OS. Another instance of imposed advert or malware by Microsoft.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    We seem to have no choice but to switch from Microsoft stuff to Linux in our system product deliveries soon despite the incredible organizational inertia and the initially doubled support costs.

    With enough thrust even a pig can fly - and keep flying for years without a boot providing extra thrust - and Windows Server 2016 / Windows 10 systems have done so - somehow, some way - like numerous generations of Microsoft OSes going back to the NT 3.51 days, apparently. The amount of time and money wasted over the years to keep things stable must be incredible, but even the Microsoft "experts" can no longer keep this pile of shit upright... yes, they used to be actual experts able to summon and control Cthulhu with eldritch scripts and GPOs and registry keys only mentioned in an archive.org copy of a post made in 2007 on a long-lost Microsoft blog, but those experts have retired or moved on during the pandemic - and the new generation does not have the needed skills or software archaeology mindset to support this representative sample of the last 25 years of current and obsoleted Microsoft technologies and solutions that were adopted over the years (if I understand, leaning into the domain stuff was a huge mistake as it keeps changing and especially expanding so much). They might possibly have some certificates.

    Of course, with Linux, we would now have *two* problems, with the old systems still needing support and even upgrades for years.

    I really need to get out of here while I still can.

    1. simonlb Silver badge
      WTF?

      "updating its flagship operating system"

      Flagship? I'm confused now as that usually implies there are alternatives from the same vendor. Where can I try out the mediocre OS or even the really, really shit one?

      1. yetanotheraoc Silver badge

        If the navy has an admiral ...

        ... even a navy of one boat has a flagship. When the dinghy brings the admiral ashore, very briefly the dinghy is the flagship.

        1. Anonymous Custard
          Boffin

          Re: If the navy has an admiral ...

          The end of Air Force One also springs to mind, for those who prefer aircraft to boats...

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      " yes, they used to be actual experts able to summon and control Cthulhu with eldritch scripts and GPOs and registry keys only mentioned in an archive.org copy of a post made in 2007 on a long-lost Microsoft blog, but those experts have retired or moved on during the pandemic "

      Nah, we're still around.... but contracting on ££££ day rates ;-)

      AC - obvs.

  3. Tron Silver badge

    Bring back 3.11

    quote: to users who have checked the "Get the latest updates as soon as they're available" option in Windows Update.

    Both of them.

    I submit that uptake will be inversely proportional to Copilot's extension.

    Autopatch. Because everyone wants MS to do stuff to their system automatically, right?

    Eventually they will remove the hundred most hated new features and call it Windows 12.

    That's the only thing left to like about MS - their use of simple numbers for releases. Instead of names like Furtive Frog and Wanking Wallaby. I think the names are the thing I hate most about other OSs.

    1. VicMortimer Silver badge
      Thumb Down

      Re: Bring back 3.11

      Ubuntu has the best OS names. I do wish Wanking Wallaby was a real one.

      And... you don't have to use the names if you don't want. Ubuntu version numbers are MUCH better than MicroSloth's, being just a year and a month.

      And for the record, Windoze 3.x were some of the worst releases ever. The IRQ nonsense alone was enough to make me want to throw those garbage computers through a wall. And the user interface... ugh. Compared to the Mac back then it was astonishing how incredibly bad it was.

      1. h0bbes
        Facepalm

        Re: Bring back 3.11

        I agree. Mac OS prior to System 8 had a very intuitive and polished interface compared to Windows 3.x. But compared to Windows 11, the Windows 3.x interface is way better than the steaming pile of pig manure that we have to put up with.

    2. Gavin Jamie

      Re: Bring back 3.11

      I alway wanted Manic Mynah

      1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

        Re: Bring back 3.11

        But only on Mondays

    3. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Bring back 3.11

      "I think the names are the thing I hate most about other OSs."

      Even more than on OS versions, I hate them about CPU versions.

    4. tekHedd

      Furtive Frog and Wanking Wallaby

      Sounds like a children's book written by a *very* naive author.

      It was a beautiful spring day, and Furtive Frog was out for a hop. He came upon Wanking Wallaby changing his bicycle tyre.

      "Good morning, Wanker!" said Frog. "Do you need a hand? You know you always screw everything up because you are so half-arsed. It's practically your only personality trait."

      "I sure do, Furty!" said Wallaby. "I was in a hurry changing the tyre and now I've punctured the replacement tube! It just makes me so angry I could jump up and down! Oh sorry I didn't mean to scare you, I'm just frustrated."

      "Haha, that's OK. But, you see, jumping is my job. Because I'm a Frog!" said Frog.

      "Haha," said Wallaby. "Haha," said Frog again. And they laughed wryly together for a while out of despair at the sadness of their empty lives, while gazing at the nonfunctional bicycle.

      Just then, Passionate Panda sauntered up, wearing her most colorful spring dress. "Hello, friends! I was just headed to the pub! Would...

      1. martinusher Silver badge

        Re: Furtive Frog and Wanking Wallaby

        There was an article in this morning's Washington Post about the problem of real authors being crowded out by near lookalikes wares that were quickly created using a LLM.

        So be careful what you wish for, it may already be available on Kindle....

        (Those of us of mature age will remember the kid's show "Magic Roundabout" and one Jasper Carrot's telling of a tale from it.... https://youtu.be/fCaeCPpsXV8?si=01YrcgKj46BJdlmf )

        1. tekHedd

          Re: Furtive Frog and Wanking Wallaby

          Well, I tried to get ChatGPT to extend the story, but even the slightest hint of innuendo or fun gets stripped out, and the results are amazingly dull and derivative.

          Not that I'm a great writer, but man I'm better than that.

          1. MachDiamond Silver badge

            Re: Furtive Frog and Wanking Wallaby

            "Well, I tried to get ChatGPT to extend the story, but even the slightest hint of innuendo or fun gets stripped out, and the results are amazingly dull and derivative."

            Try a different one and you may wind up with a tale that's offensively racist (in any direction you like) and says naughty things about your mother.

  4. Ilgaz

    The first thing I noticed was VLC MSI package which was signed was detected as "dangerous". Please note, they signed the package. Normally many GPL licensed software refuses to sign their package as it is expensive and means nothing security wise. I think VideoLan guys made an exception so Windows doesn't alert non technical users.

    I have sent feedback to Ms. At least they seem to have got rid of template monkey spammers.

    Nothing good can come from such a incompetent company. It is completely impossible to know how many VLC installs out there. It is cURL level popular. Unknown software.

  5. VicMortimer Silver badge

    How to Disable Windows 11 Copilot Through Registry File or Group Policy Editor

    Just thought I'd toss that up in case you didn't already know how to block that garbage.

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Thanks for the tip.

      Hope that doesn't get reversed by Redmond !

      1. Zibob Bronze badge

        Waits for patch Tuesday for impact.

  6. Luke Worm

    After eleven - Mint

    A few weeks ago I deleted Windows 11 from my dualboot home PC, and totally deleted the Windows partition.

    Now very happy running only Linux Mint on it.

    1. Youngone Silver badge

      Re: After eleven - Mint

      I've been living entirely with Linux Mint for about a year now. Civ VI runs fine and it's the only game I still play.

      The only thing I do miss is Photoshop but everything else has a Linux equivalent that works just as well (or better) than whatever I was using under Windows.

  7. Mike 137 Silver badge

    "you'll start seeing a new user interface on eligible Windows 10 devices soon"

    Thanks a bundle -- not!

    I'm frequently driven wild by enforced changes I haven't ask for, just as I've got used to the previous load of bull. I can't for the life of me understand why dumping users on a continuous learning curve is considered good practice (unless of course it's just down to the arrogance of the self-professed "innovative" devs and their management). It used to be considered bad business to piss off one's customers, but that seems to have gone by the board quite some time back.

    I just hope my devices aren't 'eligible'.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "you'll start seeing a new user interface on eligible Windows 10 devices soon"

      'Copilot Preview' is already creeping into Edge!

      I rarely use Edge, except for 'trustworthy' sites like banking where you get odd 'errors' if you try to use a locked-down browser, but noticed a 'Copilot Preview' button had appeared when I fired up Edge at the weekend

      (there appears to be an option to turn this off somewhere in the settings, I forget where, although this isn't apparent if you try searching for it using 'help')

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: "you'll start seeing a new user interface on eligible Windows 10 devices soon"

      "I can't for the life of me understand why dumping users on a continuous learning curve is considered good practice "

      It might be a career necessity. If a developer, manager or team doesn't have something like this to show and justify their existence they might be at risk of getting dumped in the next round of reorganisations or other euphemisms.

      Useful stuff such as bug fixes is much less attention grabbing.

      Alternatively it could just be a sign marketing is running the business.

    3. chriskno

      Re: "you'll start seeing a new user interface on eligible Windows 10 devices soon"

      Change is everywhere and rightly so, whether its your new car, your latest visit to the supermarket etc. You should realise that the problem is your (and many on here) irrational dislike of Microsoft. Its not unusual, I have an irrational dislike of Apple, not because the technology is bad, I just dislike their business model so I stay away from it. I have used Microsoft since day 1, it has had some bad stuff, but it has also set worldwide standards that make the world go round. I'm happy to cut them some slack, they are a good 9 out of 10 for me.

      1. vtcodger Silver badge

        Re: "you'll start seeing a new user interface on eligible Windows 10 devices soon"

        I can't say as I have any great enthusiasm for either Microsoft or Apple. And I find it easy enough to avoid both. You might want to try it for a year or three.

        "As for Change is everywhere and rightly so", Why would anyone buy into that?. It's the formula for entering a perpetual Red Queen's Race (ref: Carroll, Lewis: Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There, Chapter 2 https://www.gutenberg.org/files/12/12-h/12-h.htm) -- something that no sane individual should want any part of unless they work in management or marketing and therefore profit from peddling product that would, if sold on its actual merits, sit on the shelf and collect dust.

      2. firu toddo
        Happy

        Re: "you'll start seeing a new user interface on eligible Windows 10 devices soon"

        Not really good comparisons.

        Hate it when supermarkets move shit about for no other reason than to force the poor victims wander around and look for the latest hiding places. And hopefully, while searching, they might buy some shit they never wanted anyway. (yes this is a thing!)

        The car ting is just silly. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/car-balk/ might be an urban leg end, but it does illustrate the point......

        And for the record, I use MacOS, Linux and use/support Widoze. I only support the last one cos it's pretty profitable ;)

      3. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: "you'll start seeing a new user interface on eligible Windows 10 devices soon"

        "I have an irrational dislike of Apple, not because the technology is bad, I just dislike their business model so I stay away from it"

        So you'll appreciate our point when some of us say we also dislike Microsoft's business model.

    4. martinusher Silver badge

      Re: "you'll start seeing a new user interface on eligible Windows 10 devices soon"

      >I can't for the life of me understand why dumping users on a continuous learning curve is considered good practice

      The devs that write this stuff tend to be the sorts that only "the latest" is good enough for them.

      I call them "enthusiasts" -- they tend to put their interests of the customer's and they're always ready to justify whatever they're doing using "security" and "enhanced user experience". Dissenters are ignored as know-nothings, outdated dinosaurs. It's always been like that which is why its essential for management to keep it under control -- if not, you end up with a half finished pile of features that are no use to anyone.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: "you'll start seeing a new user interface on eligible Windows 10 devices soon"

        Don't forget what seems to be the intended insult of "legacy", quite ignoring the fact that those legacy applications are usually the ones that are being used in the actual working part of the business that brings in the money to keep the roof over the heads of the dev teams.

  8. danielfgom

    We only just got Windows 10 settled....

    As an IT Technician/Sysadmin getting everything moved to Windows 10 was a major pain. Especially managing updates for everyone so that drivers wouldn't be broken and production machines stop working. But after so many years it's finally settled and user have only just gotten used to how Windows 10 looks and works, and now you expect us to do it all over again onto 11??!! F* off!! No chance! This sh!t needs to keep doing duty for at least another 5 years before we even entertain the idea of maybe moving to Windows 11....MS are seriously out of touch with how Windows is used in small/medium enterprise....

    Not to mention millions of home users who also can't be bothered to learn something new. so many of them already freaked out when they booted their pc one day and Windows 7 was gone only to be greeted by Windows 10....

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: MS are seriously out of touch with how Windows is used in small/medium enterprise

      No, it is you who are seriously out of touch with how Borkzilla deems you should be running your IT infrastructure.

    2. veti Silver badge

      Re: We only just got Windows 10 settled....

      Windows 7 was released in 2009. Are you seriously saying you can't or won't manage more than one update per decade?

      1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

        Re: We only just got Windows 10 settled....

        Are you seriously twisting an argument when someone has to manage possibly thousands of users into a personal "you can't"?

        No fish for you, rather the big axe to filet you.

      2. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: We only just got Windows 10 settled....

        "Are you seriously saying you can't or won't manage more than one update per decade?"

        You say "update" as if it implies an improvement.

    3. jt_Canuk

      Re: We only just got Windows 10 settled....

      You can't handle more than one OS update per DECADE?

      Wow are you ever asking for it. It's a world where hackers have employed bots & ever more sophisticated techniques to by-pass your antivirus antimalware & firewall defenses, where they routinely invent new ways to exploit flaws in an operating system, and now have added AI to the bots. They'll crawl all over you. You're defending business systems running decade-old software?

      That's beyond irresponsible! You can't be bothered to force your users to keep their systems up to date, are exposing your business to interruption risk, legal & reputational risk of exposing their own & clients' data, because INCONVENIENCE???

      What, you'd have to support users through the change? Or is it because YOU haven't learned to function with the new OS interface? You'd have to give up your fav resource, Clippy?

      Whatever your contract says, if you support IT users in a business of any kind, you have a serious ethical & fiduciary responsibility to ensure they are protected to the best of your ability. And it appears your ability is... lame. If their lawyers aren't as lame & out of date as you, you're exposing yourself to serious legal risk as well. "I couldn't be assed" is not a sound legal defense for willful incompetence in a responsible position.

      Seriously consider whether you belong in this industry.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: We only just got Windows 10 settled....

        "Seriously consider whether you belong in this industry."

        Which industry are you thinking of? The industry the OP is in, whatever that might be, which pays the IT industry to support its operations or the rent-seeking arm of the IT industry which thinks all the other industries exist only to support it?

      2. jospanner

        Re: We only just got Windows 10 settled....

        One day you’ll get a big boy job and realise how ridiculous you sound with this.

      3. ecofeco Silver badge

        Re: We only just got Windows 10 settled....

        I forgot, who created those flaws?

        Just kidding. You're the one who forgot.

    4. navarac Silver badge

      Re: We only just got Windows 10 settled....

      Unfortunately, if you read the EULA, MS is a hyperuser (sudo++++). They can do what the F**k they like. The EULA makes for a good horror story of legal mumbo-jumbo. It should enough to send people running in the opposite direction to MS.

    5. phuzz Silver badge

      Re: We only just got Windows 10 settled....

      Better not move to Ubuntu then. LTS releases only get five years of support.

      1. Peter Gathercole Silver badge

        Re: We only just got Windows 10 settled....

        Well, it used to be that after the 5 years1, you could do an in-place update, and besides the default window background changing, things looked much the same.

        Not so much now, with changes a-plenty between LTS releases. Systemd, Wayland, Mir, Gnome 2/3/4 and many, many other things under the covers.

        But there is now a Ubuntu Pro offering, that will (for a price) provide additional security updates for up to 10 years from the release date of the LTS. Not that I intend to fork out for it.

        1 Ubuntu user since Warty Warthog (4.10) - Daily drive since Dapper Drake LTS (6.06)

    6. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: We only just got Windows 10 settled....

      "MS are seriously out of touch with how Windows is used in small/medium enterprise...."

      The article says how there's new add-ons for shopping. As if everybody is doing nothing with their computer but use it as a giant catalog to buy things from 4-6 mega retailers. Some do, but work has to get done somewhere along the line too. M$ should consider publishing an OS devoid of "helpful" bots, shopping extensions and ever changing UI's. My Windows box (not connected to the internet) is running W7 and does just fine for the very few applications I use it for. I use a MacBookPro for comms, a MacPro cheesegrater for media and linux for everything else (on the cheesegrater). I have another MacPro that's my media box with a Mac Mini for the accounting program. It's a bunch of computers, but I have a load of redundancy which means if any of them go down, I can fix it in short order even if I need a new drive and total reinstall of everything. Several of the computers have come for free and none cost me more than a couple of hundred. It's the plug strips that cost but thanks to estate sales, I have a large box full of them now.

  9. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

    Be less intrusive, less pushy, less blocking work,

    less advertising, less nagging, less rude, less mouseclicks to do the same as before. And where is "SendTo" and "refresh" in the new menu? Ah, in the old "more options" menu. More mouse clicks for no good reason.

    Taskbar which forcibly wastes space unless you use auto-hide - yes, Windows 11 is the first WIndows since Windows 95 where I enjoy Taskbar-Auto-Hide.

    And now copilot? One more feature to remove via

    Get-AppxPackage | Out-GridView -Title "Select AppX Packages to remove" -PassThru | Remove-AppxPackage -AllUsers

    etc etc

    1. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
      Pint

      Re: Be less intrusive, less pushy, less blocking work,

      I've moved it to its traditional home on the left.

    2. David 132 Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Re: Be less intrusive, less pushy, less blocking work,

      One of my personal devices is on Windows 11 and I make a point of unquestioningly swallowing the latest updates for it - not out of any masochism, but just because if I'm going to be commenting on it, I should at least have real experience of it. That's not a dig at anyone here by the way, it's just setting context for the next part of my comment.

      Anyway, two days ago it got the update that brought the Copilot icon to the taskbar.

      In a spirit of open-mindedness, I tried it out with a random example. "Create me a picture of a snowscape in the style of Norman Rockwell".

      A short metaphorical click-whirr, sure-thing-I'm-Eddie-the-shipboard-computer later...

      "I can't create images unless you're signed in with a Microsoft account."

      Welp. So much for that. I've previously here used the phrase "over my dead body" in regard to signing in with a Microsoft account, so... t'ain't happening. Get-AppxPackage Remove-AppxPackage it is, then!

      1. katrinab Silver badge
        Mushroom

        Re: Be less intrusive, less pushy, less blocking work,

        Remember to also do Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage to more completely remove it

        1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

          Re: Be less intrusive, less pushy, less blocking work,

          You mean the companion

          Get-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online | Out-GridView -Title "Select AppX Provisioned Packages to remove" -PassThru | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online -AllUsers

          which is indeed good and frees up disk space but can have some bad side effects since you cannot always correct a "Oups, I need that back, my Windows behaves strange" mistake. And the package may not be available in the online repo from Microsoft to download if you need it back.

          Make a backup before using this is more important than with the other version :D.

    3. ecofeco Silver badge

      Re: Be less intrusive, less pushy, less blocking work,

      Windwows 11 makes Windows 10 look like a wallflower. And Windows 10 was bad enough.

      I spent several months figuring out how to turn off the intrusive carp.

      Windows 10 is the nosy neighbor. Windows 11 is the loud nosy neighbor who throws their trash into your yard and puts spycams in your bathroom.

      1. vtcodger Silver badge

        Re: Be less intrusive, less pushy, less blocking work,

        Is Intrusive Carp an Ubuntu version name? If not, maybe it should be.

        1. Peter Gathercole Silver badge

          Re: Be less intrusive, less pushy, less blocking work,

          Anh. There's no alliteration. Would have to be something like Intrusive Icefish, but we're a long way from I at the moment, having passed it at Impish Indri in 21.10, and the next name being Noble Numbat at 24.04 next month.

  10. anthonyhegedus Silver badge

    Moment?

    What a stupid naming system? Moment 5?! Bollocks to that.

    Perhaps if they starting concentrating on quality rather than change the way things work every few months, people would start to have some respect for them.

    1. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Moment?

      GENERAL: The Moment is installed.

      ANDROGAR: I don't understand. What is the Moment? I've never heard of it.

      GENERAL: The memory eater. The final work of the ancients of Microsoft, a piece of bloatware so powerful, the operating system became sentient. According to legend... it developed a conscience.

      ANDROGAR: And we've never used it?

      GENERAL: Why would you use a tool capable of ultimate mass surveillance when it can stand in judgment of your browser history?

      1. David 132 Silver badge
        Trollface

        Re: Moment?

        CATS: You have no chance to survive make your time. Ha ha ha ha...

    2. abend0c4 Silver badge

      Re: Moment?

      Seems reasonable to me. You install one version of Windows and a moment later there's another one.

      I just need a version that supports my legacy collection of paid-for applications.

      I'd certainly not be buying any new application software based on Windows: its main purpose is to provide a GUI and Microsoft haven't found anything post WinForms they can reliably support across all of their own platforms (and they're even struggling with that). If they want to develop an AI business, fine, but they don't need any more operating systems, they don't have the focus to deliver them. It would even be in their interests to come up with a WINE-like environment for Linux and they would have a lot of developers free to do other things.

  11. h0bbes

    Windows has been transformed from an operating system to an advertising platform. What was once the responsibility of software engineers to maintain is now the purview of Marketing.

    1. ecofeco Silver badge

      It's always goddamn marketing why we can't have nice things, isn't it?

      How the hell were they ever put in charge of anything?

  12. Anonymous Cowerd
    Flame

    Windows 11 is never getting installed

    It doesn't work with my i7-7700.

    Linux next.

    1. Version 1.0 Silver badge

      Re: Windows 11 is never getting installed

      I've recently updated to Windows 11 on a new PC and after working with it for several months I'm going to work on replacing it with Windows 7 Pro because I need to have a system that is easy to use and not a pain in my butt. I've used every version of Windows for years but W11 is so much a problem.

      1. BPontius

        Re: Windows 11 is never getting installed

        Good luck, I bought a copy of Windows 7 pro 64-bit on eBay and installed it on my system (i7-13700K, DDR5 memory). It was pretty useless as there are no compatible drivers for my hardware.

        1. David 132 Silver badge

          Re: Windows 11 is never getting installed

          Yeah, that's the problem with hardware released after Windows 10 or 11; Intel & other vendors really don't want to invest the time to create Windows 7 or even 8 drivers, even if Microsoft weren't actively dissuading them from doing so.

          Without wanting to sound like a fanboy, honestly Linux of some flavour on the bare metal would be a more pragmatic choice than Windows 7 (if only from a security point of view), with Windows 7 as a VM instance on top of it. Virtualized graphics drivers are usually provided by the hypervisor vendor. Alas, if you want to run full-on passthrough graphics for gaming performance, you still have the same problem with driver availability of course, VM or bare-metal.

          1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

            Re: Windows 11 is never getting installed

            "if you want to run full-on passthrough graphics"

            For a brief moment I read that as pissthrough graphics. Alarmingly, it made sense.

            1. David 132 Silver badge

              Re: Windows 11 is never getting installed

              As in, "try to get Windows 7 drivers for a modern gfx card and urine for a bad time"?

        2. MachDiamond Silver badge

          Re: Windows 11 is never getting installed

          "It was pretty useless as there are no compatible drivers for my hardware."

          I've had the problem and just didn't connect any hardware to that box. Once it's up and running, self-contained, you'd use it to do things and use another computer to pass things off to a printer. I've got an ancient G4 Mac whose sole job is to interface with a scanner. The scanner was top of the mark when it was new and is still awesome for scanning slides, film (up to 8x10) and fine drawings so having a computer carved from stone in comparison to a fondleslab of today is fine. I expect I can find another G4 Mac for the cost of a Starbucks coffee most days of the week. I just recalled I have a PC with ISA slots (love to get another) whose reason for living is to host a LinearX LMS (Loudspeaker Measurement System) card. They put out a "lunch box" with ISA slots and a USB (I think) interface, but they're hard to find. The developer passed away and there was nobody around that could take over the company.

      2. jospanner

        Re: Windows 11 is never getting installed

        I get it, Win7 was great, but a lack of security and support is killing it. I fear the only options for now may be to stick with 10, or switch to Linux or Mac

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    MS is like a certain candiate for POTUS

    Gradually losing its marbles and with it the plot.

    With him wanting to become a dictator on day 1... much like MS is now and like MS wants to foist a whole load of unwanted and unneeded 'features' on us.

    When will SatNad be applying for membership of Mar-a-lardo?

    Seriously MS, you are driving users away. Once they go to Linux or MacOS, you have mostly lost them forever.

    Just stop adding all this AI crap. What percentage of users have asked for it? Is it about 5%? If not then why the hell are you FSCKing with it?

    I went to Linux last year and don't regret it.

    At least I'm spared the BSOD that so many users are experiencing with the last patch Tuesday fiasco as reported here

    https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/27/windows_11_installation_problems/?td=readmore

    1. druck Silver badge

      Re: MS is like a certain candiate for POTUS

      You've already found the light, now stop worrying and let Microsoft carry on the way they are. The world will be a better place when the AI hype runs out and they've faded in to insignificance.

  14. Splurg The Barbarian

    can stick your AI where the sun doesn't shine!

    I have no intention of updating to Windows 10, having managed to get Enterprise licence for my home device, so no data being transferred to MS, I'm more than happy with my device.

    Win 11 in my experience is a dreadful experience l, with a poor UI and too much insistence on trying to ram "sharing" and "collaboration" into the OS. Couldn't give a flying deck about it, I just want a conduit between me and the hardware that runs all my hardware as it should.

    Also why do these companies think sticking AI into everything makes folk want their product? I have a brain and can write, my own reports, I like having photos that go slightly wrong as it is a genuine snapshot of live etc. More than happy not to have if forced on me tha knyou very much.

    1. pPPPP

      Re: can stick your AI where the sun doesn't shine!

      Indeed. Why can't it just operate the system?

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: can stick your AI where the sun doesn't shine!

        You have misunderstood the idea of an operating system. An operating system is one that operates you for the convenience, amusement and profit of the vendor.

  15. Alien Doctor 1.1

    I don't need new features...

    I require fewer features and bloat as I only use it for certain games provided by the brilliant GOG.

    1. Anonymous Cowherder

      Re: I don't need new features...

      Came in to the comments to post this. I don't want new features either. I've been in IT for nearly 30 years, OSX, Windows, Linux have all been one step forward two steps back with each progressive update in many cases for my desktop usage. Sure there have been some good things at the enterprise management level but a lot of these have been counteracted by the amount of work we've had to do to get our end user devices functional and secure accessing apps our business needs. Just as we get to a good place some bell end with a daft beard of a product manager foists some nonsense at the OS level that means we're back to painting the Forth bridge again.

      Yes it keeps me in a job but I'm tired, I'm sick and tired. Please Microsoft, design your OS to give us 5-10 years of stability, we've enough challenges with apps or coping with buyouts like VMware to have space to deal with nonsense features you think users want. And Apple, Jesus wept, the cats were fine, since the shift to location named OSes each update has got worse, things just look worse. Granted some security holes have been patched but ugh, slightly more rounded corners and that thing has moved there now has it, sigh.

      I've probably got another 15-20 years of this ahead of me and the change fatigue is giving me the heebeejeebies because I know it is coming. Football Manager realised this and let's you play with the new features where you can specify the length of the toe nails on your defenders but also gives you a classic mode that does what many of us want.

      Please can Skynet hurry up? Or the Matrix, just tell me where I can go to volunteer to be downtrodden by the robots or become a battery, either is preferrable to more "features" that are then dropped from the following release as they brought users no benefits and they can see the usage stats to back that up.

      Unless Windows 21 or MacOS Dagenham makes the tea and gives me 6 solid hours of sleep a night I'm no longer interested

      1. ecofeco Silver badge

        Re: I don't need new features...

        Same here. Tired of the all the enshitificaiton now on a rocket sled.

        It will not end well. I hope I'm retired by then.

      2. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

        Re: I don't need new features...

        MacOS Dagenham

        "We coded it on a Friday"..

  16. LenG

    What are these adverts of which you speak?

    With pi-hole on my DNS and ublock or similar on my browser I virtually never see adverts except when I start amazon without a query.

    As for the interface, Classic Start Menu keeps my system effectively unchanged over Windoze version updates.

    My one regret is that so many apps have gone the way of android using odd meaningless glyphs in random positions. Bring back CUA!!

    I even like titlebars which change colour to highlight the window with focus.

    PS: There is a lot to be said for focus follows mouse, with or without autoraise as you prefer.

  17. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    "Copilot remains a technology to keep an eye on"

    Yes, indeed. Any reincarnation of Clippy needs to be erased, preferably with a flamethrower.

    There is nothing AI from Brokzilla that can benefit anyone but Borkzilla.

    1. ecofeco Silver badge

      Re: "Copilot remains a technology to keep an eye on"

      There is nothing AI from Brokzilla that can benefit anyone but Borkzilla.

      Words to live by and never forget.

  18. depereo

    No thanks.

    Still haven't decided if the living room PC is going to Fedora or Ubuntu from windows 10, but now that our games run perfectly well via proton it's sure as heck not going to some (even worse) ai/spyware nonsense with 11.

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Too many perfectly functional machines being forcibly "eol'd" -- the overhead both financially and environmentally should be a crime in itself.

    Too much AI without enough control - and too much uncontrolled data sharing.

    Linux (and other OSes that don't have this requirement) at least still gives you the control and the choice.

  20. 6th

    Windows 10 was indeed the last Windows I'd buy. Just not how they wanted.

    Windows as a service and Win11 can go kick rocks.

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Company desktop with X-Box - WHY??

    Windows is aimed at American home users.

    Why install so much crap if you claim it's a Corporate Desktop OS?

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Hello. I'm Clippy. I got AI now.

    Would you like to be fucked, shafted or screwed,?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hello. I'm Clippy. I got AI now.

      Is buggered an option? (Asking for a friend)

      1. hedgie Bronze badge

        Re: Hello. I'm Clippy. I got AI now.

        At least that's one I don't have to worry about.

    2. captain veg Silver badge

      Re: Hello. I'm Clippy. I got AI now.

      Rogered, if it's all the same.

      -A.

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  24. Inventor of the Marmite Laser Silver badge

    I tried eBay's new-ish AI content generator eearor

    It's shite

  25. Mostly Irrelevant

    I honestly don't understand why Microsoft thought people would want a AI chatbot in their OS. It makes no sense.

    1. ecofeco Silver badge

      Pump and dump hype.

    2. LenG

      Fixed

      I honestly don't understand why Microsoft thought people would want their OS. It makes no sense.

  26. Ordinary Donkey

    Here's an idea

    how about no unnecessary features whatsoever?

    Things which require windows features to run can request to enable them. If I want to spend three hours bashing my head against the wall trying to get something I never asked for to stop fucking up in the most idiotic way possible then insert joke about taking to $family_member here.

  27. Adair Silver badge

    There are better OSes out there ...

    but Stockholm Syndrome is a thing, especially when money has been paid.

    1. ecofeco Silver badge

      Re: There are better OSes out there ...

      Exactly. And it's even worse than that. Many companies and even users have investment portfolios with MS stock. Ergo...

  28. PeterM42
    Thumb Up

    ".....Windows 11 lacks a killer feature....."???

    Er,... what about Windows Subsystem for Android?

    Even my "non-compliant" Windows PC runs it beautifully.

    Just need the Google Play Store, now.

    1. David 132 Silver badge

      Re: ".....Windows 11 lacks a killer feature....."???

      WSA is being deprecated and going away on March 5th next year.

      (Source)

  29. Boeing 747

    No thanks MS. Free at last.

    I'd been happily running my (now 10 year old) Dell 7737 on Windows 8.1 using Classic Shell until they EOL'd it in Jan 2023. I really didn't fancy Windoze 10, which didn't have long left anyway, and I was so desperate to get off the Microsoft merry-go-round that I decided to try Linux.

    Ubuntu didn't appeal to me, so I struggled along with Debian KDE plasma for a while, but I never really liked it that much and then towards the end of last year I discovered LMDE 6. So, I treated my old Dell to an SSD and some nice memory. Installed LMDE 6, and I've never looked back. Recently I upgraded the Kernel to 6.5 using the Backports repository and now it's rock solid and running smooth and fast like a race-tuned baby's bum wrapped in silk. It does everything I want it to do and it does it simple, clean and quick with no bloat, or fancy nonsense features that I'll never use. I absolutely love it, and Microshite can kiss my proverbial, I'm never going back

    1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: No thanks MS. Free at last.

      @Boeing 747

      Is there a "Dell 7747" that you could upgrade the '737 to?

      1. David 132 Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: No thanks MS. Free at last.

        I'd be really careful about Windows on the 7737.

        1. Boeing 747
          Happy

          Re: No thanks MS. Free at last.

          Yes indeed! I was very careful about Winderz on my Inspiron 7737, I carefully removed it along with the ancient clockwork hard drive.

        2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

          Re: No thanks MS. Free at last.

          Doors would be worse.

  30. DaveHaynie

    Compatibility is Crap

    Microsoft cut off so many PCs, usually for no reason, corporations simply cannot migrate to Windows 11.

    I noticed this first personally, when I found that my 2019 PC based on a 16-core Threadripper was not permitted to use Windows 11. This made no earthly sense. It seemed completely arbitrary. It wasn't a performance issue. It wasn't a security issue.

    So I was not surprised when my shiny new laptop, received last summer from my company's nice IT folks, had Windows 10 installed. We, like most companies, have a long history of computers in use, more than 175 PCs. The company is not going to replace dozens of perfectly good computers, many costing $3,000 or more, just to run a new version of the OS based on fully arbitrary compatibity decisions.

    1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

      Re: Compatibility is Crap

      > I noticed this first personally, when I found that my 2019 PC based on a 16-core Threadripper was not permitted to use Windows 11

      There is something wrong here, please name the exact CPU. Ryzen 2xxx based Threadrippers with 16 core were released 31. August 2018. Therefore Windows 11 must run on that CPU. If not check your BIOS.

      Ryzen 1xxx based Threadripper were released in 31. August 2017, which therefore cannot run Windows 11 (with a few rare exceptions depending on the mask version, check ElReg which exactly).

      So either you have a Threadripper 1950x and have been ripped of if bought in 2019 ooooorrr you have a Threadripper 2950x and never updated the BIOS, 'cause that CPU can run Windows 11 officially.

      1. David 132 Silver badge

        Re: Compatibility is Crap

        Or Windows 11 is blocked because of another factor, perhaps TPM2.0 being disabled in the BIOS, and the CPU is a red herring.

  31. jospanner

    I know it’s a meme that this year is the year of Linux on the desktop, but… people all have different thresholds before going “of for fks sake” and moving to something else. Be that Mint or Mac.

    The more you tighten your grip, the more systems slip through your fingers…

  32. Binraider Silver badge

    Shift the dial? 7 -> Linux/BSD/Otherwise.. :-P

    I understand linux desktop has recently risen to 4% in some surveys. There's a damn good reason for that.

  33. 0laf

    Meh

    There is nothing compelling about W11 at all for the home user.

    It just seems like a reskin with added data theft (over and above W10).

    Like some others here I've a slightly older machine with a decent Ryzen 7 processor (2017) which is working perfecty fine but it won't move to W11 because of some TPM issue on chip or mobo. Really I can't be bothered to fight to make it work.

    The copilot thingy, I don't use it, why would I? It's search results are shit and slow and I don't need it to draft a report about things for me.

    If I'm making effort I'll make Steam work on Linux on the old kit, at least that's free apart from my time

  34. vistisen

    My Intel I7 processor which I bought on the 15th of May 2012 still works fine. With a decent Graphics card, I can play all the games I want to on my 4K screen. I can do all the 3D desgn work and renders I want, all the programmes I use start quickly. But there is no TPM2 support om the motherboard I bought at the same time. I see no reason to buy a new PC just to have my Windows task bar ruined. The ironic thing is that I AM running Windows 11 preview edition, I have tamed it by using the excellent StartAllBack utility So it looks and feels like Windows7 but with the ‘good bits’ of Windows 11 ( I can’t quite put my finger on what these are…)

    I see no need to do a reinstall on Windows 10 only to be nagged all the time to upgrade to Windows 11 again. So I live in a limbo Windows 11 world, at least it means I run no risk of getting so called AI features pushed out to me.

    1. Happy Lemming

      You really shouldn't be running such ancient hardware. Get in the MS spirit, landfill it, and buy some overpriced new system that probably won't accept Windows 12 next year.

      I have noticed that my i7-3770K, on a no-longer-supported Intel motherboard, runs remarkably well with an RX480 video card that's barely seven years old. Of course, it's Windows 10, and it will probably stay that way long past the promised demise of the OS, with some careful firewalling.

      1. Deadly_NZ

        I have machines from win 95 to win 11 But for some reason my FX and Phenoms have a live affair with Win 7 let onto the net once to update all drivers. then network sockets disabled in Bios I have a usb thumb drive internet connection that works on win7 without hunting for drivers and All these are now free to sit on my game network (seperate no internet) and No virus scanners. etc they run fine (better without all the network stuff calling home all the time. and we can still play network games and play all those games gotten in my naughty days 20 years ago.

  35. DeVino
    Stop

    Come, join us, oh except you

    Got three PC's.

    Only one is eligible.

    The others have the wrong sort of i7.

    Shrug.

  36. Deadly_NZ

    Im running the windows 11 in the beta insider channel One of the forst things i dod was to completely stip Edge and by rite fkn BING and that goddam AI what they call copilot popping up everytime you hover over its icon in edge. Personally i wouldn't trust AI and in particular M$ and the alphabet AI to run a dig pound feeding program. So it looks like my next upgrade will be to Win10 and Linux in a dual boot config on my 5600x system Win 11 is more and more changing to some AI run monster. give it Time its already proven to be untrustworthy and even psychopathic at times yes great lets install it on everything fkn Morons.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      The atrocious spelling and incorrect capitalisation tells us all we need to know about users of the insider versions.

      1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

        That one Insider user has a weird language. Does that mean all have? I beg to differ, since the reality is far from it. But you insist on picking an example which fits your prejudice, and apply it to all. Obviously you post as AC. With emphasis on the C in your case. The usual ACs post interesting stories, but cannot name themself or the company they work or worked for. So you are the odd one out.

  37. alt064

    Win 11 won't run on a grunty Dell XPS... wtf?

    Apparently Win 11 can't be installed on my 4 yo Dell XPS i7 / 16GB laptop. Not exactly a weak-kneed Celeron or i3 device... that's just ridiculous.

    I'm not remotely disappointed by not being able to install it (my previous laptop is still happily running Win 7 Pro 16-bit, as I deemed Win 10 an unlikely improvement, given it was an i5 / 4GB machine). But MS are just shooting themselves in the foot with that kind of decision... I'm not going to upgrade this laptop (indeed, I'm about to increase SSD size and recently replaced the battery). It owes me a few more years, yet.

    I doubt I'm alone, so colour me surprised by low interest and take-up of Win 11.

    1. 43300 Silver badge

      Re: Win 11 won't run on a grunty Dell XPS... wtf?

      "Apparently Win 11 can't be installed on my 4 yo Dell XPS i7 / 16GB laptop"

      Which generation CPU is it?

      I'm somewhat surprised that there would be issues with a machine that new. We have mostly Dell equipment, and the newest ones which don't support W11 are now over five years old - and they are business range machines, which tend to lag behind the consumer ranges such as XPS when it comes to rolling out new CPU generations.

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