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Meta wants to build accelerators and SoCs to run in its datacenters – for jobs including machine learning – but appears to be struggling to find folks to design them. The Register has spotted numerous job ads for ASIC engineers with expertise in architecture, design, and testing in Bangalore, India, and Sunnyvale, California. …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    200k a year, in the bay area, for bleeding edge hardware design

    ...and to work for the great satan of social networking

    One, I'm not sure you could even lease a one bedroom in an hours drive of the Meta campus for that.

    Two, why would you work for that little for Meta or Facebook in the first place? If you have the skills why not work for any of the other top 20.

    There aren't a ton of people with prior experience in that field at that level. None of the competent ones need to work that cheap. Cynically I'd say the play is to justify bringing in desperate h1b visa holders on the Elon/Twitter model where you fire everyone that you can't deport as a terror tactic and then take advantage of the fact the labor fines and civil settlements will be a tiny fraction of their profits.

    But perhaps I am too cynical for the gentle eyes and ears of those in the forums here... :-)

    1. adam 40 Silver badge

      Re: 200k a year, in the bay area, for bleeding edge hardware design

      Agreed, $200k/pa is only worth ~£80k here, after you factor in health insurance, long hours, etc etc.

      And they want ASIC designers? They need to be paying double that.

  2. katrinab Silver badge
    Meh

    Wouldn't they have more luck if they tried in for example Cambridge or Sheffield in England?

    There isn't much chip design taking place in India. I'm sure there is something, but not that much compared to some other countries.

    Of course you may well find lots of Indian people in those other countries working in those places that do have lots of chip design.

    1. Korev Silver badge
      Boffin

      Sadly Graphcore appears to be in trouble, maybe they could come to some sort of arrangement with them

      1. katrinab Silver badge
        Pirate

        Or just poach all their staff ...

    2. Justthefacts Silver badge

      Bengaluru

      It’s a small fraction compared to software, but if you put together Google, Qualcomm, Intel, AMD, Samsung, plus outsourcers WiPro, Mirafra…..it’s pretty massive.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      There isn't much chip design taking place in India.

      Yeah. That's just not true at all. Plenty of it going on. Out of a team of ten, three or my team are in Bangalore.

      1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

        I remember reading somewhere that the West has a shortage of chip designers and electronic engineers in general because- for a field that requires a lot of skill and demanding academic qualifications to get into- it pays very poorly compared to the sort of lucrative software development jobs anyone who was good enough for the latter could get into with much less hassle.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          I get paid very handsomely, thanks.

          And so does my team.

          This UK view of ASIC design being poorly-paid and too difficult is why the UK is now lagging behind.

          1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

            > I get paid very handsomely, thanks. And so does my team.

            I'm not disagreeing, but "handsomely" compared to what? It may pay above average, but so it should, given that it's a highly-skilled job. The question is how the pay (in whatever country it is that you live in) compares to other fields open to those with a comparable level of skill.

            > This UK view of ASIC design being poorly-paid and too difficult is why the UK is now lagging behind.

            Only commenting on what I'd heard elsewhere, and I don't recall it coming from someone in the UK.

            If nothing else, anyone in the UK who was serious about getting a high-end, well-paid job would likely want to go elsewhere regardless, since the low value that UK employers generally place on technical skills (and are willing to pay, or not pay, for) extends across most fields of that ilk- hardware or software.

  3. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Struggle

    but appears to be struggling to find folks to design them

    but appears to be struggling to offer wage high enough to get anybody interested.

    FTFY

    same old. If business says they can't find workers, they are just being tightwads.

    1. katrinab Silver badge
      Meh

      Re: Struggle

      Or they are looking for people who don't exist.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Struggle

      Apparently these are "dead end jobs" according to some.

  4. HMcG

    Shurely shome mishtake

    I thought their glorious AI was supposed to be able to do that for you?

    Perhaps they want something better than whatever the average opinion on the internet provides...

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