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Longtime Twitter staffers saved Elon Musk from himself, according to a letter from the US Federal Trade Commission chair. When Twitter was Twitter and not X, several journalists published documents regarding the company's activities before it was acquired by Musk, including the workings of the company's moderation and policy …

  1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Trollface

    "longtime information security employees at Twitter intervened"

    And that's why they were fired.

    1. Dimmer Bronze badge

      Re: "longtime information security employees at Twitter intervened"

      “ which include Twitter's agreement not to lie to consumers”

      The order I found was in 2010:

      https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/cases/2011/03/110311twitterdo.pdf

      It reads Like a SOX requirement except a rider that you will protect CUSTOMERS privacy. Not Twitters internal policies. I would love to see the internal twitter policy that was required by the FTC

  2. Stuart Castle Silver badge

    In theory, I think Elon was probably trying to do what he thought was right. After all, he proudly touts free speech*. The best way to at least appear to support that concept is stop blocking anything.

    The problem is that some of the info Twitter held is private, and needs to remain so. For legal reasons, and in some cases, safety. We don't (and can't) have totally free speech. We have free speech with restrictions. That applies in the UK, and it applies in the US as well (try posting something classified in America, and see how far the 1st amendment gets you).

    *I know he touts it, but his own actions suggest he doesn't really believe in it because although he says he will allow people to post even if he disagrees with them (a laudable aim and something I try and do when in a moderating role), a surprising number of people he doesn't agree with have been banned from X.

    1. JoeCool Bronze badge

      I don't think so

      "In theory, I think Elon was probably trying to do what he thought was right."

      No Stuart. Musk has some passing familiarity with commercial contracts and negotiations between companies, that must be kept secret to safe guard whatever proposed deal or vendor / supplier relationship.

      He is also certainly aware of the concept of "regulatory compliance" as evidenced by his numerous court cases in that area.

      He did what he thought would generate headlines.

    2. Michael Strorm Silver badge

      FTFY

      > an unsurprising number of people he doesn't agree with have been banned from X

      1. t245t Silver badge
        Big Brother

        Re: FTFY

        >> an unsurprising number of people he doesn't agree with have been banned from X

        Who .. name names ...

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: FTFY

          All the people that were banned were radical lefties who shilled for the establishment and were themselves, major sources of mis or disinformation (whatever they refer to it as now).

          1. Casca Silver badge

            Re: FTFY

            LMAO, sure

          2. Michael Strorm Silver badge

            "Lefties"? Too old school, maaan...

            Pretty sure that "leftists" is now the conservative/hard-right's preferred bogeyman term for anyone to the left of Genghis Khan and Ayn Rand.

            Of course, let's remember that Musk is a self-proclaimed "Free speech absolutist", and it's great to see him uphold that principle.... except when it comes to those he disagrees with, apparently.

          3. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: FTFY

            Oh no, not that well-known-to-be-leftist boogeyman - "The Establishment" (TM).

            You utter clown.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: FTFY

              Your mistake lies in assuming that the Rabid Right is interested in even pretending that they're consistent, making sense or not contradicting themselves any more than they care about telling the truth.

              They're not- that much has been obvious for a long time. The only question is whether they're doing so deliberately as a tactic- it's pretty effective when you're arguing against people who care about that sort of thing and get bogged pointing it out while you ignore it and smugly move on to the next (contradictory) accusation or lie- or whether they'll tell themselves and others whatever they want to hear or believe at the moment.

              The answer is, I suspect, "why not both?"

              It does all stink very much of the influence of Russia and Russian-driven-propaganda which isn't much interested in the tedious overheads of truth and consistency, because it doesn't need to be.

              Quite the opposite- all that matters is that discord is sown and that Western society is undermined and dragged down to Russia's squalid level- and having people argue about obvious lies is just another way to achieve that.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: FTFY

          > Who .. name names ...

          Norman Wisdom, Johnny, Joey, Dee Dee

    3. aerogems Silver badge
      FAIL

      There was an excellent Britcom in the 90s called Brittas Empire. If you haven't seen it, you should absolutely try to find a way to do so, but it's basically about a well-meaning manager of a leisure center (public gym/rec center) who always ends up making things worse. That describes Xitler, minus the well-meaning part. He's like the proverbial bull in a China shop. He never really stops to think anything through, he just acts purely on impulse. Which is why Telsa and SpaceX have people whose whole job is to babysit him and keep him as far away from the actual day-to-day as possible.

      There was a hilarious story some former SpaceX employee told. Xitler's SpaceX secretary sends out some kind of message about a surprise birthday party. Of course this is done via an inbox Xitler shares with the person, so either he was directing his own "surprise" party or he doesn't even bother checking his SpaceX email. Given he's created at least two Xitter accounts to fluff his own ego, my money would be on the former. It might well be the first conspiracy theory Alex Jones was ever right about, when he started wondering if it was Xitler commenting under a fake name during some Xitter Spaces thing about how people in government are really lizard people or something. And incidentally, listening to a conversation about government officials being lizard people is apparently more important than running the multiple business interests Xitler is involved in, yet he seems to think that he is owed one of the most generous compensation packages in the corporate world at Tesla, and is all butt-hurt that the judge in Delaware blocked it.

      1. Atomic Duetto

        For sure he’s a dick/ or special even

        But why are you equating him with Hitler by calling him Xitler?

        Seems a stretch, and also a bit disrespectful to those who suffered or were systematically killed.

        Just call him Elon, we all know who the fuck he is.

        1. gandalfcn Silver badge

          Re: For sure he’s a dick/ or special even

          Why? Simple, he's a fascist.

          1. Atomic Duetto

            Re: For sure he’s a dick/ or special even

            He may be many things, but he’s not fucking Hitler. By equating them you are diminishing the evil that Hitler and the Nazis brought on the world. Grow the fuck up and get some perspective.

            1. Jason Bloomberg Silver badge
              Facepalm

              Re: For sure he’s a dick/ or special even

              By equating them you are diminishing the evil that Hitler and the Nazis brought on the world

              Bollocks.

              That's not how perceived reputation works.

      2. Bebu Silver badge
        Windows

        Brittas Empire

        《There was an excellent Britcom in the 90s called Brittas Empire.》

        Arnold Rimmer's retirement job. :)

        Excellent series.

        In this case more like halfarse empire.

        I imagine a fool winning some mega-lottery and buying a Nimitz class carrier without thinking what he actually was going do with it, or indeed be allowed to do with it, except in Musk's case it would be a Ford class vessel.

    4. Groo The Wanderer Silver badge

      Yeah, right. Elon does what Elon does because he doesn't give a rat's patoot what the government or anybody says. He thinks he's "untouchable" because he's rich, much like the delusional Drumpf.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Fine him anyway

    But not X/Twitter, just him. He did, after all, order a direct, willful violation of the FTC order. So it's an intentional attempt to violate the law, which is prosecutable, even if his employees were too smart to obey him.

  4. aerogems Silver badge

    Even Better

    Xitler has since turned on the one "journalist" who was basically all-in on the whole "Twitter Files" thing, after even they basically concluded there was a whole lot of nothing to be found in there.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Retrospective self serving establishment spin

    The Twitter Files were evidence that the FBI and others had unfettered access into peoples private messages and could suppress stories. Such as the Hunter Biden Laptop Story.

    How Twitter suppressed the Hunter Biden laptop story

    Latest Twitter Files shows CIA, FBI have spent years meddling in content moderation

    Twitter Files Part 6 reveals FBI's ties to tech giant: 'As if it were a subsidiary'

    1. Orv Silver badge

      Re: Retrospective self serving establishment spin

      Your claims would have carried more weight if you'd made them a couple weeks ago, before we found out the FBI informant most interested in pushing the Hunter Biden story was a Russian agent.

      1. aerogems Silver badge

        Re: Retrospective self serving establishment spin

        When have you ever known people like that to ever let silly things like facts get in the way?

    2. aerogems Silver badge
      Windows

      Re: Retrospective self serving establishment spin

      Hate to make an ad hominem, but an AC posting links to a bunch of right-wing sites more interested in pushing propaganda than factual news... Russia's efforts at electron interference are getting considerably less sophisticated. Maybe they can't afford high quality trolls after all those sanctions?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        1. aerogems Silver badge

          Re: Retrospective self serving establishment spin

          конечно товарищ, что ни говори

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Retrospective self serving establishment spin

            Никогда не откажусь от тебя, никогда не подведу, никогда не буду бегать и доводить себя до убийства намеренно-прозрачным способом по приказу Владимира Путина.

            1. aerogems Silver badge

              Re: Retrospective self serving establishment spin

              Никогда тебя не брошу

              Никогда не подведу тебя

              Никогда не буду бегать и покидать тебя

              Никогда не заставлю тебя плакать

              Никогда не попрощаюсь

              Никогда не буду солгать и причинить тебе боль

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      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Retrospective self serving establishment spin

        So, we should only believe news from left-wing sites? The Guardian is the ultimate source of truth, and they don't push any propaganda?

        The thing to bear in mind here is the Hunter laptop story was true. It might well have swung the election had it not been suppressed or ignored by almost all the media. Social media sites all suppressed it. It was a BIG public interest story. The Bidens have got their fingers into all kinds of shady deals, including El Presidento.

        Of course "The Russians" would like to draw attention to all the illegal interference by the FBI, because it makes the west look bad. We all know that Russia is way way more corrupt, but it helps them to be able to say "Look, those bastards are all at it too!".

        Isn't it possible that yes, it helps Russia... and also yes, the FBI and the Bidens are also up to illegal stuff which is in the public interest?

        Should we just ignore this because it helps Russia? Because we're all good patriots, we should turn a blind eye? Should we just let them get up to whatever the hell they like, because we all hate Trump so much? Perhaps social media sites should damp down anything from The Spectator or The New York Post, and amplify anything from The New York Times or The Guardian? Can you see where that leads?

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        electron interference?

        Are we back to using CRTs, then?

        1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

          Re: electron interference?

          I'm glad they're getting less sophisticated. Messing about with electrons is dangerous.

    3. gandalfcn Silver badge

      Re: Retrospective self serving establishment spin

      Don't be daft. That is what Lying Leon claims

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    He’s not very good at free speech

    Just talking crap without evidence may be free, but it’s not at all interesting.

  7. sarusa Silver badge
    Devil

    This is the case at every(?) company he owns

    There are people at SpaceX and Tesla who are part of secret teams dedicated just to keeping Elmo from doing too much damage by trying to manage because he's a complete dumbass. The only thing positive thing he has is money to fund cool stuff, which is great, but the more you let him actually make decisions, the more you get Twitter or the Cybertruck.

    He's been too busy with effing up other things to do much damage to SpaceX recently, and because of that they've been doing amazingly well.

    So yeah, anyhow, any sane, non-spiteful decisions are coming from someone who's not Elmo.

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