I would have thought most telco sites are only going to have a couple of hours of battery to tide them over in case the diesel gen dies
Nokia brainwave turns cell towers into cash cows with backup batteries
Nokia is tempting mobile network operators with a tool that it thinks will help them monetize the backup battery storage at their cell base station sites. The telecoms infrastructure giant says the tool can switch cell base stations from grid power to backup batteries at times of peak demand to lower energy costs. …
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Thursday 22nd February 2024 21:20 GMT DS999
These are cell towers. They won't have diesel generators as a battery would be sufficient to power them for the required time. But if they could make money this way they could slot in a bigger battery than they'd otherwise use, and that excess (and then some) would be paid for by selling that extra power at premium rates to the utility during peak alerts (while keeping enough power in reserve to meet whatever runtime target they have)
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Friday 23rd February 2024 08:18 GMT Bilby
Re: Sods Law
Basic arithmetic tells you that as the system tends towards load shedding (ie power cuts), the spot price rises, making it very desirable to the beancounters to run the batteries down.
When it happens, there will be surprised faces all around - but there really shouldn't be, as it's entirely predictable.
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Thursday 22nd February 2024 19:11 GMT pdh
Doesn't sound right
For this to work, the battery capacity has to be larger than what the tower really needs for backup purposes, so the operator can afford to sell excess power back to the grid or to run from the batteries down when power is expensive. If I was the tower operator, I might be wondering why I was sold such an oversized battery in the first place. I might prefer to pay less for a smaller battery that can simply act as a traditional backup.
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Thursday 22nd February 2024 19:40 GMT Gene Cash
Re: Doesn't sound right
Not really. I have a ton of capacity in the UPS on my PC here that just about never gets used, but when I need it, then I usually need most of it.
Also, it does a battery good to discharge it occasionally and not be continuously charging it. That's what kills most folk's laptop batteries.
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Friday 23rd February 2024 02:22 GMT rcxb
Re: Doesn't sound right
it does a battery good to discharge it occasionally
Not true of most battery chemistries.
and not be continuously charging it.
You can avoid overcharging batteries, without resorting to discharging them. It's common for smaller UPSes to be that stupid and just constantly float charge, but any large battery installations will have more intelligent charging circuitry.
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Thursday 22nd February 2024 22:25 GMT cyberdemon
Re: Doesn't sound right
Possibly this system doesn't export energy per se, but any powerful (in terms of MW, not MWh) backup battery -could- play the Balancing Mechanism / Capacity Market by disconnecting and dropping to UPS/diesel whenever paid to do so by the grid operator.
But they don't have to actually do anything in order to get paid, they just have to have a large enough installation that National Grid et al will pay them annually for the privelege of being able to tell them to disconnect X megawatts, thus letting themselves tell the government and the people that they are improving grid resilience etc.
It could well be that they are inflating the figures by claiming to be able to disconnect a megawatt or so, even though the actual equipment uses a variable amount of power and may only be using a few kilowatts at any given time ... That particular market doesn't seem to care about the actual energy saved, but is just an auction for people to sell "capacity" which they never intend to use.
The trouble with the "smart grid" though IMO, is that it makes cyber warfare all the more possible.
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Thursday 22nd February 2024 19:38 GMT Tron
This makes some sense, I guess.
You are more likely to need your battery fully charged if something bad is in the offing - gales predicted, Russians massing by the border or Windows is going to update. Normal glitches (replacement fuse, vandalism) should be faster fixes. So they are charging up their battery when power is cheap and releasing some of it when power is expensive, assuming all is quiet. It's not as likely to go as wrong as some really crazy ideas like implementing GAI on mainstream operating systems, some of which run important processes, or connecting your basic utilities to the public internet and opening them up to ransomware attacks. You know, the really daft stuff you'd have to be a complete idiot to do.
Probably best avoided in countries like Japan though, as quakes are unlikely to be predictable any time soon. In Japan, you keep your batteries charged and your emergency bag packed.
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Thursday 22nd February 2024 20:20 GMT Andy Non
Re: This makes some sense, I guess.
"Japan".
If memory serves, Fukushima had backup diesel generators to keep the cooling system going in the event of mains failure, however, the tsunami also knocked out the generators leaving only the battery backups, which only had one hour's worth of power stored in them. One hour later... the rest is history. Must be a lesson or two there somewhere.
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Thursday 22nd February 2024 22:22 GMT david 12
Peak power price
We recently had wholesale power prices peaking at 50 times normal levels due to a system failure, which continue with a sustained blackout due to hard limits on power availability.
At that price, it makes sense to switch to battery power, even for those stations that aren't blacked out. And it frees up power to go to people who don't have battery backups.
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Thursday 22nd February 2024 23:35 GMT John Brown (no body)
Dear Nokia...
...How about you take this a step further and offer your own backup infrastructure out for rent to 3rd parties? You know, all those servers and hard disks just sitting there costing money in depreciation and maintenance that you don't actually need 100% of the time? I'm sure you could take a quick backup just in time before a fire or other disaster hits. After all, when did you last need to restore from backup? Once or less per year? Think how much extra profit you could make by just backing up once per year and letting other people use the space the rest of the time.
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Friday 23rd February 2024 09:06 GMT Strangelove
In the UK at least very few of the urban area mobile phone base stations have any battery at all - so if the are substation transformer fails, you cannot use your mobile to call it in. Once we have completed the transition to fibre based telephones, you probably won't be able to use a land line to call it in either, as the new IP based systems have no requirement for battery backup, while the old copper system where contractually obliged to.,
However, if regulatory changes ever require back-up batteries I can see this being done to help fund it.
Mike
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Saturday 24th February 2024 21:04 GMT M.V. Lipvig
What a neat idea!
I can see it now, right about the time the backup batteries reach the bottom, the commercial power fails and now there's not enough juice left to turn on the lights, much less get a generator onsite. Telecom outages over a certain magnitude are also FCC reportable, and the FCC will be very happy to fine any telecom who caused an areawide outage by trying to save a buck on power costs by running the emergency backup system dry. One FCC fine can wipe out all the savings that might have been had.
Worse than that, battery life is measured in both time and discharge cycles. Are they going to save more in electricity than it will cost to replace the batteries several years sooner?