back to article Election security threats in 2024 range from AI to … anthrax?

In time for the long Presidents' Day weekend in the US there have been multiple warnings about what will undoubtedly be a challenging and potentially dangerous year for voting processes and government workers. State and county officials have been urged to use paper ballots wherever possible over electronic ones, and ensure all …

  1. Korev Silver badge
    Joke

    Election security threats in 2024 range from AI to … anthrax?

    Why are Metallica and Slayer OK?

    1. Scott 26

      Megadeth left off the list as they are completely benign these days

      1. jake Silver badge

        To be fair, Anthrax, Metallica and Slayer aren't exactly knocking then dead anymore, either.

        If, indeed, they ever were ...

        1. HuBo
          Alert

          On the other hand, just 2mg of fentanyl ...

  2. Groo The Wanderer Silver badge

    I think the biggest threat to US elections is not China or Russia or Iran or any other nation-state, but the deep divisions and closed-minded nature of what seems to be half the American population (25% for the Republicans, 25% for the Democrats, and 50% not caring as long as the country doesn't turn into a cesspool.)

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      "as long as the country doesn't turn into a cesspool"

      Too late for that by several decades! The DC uniparty has worked hard to line their own pockets at the expense of the US taxpayer for a very long time.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Most correct comment here.

        1. captain veg Silver badge

          Anonymous Coward approves another Anonymous Coward in promoting completely baseless alt-right conspiracy bollocks.

          Can't imagine where this crap might come from.

          -A.

          1. captain veg Silver badge

            Re: Can't imagine where this crap might come from.

            Anonymous Coward downvotes non-Anonymous non-Coward criticizing Anonymous Coward approving another Anonymous Coward in promoting completely baseless alt-right conspiracy bollocks.

            Can't imagine where this crap might come from.

            -A.

            1. jake Silver badge

              Re: Can't imagine where this crap might come from.

              "Uniparty" is hardly alt-right ... It describes the combined cesspool that is the combination of the current business-as-usual Dems+Reps.

              Please feel free to supply your own essentially two-plus-a-bit-party shithole of power as you see fit.

              1. Lurko

                Re: Can't imagine where this crap might come from.

                Please feel free to supply your own essentially two-plus-a-bit-party shithole of power as you see fit.

                At a guess, Captain Veg probably hails from the UK as I do, and we've endured a uniparty cesspool for thee last quarter century or more that (as with the US) has followed the same policies despite changes of government, and despite the same policies has deepened division and polarisation amongst voters.

                Or maybe Cap'n Veg isn't from either, and can explain what paragon of democracy, social and political cohesion they are from?

                1. captain veg Silver badge

                  Re: Can't imagine where this crap might come from.

                  > Captain Veg probably hails from the UK as I do

                  captain veg was born in London and has lived, just about, most of his life in England.

                  It's no secret that I now live in France and spend quite a lot of time in Andorra and Spain.

                  Living in UK and, latterly, observing it from without, I've never had the slightest impression of anything which might be described as "a uniparty cesspool". On the contrary, I've often despaired of the doctrinaire determination of incoming governments to reverse uncritically the policies of their immediate forebears.

                  I make an exception of the current government. There is nothing there which doesn't need reversing with extreme prejudice.

                  -A.

                  1. Anonymous Coward
                    Anonymous Coward

                    Re: Can't imagine where this crap might come from.

                    "I've often despaired of the doctrinaire determination of incoming governments to reverse uncritically the policies of their immediate forebears."

                    You've never suspected that this has been a coordinated plan? It is how they keep a revolving door going and saves time and effort campaigning on actual issues.

              2. captain veg Silver badge

                Re: Can't imagine where this crap might come from.

                Well, I only see Dems+Rep from afar, but I can't see how Obama and Trump were in any way alike.

                Business as usual is a given, since we live in a capitalist economy. Feel free to try to convince electors otherwise.

                -A.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: Can't imagine where this crap might come from.

                  "can't see how Obama and Trump were in any way alike"

                  Well, one was incredibly weak as a president and the other was orange.

                  Obama promised the earth in 2008 and failed at every turn. The first thing he was going to do after winning was codify roe-v-wade and then the first actual thing he did was to kick this down the road. He then did his best to increase drug and healthcare profits with the ACA and put as many small healthcare providers out of business as possible.

          2. Jellied Eel Silver badge

            Can't imagine where this crap might come from.

            The news usually. Here's a couple of examples of election interference from the far left in the UK-

            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-68335547

            EU proposes sanctions against Russia in Navalny's name

            Yulia Navalnaya to join EU council meeting

            'They lie and buy time' - Navalny spokeswoman

            And one from wiki-

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny#Criminal_cases

            In April 2013, Loeb & Loeb LLP[g] issued "An Analysis of the Russian Federation's prosecutions of Alexei Navalny", a paper detailing Investigative Committee accusations. The paper concludes that "the Kremlin has reverted to misuse of the Russian legal system to harass, isolate and attempt to silence political opponents"

            No Democrat-ic nation would permit that sort of thing of course. No NY DA would use an obscure bit of consumer protection law to prosecute an ex-President for 'fraud', where no consumers were harmed and the victims made money. Then of course there's Georgia, where cash is king and Fanni's busily gaslighting.

            It's rather surreal when you can replace Navalany with Trump in most cases wrt 'political persecution', except the people who were promoting Alexei with their foreign election interference are the same ones persecuting Trump to try and stop him running for election.

            1. Vincent van Gopher
              Mushroom

              To quote Trump - "Uh-oh."

            2. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Don't forget all the Jan 6th prisoners being held for misdemeanour trespass. If it had been a BLM riot they would have been released without bail, all charges dropped and then given compensation for 'wrongful arrest' even if they had been filmed throwing petrol bombs at police and setting light to government buildings.

              1. captain veg Silver badge

                Fuck me. You really think that insurrection is comparable to demonstrating in favour of human rights?

                You are some sick puppy.

                -A.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  You think BLM were demonstrating for human rights?? You really need to get out of your echo chamber! All the BLM riots have managed to achieve is making life even worse in majority black neighbourhoods. Parts of LA never recovered from the race riots.

                  If you go by the dictionary definition of insurrection the BLM riots fit quite nicely. Funded and encouraged by the establishment and the result is the poor are poorer and the rich are a LOT richer.

            3. captain veg Silver badge

              Good grief.

              Do you have access to a dark room to lie down in?

              -A.

    2. jake Silver badge

      The biggest problems with the electorate in all Western countries is widespread ignorance and apathy.

      This has been a long-term goal for all political parties since the 1960s or thereabouts.

      Why do you think the first place all governments make cuts is in education?

      If you can keep the populous uncaring and stupid, you control that populous.

      1. captain veg Silver badge

        Re: the first place all governments make cuts is in education

        Well, they don't "all" do that, do they?

        I get your point, which I imagine is mostly pointing at the Republican/Conservative axis of government, but there have been other varieties.

        https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01078/

        -A.

        1. jake Silver badge

          Re: the first place all governments make cuts is in education

          "Well, they don't "all" do that, do they?"

          Don't they?

          "I get your point, which I imagine is mostly pointing at the Republican/Conservative axis of government, but there have been other varieties."

          From what I can see, they all do it. Unless you have specific examples that don't?

          Teachers having to spend their own money to get paper and pencils into classrooms, and then not get refunded by the fucktards in power is way, way beyond evil REGARDLESS of political affiliation.

          Sometimes it's not a matter of one "side" being right, and the other being wrong ... it's a matter of both being worse than wrong.

          1. Dimmer Bronze badge

            Re: the first place all governments make cuts is in education

            As dealing with the first hand, I agree with what Jake says. My experience, teachers don’t get paid back for supplying materials.

            And yes, they cut budgets and or require them to fill mandates which results is shifting resources away from teaching.

            This is by design because the next thing is we have to raise your taxes to pay for teachers, police, and emergency services and then they either never send the money to the schools or just rob it later.

            The lottery is a good example. We are still waiting to see the money sent to the school.

          2. captain veg Silver badge

            Re: the first place all governments make cuts is in education

            I gave a specific example.

            The HoC library page which I linked to clearly shows that spending on education goes up in times of Labour government and down when the Conservatives are in charge.

            I could be here all day listing all the ways that Labour and Conservative governments have differed in the UK during my lifetime. But no, much easier to buy into the alt-right trope that "they're all the same" and so it's not worth voting. It's just voter suppression by other means.

            -A.

      2. HuBo
        Gimp

        "ignorance and apathy"

        Reminds me of the Sub-Hum-Ans, two songs at least: "Apathy", and "British Disease" (quite cool for punk, lotsa bass).

      3. Casca Silver badge

        Ah yes, All western countries. lmao!

  3. aerogems Silver badge
    Coat

    This set of election security threats were brought to you by the Letter A.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Election security risk No 1

    Code Orange.

  5. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

    The real threat is US citizens' stupidity.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Yeah, they believe what the paid for people in DC tell them :)

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Election security threats in 2024 range from AI to … Absentee ballot fraud:

    Judge orders new election after video shows possible ballot stuffing

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mDdv9dyyow

    Bridgeport video surveillance of absentee ballot boxes "Highlights"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV4OrKyDcsY

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Fentanyl can't absorbed through intact skin except through a patch, and then only over many hours. An envelope filled with fentanyl powder won't have "lethal powers of greatest concern" unless you swallow the contents. Ricin - although *extremely* toxic - is also unlikely to have "lethal powers" if touched as a powder through intact skin. Anthrax is a greater threat in that form.

    1. Lurko

      I suspect that the biggest threat to election security is disruption caused by envelopes of baking power, yeast, or other innocuous but initially unidentifiable powders. Whether that's also a suitable cover for more traditional forms of election fraud I wouldn't know.

      Having said that, I have to ask why the worry? US voters have a choice of two creepy geriatrics, neither of whom has a firm grasp of reality, neither of whom can be trusted with official secrets, neither of whom garners respect from the rest of the world. The only real choice US voters appear to have is between bullying misogyny and outright senility.

      Unfortunately this trend of entrenched political parties offering up severely lacklustre leaders seems to be a worldwide trend.

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        The only real choice US voters appear to have is between bullying misogyny and outright senility.

        There was a famous trial in the US who's name escapes me (I am not Joe) but involved a chimp. Perhaps this is the solution for both the US and UK? Screw all this red vs blue stuff, we vote for the chimp. Or maybe a giant panda. Those seem calm, placid and less likely to mess things up like our current crop of politicians.

        1. 42656e4d203239 Silver badge
          Happy

          >>There was a famous trial in the US who's name escapes me (I am not Joe) but involved a chimp

          There was a chimp tried for being a French spy in Hartlepool a few years ago...

  8. Dimmer Bronze badge

    Here is a theory

    The Dems will wait till a couple of months before the election and abandon Biden leaving the slot open. The opposition won’t have enough time to dig up enough dirt on the new candidate and He/She/other will win on the “not Trump”.

    Ok, you guys post your theory and please make it funny.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Here is a theory

      “Make it funny”

      OK

      There was a time when people thought Trump would make a great President.

      Funny?

      Sad?

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