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NASA says its latest take on solar sail technology is ready for proposals for it to be flown on science missions. The announcement comes after a quarter of the sail was unfurled, demonstrating that the deployment technology works as expected. The system is now at Technology Readiness Level (TRL) 6, meaning it is an option for …

  1. Draco
    Headmaster

    Could be phrased clearer ...

    Not that the NASA announcement is any clearer, but:The announcement comes after a quarter of the sail was unfurled, demonstrating that the deployment technology works as expected. would be better phrased as The announcement comes after a a successful ground test in which one quarter of the solar sail was successfully unfurled, demonstrating that the deployment technology works as expected.

  2. John70

    The next demonstration should be deployment in space with a test craft and see how far/fast it travels.

    Something like a Bajoran lightship. And if it hits tachyon emissions and travels at warp speed, even better.

  3. Atomic Duetto

    I think we’re getting ahead of ourselves, NASA need to turn off the Enya CD and sit down and consultant with some Cetaceans before they start throwing sharks and lasers into fricken orbit.

  4. Eclectic Man Silver badge

    Sail or parachute?

    I was wondering whether a solar sail could be used as a sort of parachute to enable a probe to 'hover' above a solar pole and provide observations continuously of parts of the sun we have great difficulty observing. The parachute being blown by the solar wind to counteract the gravitational attraction. Probably only science fiction at the moment.

    1. Vulch

      Re: Sail or parachute?

      It can indeed. There have been outline programmes based on that sort of thing. You can also do it using Earth as the gravitational anchor and have a satellite hover almost over the poles. You can't quite get it over the north or south pole as the sail has to be tilted but it has been investigated for long term observations of the Arctic and Antarctic.

    2. AlgernonFlowers4

      Do Electric Sheep Dream of Androids?

      In order to reduce the risk of the sun probe melting, wouldn't it be better to send it at night? Do Light Sails work in the dark?

      1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

        Re: Do Electric Sheep Dream of Androids?

        Do Light Sails work in the dark?

        Don't be silly, you'd need a Dark Sail.

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
          Pirate

          Re: Do Electric Sheep Dream of Androids?

          or Black Sails. Arrrrrrrr!

  5. StrangerHereMyself Silver badge

    Nuclear

    I personally think nuclear propulsion would be much more suitable for missions (especially manned ones) in the Solar System. Solar sails are only suitable for long duration missions which aren't time sensitive.

    Although the tech may now be mature, I think we should de-emphasize it and focus on nuclear propulsion.

    For interstellar travel I foresee a reincarnation of nuclear pulse propulsion eventually cropping up. Unless we harness physics completely and are able to generate wormholes on the fly I see nuclear pulse propulsion as the only viable option.

    1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

      Re: Nuclear

      I personally think nuclear propulsion would be much more suitable for missions (especially manned ones) in the Solar System. Solar sails are only suitable for long duration missions which aren't time sensitive.

      For most missions the target will still be there in 10 or 100 or a million years. Apart from Pluto crossing the line where its atmosphere condenses/sublimes and the obvious "oh shit, it's going to hit us, better move it" events I can't think of stuff that's seriously time sensitive. So long as some results come back within a researcher's lifetime so there's motivation, a few extra years don't really matter.

    2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: Nuclear

      StrangerHereMyself,

      Interstellar travel isn't happening for a very long time, short of some kind of breakthrough in fundamental physics.

      At the moment it's still a struggle to get to the edge of our own solar system. Let alone the vast distances to get to another. Realistically we're going to need to be a lot more mobile within our own system before we can think about exploring others. So it's a problem that can be put off for now. So the question is, are light sails useful now? Nuclear material is quite expensive and also even RTGs are quite heavy - let alone a full reactor. And if you're talking nuclear pulse propulsion you're going for a whole new level of heavy - and the multiple small nuclear bombs are even more expensive.

      Whereas light sails and solar power give an interesting, and relatively cheap (and light weight), way to explore the inner solar system with small probes. I wonder if we can get the sail made of solar panels embedded in cloth - or whether that makes it too heavy?

      Now that it's getting cheaper to get to orbit - the economics of space exploration are changing. When launch costs were huge, it made sense to build one large, super-expensive spacecraft with multiple fail-safes. As lauch costs fall, it becomes viable to build lots of small, cheap, probes and launch several at the same time. You get less science from each, but you can make them cover a much wider area, so get much more general data. Sometimes you might find something so interesting that it warrants a single expensive probe to go and study just it, with as many sensors as you can cram in. But someiimesi multiple data-sets from many different places are going to help you to build a better picture.

      Also if you mass produce lots of small probes, with maybe a few interchangeable instruments, your costs drop even further.

      When it comes to sending our first probe to another solar system, maybe a light sail and big laser on some convenient asteroid might be a better bet. Since you can keep re-using that laser to send follow-up probes, or probes to other solar systems.

      But at the moment we don't have the physics required for a warp drive or the materials / fuel for an intra-solar system drive.

      Quick Google says that Project Orion required 800 small nuclear bombs to get to orbit. Another quick one gives the US 2kt nuclear artillery shells as costing about $4m a pop in late 1970s dollars. So using an online inflation calculator that's an average of 3.63% inflation per year since 1976 - so about $23m a pop. 800 x $10m (for mass production savings) = $8bn in fuel. Musk says a Falcon 9 uses about $300k fuel to get to orbit - although that's only carrying 23t payload - and Orion could be a couple of hundred, depending on spacecraft size. But that's still several orders of magnitude more expensive to fuel.

  6. TimMaher Silver badge
    Alien

    Next up….

    NASA announce their first spindizzy drive.

    1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

      Re: Next up….

      NASA announce their first spindizzy drive.

      And then people near where Elon Musk is living feel the ground shaking.

  7. Edward Ashford

    Heliopause

    Do they work past the heliopause? Maybe need a furling mechanism too.

    I would have called out Sunjammer by Arthur C Clark. Maybe it will happen in my lifetime, but likely with bots rather than humans.

    1. Spherical Cow Silver badge

      Re: Heliopause

      Solar sails use sunlight (photons) with almost no effect from the solar wind (plasma), so the heliopause wouldn't make a difference. What definitely makes a difference is distance from the sun due to the inverse square law for light intensity, and in interstellar space no single star has a dominant effect.

  8. _Elvi_

    Good Job, Now lets work on ..

    A Bussard Ramjet.....

  9. You aint sin me, roit
    Trollface

    17780 square feet?

    Oh, almost 80 nanowales, about 40% of a football pitch... why didn't you say?

    1. Jimmy2Cows Silver badge

      Re: 17780 square feet?

      Public (mis)perception. 17780 sounds really big to most people, because they can't conceptualise that. 40% of footy pitch doesn't. Won't even get you out of your own half.

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