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The Small Bodies Nomenclature Working Group (WGSBN) – the folks responsible for assigning names to minor planets and comets – last week published a bulletin in which it gave 29 small celestial bodies their very own names. One of the newly named bodies has been given the moniker "Zoozve" and it is remarkable – for several …

  1. KittenHuffer Silver badge
    Coat

    I would suggest ....

    .... Hamner-Brown but technically it would have to be a comet rather than a minor planet.

    Or Hot-fudge-sundae-that-falls-on-aTueday!

    ------------> Mine's the one I'll wear for a world ending collision!

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
      Coat

      Re: I would suggest ....

      Mine's the one with the recipe for mustard gas in the pocket - just in case...

    2. Patrician
      Pint

      Re: I would suggest ....

      Have a beer for the Lucifers Hammer reference

  2. lglethal Silver badge
    Joke

    I'm waiting for the obligatory...

    ... Planety McPlanteface. Or perhaps Asteroidy McAsteroidface...

    1. Geoff May (no relation)

      Re: I'm waiting for the obligatory...

      Moony McMoonface?

    2. Claptrap314 Silver badge
      Boffin

      Re: I'm waiting for the obligatory...

      Guys, you need to keep the form properly. It's got to be a single-syllable base. I give you:

      Rocky McRockFace

  3. Christoph

    There has to be one

    named Clanger

  4. I am David Jones Silver badge
    Happy

    Can we have a button moon please?

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
      Happy

      Are you not disturbed that the child is an egg (Egbert not a very imaginative name there) - and yet his parents are the natural enemy of all eggs - giant spoons.

      He's obviously adopted. So perhaps it's some do-gooding social worker's idea of reconciliation between the warring parties. Let's hope it doesn't end badly.

  5. Roj Blake

    Wallace

    After one of the great lunar explorers.

    1. Intractable Potsherd

      Re: Wallace

      It would have to have a companion.

  6. Eclectic Man Silver badge

    Zoozve orbit

    Any chance of a link to an animation showing its orbit? I am intrigued, but having difficulty visualising quite how it travels in the 'butterfly' shaped orbit in lock step with Venus.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Zoozve orbit

      It sounds chaotic to me.

    2. Vincent Ballard
      Go

      Re: Zoozve orbit

      Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/524522_Zoozve

    3. aizuchi

      Re: Zoozve orbit

      "The pink dot represents Zoozve's orbit around Venus, shown as a green shot, as the two travel around the Sun, offscreen in the center-top" ...

      https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/8hr3F8gjVSDVci9jWh7Pe5-970-80.gif

    4. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: Zoozve orbit

      The linked Space article contain one and more to the story

      https://www.space.com/venus-quasi-moon-zoozve-radiolab-nasa

    5. A. Coatsworth
      Megaphone

      Re: Zoozve orbit

      I understand that "butterfly" sounds a lot more poetic, but after seeing wikipedia's animation, my only thought is: that's a kidney.

      1. david 12 Silver badge

        Re: Zoozve orbit

        Kidney seems a bit more elegiac, but after seeing wikipedia's animation, my only thought is: that's a bean

    6. david 12 Silver badge

      Re: Zoozve orbit

      All the animations seem to be bean-shaped, but apparently Zoozve actually orbits the sun, and only "appears" to orbit Venus, due to it solar orbit going inside / outside Venus. As I understand it, Zoozve actually has an almost elliptical orbit around the sun, intersecting the Venus orbit, almost (but not quite) synchronous with Venus. Is there an animation of that?

      1. Eclectic Man Silver badge
        Boffin

        Re: Zoozve orbit

        It also appears that it is not the orbit of Zoozve that is butterfly or kidney shaped, but the envelope* of the orbits around Venus.

        * Mathematical term, see, e.g. https://brilliant.org/wiki/envelope/#:~:text=Definition,the%20family%20at%20some%20point.

        1. david 12 Silver badge
          Coat

          Re: Zoozve orbit

          Since Zoozve is not orbiting around Venus, the concept of "orbit" is a bit nebulous. But the shape described in returning to the starting point is bean shaped. The envelope of beans is also bean shaped, and if traced with a decaying phosphor, the wings sort of appear to beat like a butterfly.

  7. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Trollface

    "poses no danger to Earth"

    For the moment.

    1. Filippo Silver badge

      Re: "poses no danger to Earth"

      Meh. Sims suggest no danger for 10000 years. In 10000 years, either we have the ability to deflect asteroids, or we're long extinct for whatever reason. I don't think there are realistically any other options; I could come up with steady state scenarios for mankind for 10000 years, but I think they'd have to be extremely contrived.

      1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
        Happy

        Re: "poses no danger to Earth"

        Scientists said: The chances of anything coming from Zoozve are a million to one.

        1. Fred Daggy Silver badge
          Coat

          Re: "poses no danger to Earth"

          ... so ... about 50/50 then?

          1. A. Coatsworth

            Re: "poses no danger to Earth"

            Rather, 9 out of 10

            1. bombastic bob Silver badge
              Trollface

              Re: "poses no danger to Earth"

              and to fix it we'll all have to start wearing expensive hats, magical underwear, and surrender our freedom to the AI underlords. And drive miniature cars.

          2. HelpfulJohn

            Re: "poses no danger to Earth"

            Only if you have the great misfortune of living in London.

            Or, perhaps, Luton.

      2. aizuchi

        Re: "poses no danger to Earth"

        Sky & Telescope: "Calculations show [Zoozve will] leave Venus's influence altogether within about 500 years."

        https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/how-venus-ended-up-with-a-mini-moon-named-zoozve/

        1. Filippo Silver badge

          Re: "poses no danger to Earth"

          500 years until leaving Venus, 10000 before possibly threatening Earth.

          Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/524522_Zoozve which has a note with the actual academic source.

      3. HelpfulJohn

        Re: "poses no danger to Earth"

        A "steady state" of this Culture, one using oil and coal, can not be continued for a millennium. There isn't sufficient oil and coal for that. It's simple arithmetic. Earth is so big, she can only contain so much oil, if we burn it at any rate it will, must, eventually run out. There can *never* be any more made.

        So, either Man does something terribly clever and nice and becomes the sort of calm, lovely, united species that can create and sustain a better society with bettter energy supplies or, very shortly, there will be non-interfertile remnant species trying to survive in a zombie-infested, biologically contaminated nuclear wasteland.

        I've seen a politician, I know which I'd bet on.

        "The Wizards lived in castles miles tall. They faught wars with Wizard weapons. We watched the skies burn."

  8. hammarbtyp

    It is worth reading this twitter thread on how Zoozve got its name due to an artists misreading the defined name

    Its a great detective

    https://twitter.com/latifnasser/status/1754607479651274757

    1. Flightmode

      There's a pair of podcast episodes about it too:

      https://radiolab.org/podcast/zoozve

      https://radiolab.org/podcast/breaking-newsve-about-zoozve

      (Disclaimer: I've not yet had a chance to listen to them myself, but Radiolab usually has really enjoyable contents. And of course, Latif Nasser who is the originator of the X thread linked above, is the co-host of the show, so this is straight from the horse's mouth.)

    2. KittenHuffer Silver badge

      Happens a lot!

      The Merlin helicopter (EH101) was supposed to be the European Helicopter Industries 01 (EHI01) but when first show to the press they got the designation wrong, and it just stuck so AugustaWestland caved to the inevitable and changed the designation.

      1. Eclectic Man Silver badge
        Facepalm

        Re: Happens a lot! - Aside Helicopter name

        KittenHuffer: European Helicopter Industries 01 (EHI01)

        When I worked on the Merlin, it was called the 'Eee Aitch One Oh One'. I had no idea that the first 'One' was actually an 'I' and that everyone was getting its name wrong. Trouble was I left before they got the simulator up and running otherwise I'd have had a go at flying it. I did get to play in a different helicopter simulator later, though, they are really hard work, helicopter pilots are awesome.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    And if you like this kind of humorous mis-reading then search for Ed Gamble's story of the "Danish Boog" ...

  10. adam 40
    Angel

    What about

    The rings around Mianus?

  11. Roger Kynaston
    Happy

    Next planetary 'moon'

    This needs to be called Aderin after the incomparable Maggie Aderin-Pocock

  12. AndrueC Silver badge
    Joke

    If we find an asteroid that's on a collision course with Earth can we call it 'Arse'?

  13. xyz Silver badge

    Geesajobe...

    Seriously... There's a bunch of idlers who get paid to sit on The Small Bodies Whatever Group and make up names for space stuff. How much do these losers get paid for this crap (and do they have any openings) ?

    1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

      Re: Geesajobe...

      Knowing how Academia works, my guess is that they get paid the square root of fuck all but are expected to do the job as part of their "duties".

  14. ldo

    Our Moon Is A “Quasi-Moon”, Too

    And for the same reason: it orbits the Sun, not the Earth.

    Either that, or given its large size relative to the Earth, we can consider it a “binary planet” system.

    1. timrowledge

      Re: Our Moon Is A “Quasi-Moon”, Too

      Let’s not forget Cruithne

      1. ShortStuff

        Re: Our Moon Is A “Quasi-Moon”, Too

        Or is it Kamo'oalewa ?

    2. david 12 Silver badge

      Re: Our Moon Is A “Quasi-Moon”, Too

      No -- unlike Zoozve, the motion of our moon is retrograde wrt the sun.

  15. Andy The Hat
    Facepalm

    I really should watch fewer ads on tv

    My first question was "What's the name of your favourite rock?"

    1. ravenviz Silver badge

      Re: I really should watch fewer ads on tv

      Brighton. And then Blackpool.

  16. HelpfulJohn

    Cruithne?

    "One is that it's the first identified quasi-satellite of a major planet."

    I thought that Earth (which, according to IAU rules is not really a planet as she hasn't cleared her orbit: the Moon is in it and Earth isn't "in hydrostatic equilibrium": she has lumpy bits in the South Atlantic) had some of those? Cruithne for one?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3753_Cruithne

    Don't these guys read their own Press releases?

    Oh, and don't the four gassy planets have loads of things like this? Of course, maybe the IAU don't think Saturn is a "major" planet?

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