Huawei finally gives up on US schmoozing efforts Chinese tech giant Huawei has reportedly stood down much of its public and government relations teams in the US and Canada, in a sign it may have given up trying to persuade Washington to soften its stance. Huawei has been under the burden of US sanctions for five years, since former president Donald Trump blacklisted the …
Here in Europe Huawei is not constantly hit by "China is evil" propaganda. That spying stuff is just the pretence to push "Their technique got better than ours! Lets use every dirty trick from the book of propaganda!" policy. I still welcome them here. And we are still welcome there - we recently made it on the "travel without visa required" list of China. And we are on the same list for the USA for many decades.
Ni hao, Jou.
Shall we go through some list of the best shady stuff from Huawei?
Shall we start with the bugging of Nortel buildings, the reverse engineering of "borrowed" equipment, the hacking of their R&D network, marketing, finance and CEO?
Thank you for admitting Huawei's guilt. Here's an another one for you to dismiss as "baseless".
Chinese spy duo charged in Huawei case as US condemns ‘egregious’ interference. This is from The Guardian.
"The Chinese intelligence officers Guochun He and Zheng Wang attempted to orchestrate a scheme to steal the prosecution strategy memo, witness lists, and other confidential evidence from the US attorney’s office for the eastern district of New York, the indictment said. The charging papers against He and Wang referred only to an unnamed telecommunications company based in China, but the entity in question is understood to be Huawei, according to a source familiar with the matter. According to the indictment unsealed in Brooklyn, the Chinese agents paid about $61,000 worth of bitcoin in bribes to a US government official whom they believed had been recruited to work for the Chinese government but in fact worked as a double agent for the FBI."
But of course, you can claim that there are no link between the Chinese intelligence services and Huawei. That will convince everybody, for sure.
The UK got bullied by the USA, after they bullied Australia to get rid of the superior and cheaper and more secure Huawei gear, so that the US spy agencies could use all the American sanctioned gear that allowed the USA to spy on everyone.
Shame the other Anglo countries didn't stand up for themselves and tell the USA where togo.
You got it backwards. The Australians are the ones who warned the yanks about it. You're making things up. Shall we look at the FACTS?
How Australia led the US in its global war against Huawei
"Washington is widely seen as having taken the initiative in the global campaign against Huawei Technologies, a tech juggernaut that in the three decades since its founding has become a pillar of Beijing's bid to expand its global influence.
Yet interviews with more than two dozen current and former Western officials show it was the Australians who led the way in pressing for action on 5G; that the United States was initially slow to act; and that Britain and other European countries are caught between security concerns and the competitive prices offered by Huawei.
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Until the middle of last year, the US government largely "wasn't paying attention," said retired US Marine Corps General James Jones, who served as national security adviser to President Barack Obama. What spurred senior US officials into action? A sudden dawning of what 5G will bring, according to Jones.
I think Huawei is right. For the USA, China has taken the Soviet Union's place (given the Putin has demonstrated how weak Russia actually is). It doesn't matter that Huawei is a private company, it's Chinese, and the White House has a problem with anything Chinese (except when it comes to inexpensive tat to be sold in its stores).
It's hilarious to read that the US considers Huawei a security threat because Huawei is "beholden to Beijing", when any company in the US is subject to National Security letters which, technically, means that they are "beholden to the USA". I'm still waiting for the pics of motherboards with that special chip that phones home to Beijing.
Hypocrisy for the win.
>>> So, each and every company not on the stock market is suspect. Right?
Here are a few more characteristics
- With a lot of links with the People's Liberation Army
- Always in the news for industrial spying activities
- Also in the news for helping wiretapping of other countries personalities, politicians and Chinese dissidents
- Abusing IPX roaming interconnect systems to geolocate Chinese abroad.
- Achieving >100B usd of revenue in just 35 years
- Linked to Uighur genocide with their facial recognition software and other activities.
Want more?
You mean Huawei copying code and documentation from Cisco. Even the typos?
Of course we can tell you about this story.
Huawei Admits Copying Code From Cisco in Router Software
Huawei admits to a little copying
The China-based router maker says a few lines of Cisco source code inadvertently got into its products. But the copying wasn't as pervasive as Cisco claims in a lawsuit, the company says. [...]
Cisco's lawsuit alleges that Huawei copied up to 1.5 million lines of software code. In its latest court filing, Huawei said an employee inadvertently used about 2 percent of the 1.5 million lines of code inside Huawei's VRP line of routers.
US accuses Huawei of stealing technology from six companies
> US officials detail how a Huawei employee was discovered, during a trade show in 2004 in Chicago, going to a rival company’s booth in the middle of the night and taking photographs of the circuitry inside a networking device. This individual wore a badge listing his employer as “Weihua”, according to the charge."
Yeah, after 5+ decades of "we let our tech produce in your country because cheap, but don't look and learn at what we let you produce". China did pay, with workforce to exploit for the US. And still does. Shall we take a look at history what US knowledge was stolen from other countries? From Germany for example - think you would have been on the moon 'round 1970 without some German knowledge? Don't play the "we are the only high and holy" shit game, 'cause the US surely stole tech from China too, they just love to point fingers at others instead of their own fault. There are some Americans knowing this, but rather keep quiet for obvious reasons, you can't go against the constant propaganda stream on US media.
> From Germany for example - think you would have been on the moon 'round 1970 without some German knowledge?
Van Braun was hired, you silly. China is having thousands of spies. Every year nes spies are caught. Is it that hard to understand the difference, wumao?
> Don't play the "we are the only high and holy" shit game, 'cause the US surely stole tech from China too
Yeah. Gutter oil recipe. Sure.
> propaganda stream on US media.
Don't watch. Watch CCTV. Read Xinhua and the the Dazibao. You'll be safe.
> Van Braun was hired, you silly.
Of course he was "hired". "Work for US or prison.". And he is just the one of the most prominent examples since he did work for the Nazis, who do you think made V1 and V2 rockets? Talk about "flexible ethics" here, where US is no better than any other country. If he'd been like Einstein, who came to the US to flee from the Nazi, it would have been different. And if Einstein would not have to flee anyway, where would US be with their atomic power? Hell, this boils down to the genious intro of the first Red Alert game :D.
Documents link Huawei to China’s surveillance programs
Excerpt:
> "A review by The Washington Post of more than 100 Huawei PowerPoint presentations, many marked “confidential,” suggests that the company has had a broader role in tracking China’s populace than it has acknowledged. These marketing presentations, posted to a public-facing Huawei website before the company removed them late last year, show Huawei pitching how its technologies can help government authorities identify individuals by voice, monitor political individuals of interest, manage ideological reeducation and labor schedules for prisoners, and help retailers track shoppers using facial recognition."
Want more?
Yes, I'd like to hear about American equipment used by, for example, the FBI, or the NSA, for spying on US residents and non-residents, or capturing international communications traffic crossing the USA.
The idea that a Chinese company provides equipment and services to the Chinese government doesn't astonish me. (Any more than IBM supplying equipment to the Nazis during WW II was surprising.)
Yet another backdoor event leveraging Lawful Interception: Huawei accused of stealing trade secrets, spying in Pakistan.
> - Business Efficiency Solutions said it partnered with Huawei on Pakistani policing project
> - BES created data collection, other software for Pakistan's police
>- Huawei used software as 'backdoor' to spy on Pakistanis, says complaint"
BES also accused the Chinese tech giant in the Wednesday complaint of using its technology to create a "backdoor" that allowed it to collect sensitive data "important to Pakistan's national security."
Let me know if you need more evidence.
@Anonymous Coward : please stop the Langley (CIA headquarters) propaganda, it's so obvious. We don't believe any of that crap anymore. I'd even go as far to say that it's counterporoductive : the more you try to thrash them the more we realise how good they have to be to scare the s****t out of you.
Why do you want me to stop? Don't like truth to be exposed?
Huawei’s Yearslong Rise Is Littered With Accusations of Theft and Dubious Ethics It's behind paywall but, here, have the wayback link.
> "Chinese giant says it respects intellectual property rights, but competitors and some of its own former employees allege company goes to great lengths to steal trade secrets"
[... more juicy detail...]
One company that did come forward was Chicago-based Motorola—and its accusations enveloped Huawei founder Mr. Ren. After two decades of investing in China, Motorola in July 2010 accused Huawei in a lawsuit of stealing Motorola’s technology for the SC300, a compact base station that connects devices in a wireless network, that could be mounted in enclosed buildings and rural areas.
Seven years earlier, a relative of Huawei’s founder who was then working in Motorola, Pan Shaowei, flew with two colleagues to Beijing. The mission, Motorola said, was for Mr. Pan to secretly show Huawei the SC300’s specifications.
Huawei told an Illinois federal court that Mr. Pan briefed Mr. Ren, unsolicited, on his team’s product development, customer response, and plans to leave Motorola. It denied that Mr. Pan and his team were developing products for Huawei. Mr. Pan didn’t respond to a request for comment.
Email fragments recovered from Mr. Pan’s laptop and included in Motorola’s complaint show Mr. Pan wrote to Mr. Ren after the meeting, “Attached please find those document [sic] about SC300 specification you asked.” Huawei later made a similarly small device, weighing half the SC300, which it marketed to rural communities in developing markets."
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I was imagining all the IP packed into the luggage of the departing Huawei team :) now that the company doesn't have to care a rat's about US goverment policy.
I have a cheap 3G 'Hewey' phone which I really liked - small, fast and decent features but had to ditch because the 3G network will be switched off in a couple of months. Their gear was pretty decent and extremely good value.
I recall when their enterprise switches first hit the market they were about a quarter the price of comparable Cisco switches and half that of other competitors.
I have no idea how prevalent the subversion of Huawei devices might be although I accept it is not unthinkable but I am also suspicious the competition with US vendors is also a major factor in banning Huawei.
Waiting for US enterprises to be caught red handed lifting PRC companies' intellectual property. Need a good laugh.
Walk round any of the top data centres in the UK and EU and certainly in Asia and you'll see lots of Huawei kit, mostly the larger routers and switches. They're not going anywhere fast. So whilst the US might have eradicated them from US soil, they still remain on the other end of many services outside of the US, routing and managing traffic destined for the US.
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