back to article AI-generated bug reports are seriously annoying for developers

Generative AI models like Google Bard and GitHub Copilot have a user problem: Those who rely on software assistance may not understand or care about the limitations of these machine learning tools. This has come up in various industries. Lawyers have been sanctioned for citing cases invented by chatbots in their legal filings …

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  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Explain please !!!

    "67 percent false positive rate"

    That sounds to me like it is wasting a lot of 'Human' time !!!

    Please explain how this is effective or efficient !!!???

    :)

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: Explain please !!!

      It's not clear to me that it is efficient. Socket could argue it's "effective" based on outcome: they do identify a lot of malicious packages.

      It might be efficient if the model is more effective at the initial screening than humans are. Even with a high false-positive rate, if the model narrows the search space for malware in the packages under examination by, say, a couple of orders of magnitude, that might well mean a net gain over not using the model.

      Again, we don't have enough evidence to assign a probability to that. We just have Socket's word on it.

  3. ldo Silver badge

    AI Will Eat Itself

    So, we can clearly see how the whole AI concept will eventually implode.

    The question is, will it take the rest of us with it?

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Charge bug bounty hunters an entry fee

    Refund the fee if, in the opinion of the developer, the report was written in good faith by a human (even if it turns out not to be a bug).

    Keep the fee if it's AI-generated timewasting.

    Keep increasing the fee until the level of AI stuff goes down to manageable.

    Problem solved?

    1. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: Charge bug bounty hunters an entry fee

      It will probably get rid of all hunters, both those who submit crap and those who don't. Hunters may be concerned about submitting a real bug and getting charged for it, especially if companies are being vindictive as they sometimes do. While I don't do commercial bug hunting, I've had the experience of reporting a vulnerability to a company and getting a nasty message back because they didn't like having a problem brought to light, so I'd be careful not to do that if it involved getting a nasty message and paying them for the privilege. I think that's what you'll get, but we can always try. I wish there was a better way, but I don't have one.

      1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: Charge bug bounty hunters an entry fee

        It might eliminate a lot of the HackerOne types, most of whom aren't adding much value anyway. It wouldn't affect sponsored vulnerability-investigation teams in industry (eg. Project Zero) or academia (e.g. Graz U's team).

        The problem really is administration. HackerOne is one thing (and not, in my opinion, a great thing). There are a lot of independent researchers who submit reports hoping for a bounty or equivalent, such as a security consultation engagement. There are also a lot who submit them just for recognition/reputation, or without expecting compensation. A vendor shouldn't ignore those reports — they might be genuine — even if no "submission fee" is paid; that's unethical and dangerous. And even for reporters who play the game, how is that fee administered, if they don't use a reporting agency like HackerOne?

        1. doublelayer Silver badge

          Re: Charge bug bounty hunters an entry fee

          It won't affect academia or Project Zero types because those people have a lot more ability to report things without penalty and they are also listened to if they have to report something publicly. If a company wants to get rid of the HackerOne types, they have a clear option: don't have a HackerOne presence. If they've decided that the noise from people looking for an opportunistic quick reward is worth the potential benefit of more people looking for and reporting real issues, then this is a more important problem for them. Public bug bounties have always been prone to bad submissions, a problem that AI will probably exacerbate, but each company can individually choose whether to participate.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Charge bug bounty hunters an entry fee

      Rather than charging an entry fee, reduce the potential bug bounty paid to a given hunter by 10% for each nonexistent bug. Have each "time out" in a year. If a hunter submits 10 bogus bugs in a year, then stop accepting reports from them.

    3. Mike007 Silver badge

      Re: Charge bug bounty hunters an entry fee

      I found a bug, I should probably let the developers know so they can fix it...

      <Enter credit card information>

      ...err, on second thoughts I will let them figure it out themselves.

  5. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    You aint seen nothing yet ....

    .... for the Existential Advanced Cyber Threat now Pumping through every Sublime Internet Networking Vein is ...

    Houston, do we have a problem ‽ . The Machine[s] is[are] telling humans... "No more crap such as lies that create and propagate fake news for tomorrow’s resulting opinionated crooked views ..... or else"

    Please advise. Do we have any solution[s]? Or else sounds pretty unpleasantly ominous.

    [If you do not see/recognise/accept that as your current unfolding, present day reality/situation reporting on a mega metadata based 0day vulnerability being exploited and exported far and wide ethereally and down dark and deep underground by/to all manner of alternative means and virtual memes and future builder stakeholders, then ....

    1) Prepare yourself for a whole series of what are sure to be for you, almighty shocks giving rise to universal crises ....... Otherworldly Trips.

    And all as a consequence of, and an accountable responsibility to be laid at the doors of that and those presiding over the pimping/pumping and dumping of thoughts and activities wickedly aiding and abetting "Oh! What a Tangled Web We Weave/When First We Practice to Deceive!

    2) You gotta get out more. Wake up and smell the coffee, Java and Cocoa.]

  6. monty75

    You have to be impressed by the human ingenuity that can take any new trend and turn it into a low-effort grift.

  7. ChoHag Silver badge

    > The issue for Stenberg is that these reports still need to be investigated and that takes developer time.

    Get a job. Get paid.

    Oh you have one already in marketing already? Carry on.

    Did Stenberg pay for this advert?

    1. doublelayer Silver badge

      I'd argue against this, but I think you misread the situation so much that it's virtually impossible to debate the point with you. Somehow reporting a problem is the same as advertising, even though I don't pay anybody to use libcurl and the article mentions nothing encouraging use of it. I think you might need to read the article again.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Get a job. Get paid.

      He has a job - it's called "libcurl developer".

      Time spent triaging garbage "vulnerability" reports is time not spent improving other code or working on new features.

  8. Excelziore

    The net productivity impact of AI?

    It will be interesting to see what the actual net productivity impact of AI will be?

    Something like: Net AI productivity = AI productivity boost minus AI productivity waste. It's not clear that it will be a net positive for all use cases...

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