So what happens if those site cut their subscription numbers back to 44.9 million and refuse further signups? Do they stop being a VLOP? Or is it a case of once a VLOP always a VLOP?
Europe classifies three adult sites as worthy of its toughest internet regulations
The European Commission has designated three websites that host sexually explicit material as Very Large Online Platforms (VLOPs) under the Digital Services Act – status that means the trio will be more highly regulated than other online services. In a Wednesday announcement, the Commission (EC) named Pornhub, Stripchat, and …
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Thursday 21st December 2023 12:00 GMT Prst. V.Jeltz
Omission and inaction
One of the rare time lies stopped spewing out of D Trump's mouth was during the 180 minutes of his supporters attempting to overthrow democracy to keep him in power, during which he was oddly silent.
I consider his silence during this period "Full participation and indeed leadership of a traitorous coup attempt" by omission.
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Thursday 21st December 2023 14:40 GMT MiguelC
Re: Omission and inaction
Bolocks! He urged the protesters to fight, and only told them to "stay peaceful" an hour after they had already broken into the White House, while maintaining the lie that the election had been stolen from him, and telling those in the mob they were "great patriots".
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Thursday 21st December 2023 16:31 GMT Khaptain
Re: Omission and inaction
Here are the five key phrases:
'We will stop the steal'
'We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn't happen'
'If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore'
'Peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard'
'We are going to the Capitol'
Incitement is not in and of itself a crime unless the intent was to cause violence.
I do "not" support D. Trump , I can't stand the man, but I do support facts rather than feelings, it's far more important to us all.
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Thursday 21st December 2023 18:20 GMT JimboSmith
Re: Omission and inaction
The speech which I’ve just re-read has the word Peacfully mentioned once in it which is nice.
Not so nice is the use of the word fight or fighting of which there were I think 20 mentions,
Corrupt got 10 mentions,
Illegal or Illegally 24 mentions
and an honourable mention for…..
Fake which managed just 7 mentions.
For me the key phrases were where he suggested to the already worked up crowd that Mike Pence could stop the certification which he legally couldn’t.
And he looked at Mike Pence, and I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so.
Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All he has to do, all this is, this is from the number one, or certainly one of the top, Constitutional lawyers in our country. He has the absolute right to do it. We’re supposed to protect our country, support our country, support our Constitution, and protect our constitution.
Trump needs to find a better constitutional lawyer…….
All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.
And I actually, I just spoke to Mike. I said: "Mike, that doesn't take courage. What takes courage is to do nothing. That takes courage." And then we're stuck with a president who lost the election by a lot and we have to live with that for four more years. We're just not going to let that happen.
And Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn't, that will be a, a sad day for our country because you're sworn to uphold our Constitution.
By the way, Pennsylvania has now seen all of this. They didn't know because it was so quick. They had a vote. They voted. But now they see all this stuff, it's all come to light. Doesn't happen that fast. And they want to recertify their votes. They want to recertify. But the only way that can happen is if Mike Pence agrees to send it back. Mike Pence has to agree to send it back.
(Audience chants: "Send it back.")
And Mike Pence, I hope you're going to stand up for the good of our Constitution and for the good of our country. And if you're not, I'm going to be very disappointed in you. I will tell you right now. I'm not hearing good stories.
Mr Pence did stand up for the good of the US Constitution which is way more than the Donald did on Jan 6th.
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Thursday 21st December 2023 18:46 GMT Jellied Eel
Re: Omission and inaction
I consider his silence during this period "Full participation and indeed leadership of a traitorous coup attempt" by omission.
So here's a thing-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67632728
One of the court challenges to Donald Trump's eligibility to run for president in 2024 has finally struck gold.
The Colorado Supreme Court's ruling to disqualify the former president from the Republican Party's upcoming primary ballot is yet another unprecedented moment in US politics...
...The activists who brought the case in Colorado - a liberal watchdog group and collection of anti-Trump Republican and independent voters - may be celebrating their victory.
Prematurely, and after striking fool's gold. What the Bbc omitts are a few rather important details, like..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_for_Responsibility_and_Ethics_in_Washington
The organization's website says it is "dedicated to promoting ethics and accountability in government and public life by targeting government officials who sacrifice the common good to special interests."
And, the President and CEO is a staunch Democrat by the name of Noah Bookbinder, who just happens to sit here-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_Security_Advisory_Council
The Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC) is part of the Executive Office of the President of the United States
So.. along with the 4 Democratic judges who've decided Trump can't play in the Whitehouse anymore, are.. not exactly partisan. Or very keen on the US Constitution it seems. Trump hasn't been convicted, or even charged with 'insurrection' as far as I'm aware, yet these Colorado 'judges' have decided he's guilty, and imposed punishment without due process. So this will be appealed, overturned, and hopefully those judges removed from office.
But do Americans honestly think this is 'democracy'? It seems the kind of thing a 3rd world dictatorship may do, and I get the feeling it's going to backfire spectacularly.
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Thursday 21st December 2023 19:43 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Omission and inaction
> But do Americans honestly think this is 'democracy'? It seems the kind of thing a 3rd world dictatorship may do,
Threatening violence before, during and after losing an election? Yeah, there was definitely 3rd world dictatory about Trump's time.
Oh, you didn't mean him?
A small mind exercise for you.
3 democrats and a republican are at a tapas restaurant, the republican stands up and pisses in all the dishes. The democrats agree this was unacceptable and that they're not going to dinner with the republican anymore.
Are the democrats just being partisan,or is the fact that they're democrats entirely incidental to the fact that the republican was incredibly unpleasant?
Saying "well, Dems don't like Trump" is like voting to be shot in the foot because you're worried about a runny nose.
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Thursday 21st December 2023 20:02 GMT Jellied Eel
Re: Omission and inaction
Are the democrats just being partisan,or is the fact that they're democrats entirely incidental to the fact that the republican was incredibly unpleasant?
Someone else who doesn't seem to understand the Constitution, democracy, or the seperation of powers. In your analogy though, the Democrats, along with the restaurant staff would be witnesses to a crime. Crimes should be reported, investigated and if necessary, prosecuted, and then the Republican would be punished, if also convicted.
Your Democrats have decided to skip all that and go straight to punishment, which means the people of Colorado may be denied the right to vote for the candidate of their choice. What happened to the idea of 'free and fair' elections? As with the pron ban and the actions of the EU, the far-left do seem to be doing a remarkable job of emulating and exceeding the authoritarian qualities of one of the left's icons, dear'ol Joseph Stalin.
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Friday 22nd December 2023 14:02 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Democracy. Or how Ronald Reagan's party could become Vladimir Putin's party
Odd cos Putin got what he wanted under Obama and Biden. In 2014 he got Crimea and Donbas without much of a fight as Obama was incredibly weak and now he's succeeding in massively weakening the west's military as we pretend to support Ukraine.
If he'd tried it with Trump in power he'd have probably been nuked.
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Friday 22nd December 2023 18:42 GMT Jellied Eel
Re: Democracy. Or how Ronald Reagan's party could become Vladimir Putin's party
Jellied Eel, you should be thankful for democracy that allows Putin to control the congress via Trump dimwits
I'm just glad I'm not in the US. To prove I'm not necessarily biased, they also have Niki Haley, who announced The Putin ordered Hamas's attack because October 7th was his birthday! See also-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7
3761 BC – The epoch reference date (start) of the modern Hebrew calendar.
Epoch Times indeed!
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Friday 22nd December 2023 19:47 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Democracy. Or how Ronald Reagan's party could become Vladimir Putin's party
So you're in Canada? Fits with your TZ.
> " Putin ordered Hamas's attack"
That fits perfectly Putin's agenda indeed. Hamas reckless suicide action can hardly be explained otherwise than through Iran order/manipulation as negotiated with Putin.
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Friday 29th December 2023 09:34 GMT Justthefacts
Re: Omission and inaction
Sigh. I’ll point out the obvious contradiction/dilemma in that position:
Is Trump a “Cult of Personality” dictator? Because if “No”, then the Republicans have an easy solution: just pick another Republican to run. It’s not difficult. Nobody is stopping the GOP from running for President. Surely it can’t be that difficult for the Republicans to find a candidate who hasn’t led an armed insurrection and assault on Congress? That’s not a high bar. But if only-Trump is acceptable…..then we aren’t really talking about the Republican *Party* any more are we? This isn’t Republicans vs Democrats. Trump isn’t even showing up to the Republican primary debates. He’s not, and has never been, a Republican. So why are you talking as if “the Democrats” are responsible for this court ruling? It’s just responsible citizens at this point.
And it’s obvious that the Supreme Court is going to rule on this. The same Supreme Court that is dominated by Trump appointees. So literally the only possible outcomes, is that either *Trump appointees* agree that he engaged in insurrection and disbar him…..or an alleged dictator is forced onto the ballot by people he himself appointed, which is pretty much the definition of a dictator.
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Friday 22nd December 2023 03:10 GMT Mark Exclamation
Re: Omission and inaction
"So.. along with the 4 Democratic judges who've decided Trump can't play in the Whitehouse anymore, are.. not exactly partisan...". This will be appealed to the Supreme Court, which has a majority of Republican judges.. not exactly partisan. Seems the American justice system is based on political leanings rather than law as it's written.
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Friday 22nd December 2023 10:51 GMT codejunky
Re: Omission and inaction
@Mark Exclamation
"This will be appealed to the Supreme Court, which has a majority of Republican judges.. not exactly partisan. Seems the American justice system is based on political leanings rather than law as it's written."
As the ruling is nothing more than show this is lawfare continued. The ruling means nothing as stated in the ruling, all Trump has to do is appeal to the US supreme court and the ruling has a stay on it (so he is on the ballot). However he can be selected without ballot so it still doesnt stop him in that state.
Add that the poor excuse they used doesnt stand up by law. They use the excuse that he is an insurrectionist, except he is not convicted as such and there is no way to reconcile the facts with that claim. But also the 'law' used apparently doesnt apply to the president anyway. So even if this was challenged there would be no case.
The lawfare effort is just increasingly desperate and Trump doesnt have any viable challenger in the republicans. It is increasingly looking like he doesnt have much of a challenge from the democrats either although there is still a little time for things to change.
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Friday 22nd December 2023 13:54 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Omission and inaction
The Colorado decision is based on faulty interpretation of law. The dissenting opinions make interesting reading. Section 3 of the 14th can only be used by congress, NOT states.
As for the orange man inciting violence, it is worth looking at what Nancy Pelosi, Kamala Harris, Maxine Waters, Chuck Schumer and many others have said since 2016. Telling their supporters to fight.
Heck, even Eric Swlawell was caught out in the original Colorado trial as he'd once tweeted “If you think they’ll stop with a women’s right to choose, you haven’t been paying attention. We have to fight like our lives depend on it, because clearly, they do.” but claims he was not calling for violence when using the word 'fight' however he claimed that Trump WAS when using the same word.
Even funnier with all the dems claiming the Capitol is a sacred place is the dem staffers having an 'in-sir-erection' in the very same hallowed place :)
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Friday 22nd December 2023 14:30 GMT Jellied Eel
Re: Omission and inaction
Heck, even Eric Swlawell was caught out in the original Colorado trial
Swalwell also got caught going out for Chinese, but only a minor hiccup. Then he got caught recently arranging Biden Jnr's contempt of congress publicity stunt. Could be a little awkward given that's a federal crime.
As for the 'firey but mostly peaceful' protests with mobs claiming Trump wasn't the legitimate winner, and attacking federal buildings.. That would more clearly fit defintions of insurrection, as would the Democrats support for those insurrectionists. But US politics has become very strange this century.
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Friday 22nd December 2023 05:57 GMT Richard Pennington 1
Lying ...
My late father was the headmaster of a (UK) school which included a unit for deaf pupils. On one occasion the school assembly was addressed by a local politician. During the speech, one of the deaf kids asked his teacher a question via sign language: "Why is that man lying to us?".
It transpired that the kid had no clue as to the content of what the speaker was saying, but was aware of the lies simply by observing the speaker's body language.
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Thursday 21st December 2023 07:19 GMT Anonymous Coward
I wonder if they will do age verification or just block EU access to the sites.
The EU seems to believe that AV that preserves privacy and also prevents identifying information from being stored on an external site to track you across sites exists when that not really true at all .
Imho AV is doomed to fail.
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Thursday 21st December 2023 12:14 GMT Version 1.0
Young kids are normally not stupid, I've seen children working around age verification requirements - which is just starting to help them learn how to hack their way around the internet world.
My minor opinions on the modern NSFW sites were created based on a lot of time as a very young child looking at the wonderful naked images created by Michelangelo - the early EU nudity was beautiful.
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Thursday 21st December 2023 08:25 GMT KittenHuffer
Now would be the perfect time ....
.... to short Pornhub.
Either they introduce AV and their turnover crashes as everyone moves to other RSI-based sites that do not have AV. Or they don't introduce it in which case they get a big fine from the EU.
Either way their stock will tank.
---------> Guess I'll have to test my 'suit' to make sure it is compatible with other sites!
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Thursday 21st December 2023 21:28 GMT IGotOut
Re: Now would be the perfect time ....
@ac.
Or they'll "pull out" of the EU to avoid the stupid unworkable regulations. What a great time to not be an EU member state!"
Yeah, they said the same about the cookie law (that was genuinely stupid one).
They said the same about GDPR and most complied.
You see, loosing 10s, if not 100s of millions of $s makes them cave in. Sure they kick and scream like a 2 year old, but they soon stop when they get no more sweeties until they behave
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Friday 29th December 2023 10:05 GMT Justthefacts
Re: Now would be the perfect time ....
“They said the same about GDPR and most complied”
What are you talking about? 25% of US Fortune 500 company sites have geo-blocked the EU because of GDPR. Globally, “only” about 10% of all websites are geo-blocked to the EU due to GDPR. But that’s not because they comply, but because most of them don’t have any business with EU, and don’t care. Have you checked whether *your* website adheres to the law of Brazil? What would you do if it weren’t? And finally, a large majority of Chinese sites are invisible from the EU, but visible from the U.K.
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Thursday 21st December 2023 11:41 GMT KittenHuffer
Re: Now would be the perfect time ....
Kittenhuffing! - The orange ones fsck you up REAL good!
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Thursday 21st December 2023 14:16 GMT Rol
Re: Now would be the perfect time ....
I don't know. I assume most of the users are not registered with adult sites, for obviously sane reasons. If AV comes in, then registrations will increase, alongside their gathering of identifiable details. Those alone could see those sites quadrupling their profits, in the same manner that Meta has become mega rich as a broker of users' profiles.
Perhaps it's time to stop casually browsing these sites and start vigorously copying your favourite bits to your hard drive. It's back to the 70's folks, where your sexual peccadilloes sits hidden under your bed, and not scattered around your front garden for all to see, which will be the inevitable conclusion of tagging your identifiable details to the grumble you might occasionally peruse.
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Thursday 21st December 2023 15:14 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Now would be the perfect time ....
>Perhaps it's time to stop casually browsing these sites and start vigorously copying your favourite bits to your hard drive.
That is the right answer for any bits you want to retain access to. Back in the infant days of the Internet I could see the same thing coming for music. I amassed a library of music on my local storage before the DCMA slammed that door shut.
The European Commission & VLOPs is just the government's next step in regulating Internet content. It exemplifies the problem with the 'cloud'. If you don't have your own local copy, then someone else is in control and can take it away at any time.
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Thursday 21st December 2023 16:38 GMT CountCadaver
Re: Now would be the perfect time ....
Until the govt decides to classify material previously legal as criminal and suddenly your now a sex offender and by public implication a "nonce" "pedo" "pervert" "sicko" and worse or plod cites in court "whilst the individual images we have found are barely legal, taking this collection in its entirety paints a disturbing picture m'lud and our 'experts' believe it's indicative of interests in illegal materials and child abuse and we believe the accused has concealed the illegal portions and have refused to provide the decryption key or means they used to conceal said depraved stash"
We are living in the worst of 1984 and v for Vendetta
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Thursday 21st December 2023 18:29 GMT JimboSmith
Re: Now would be the perfect time ....
Not based in Scotland are you?
Scotland bans smut. What smut? Won't say. Filth-lovers won't know what the law is until they break it
A spokesman told us: "We do not publicly disclose our prosecution policy in relation to specific offences as to do so may allow offenders to adapt or restrict their behaviour to conduct which falls short of our prosecution threshold."
They added that any such information would also be exempt from any attempt to tease it out by using Freedom of Information legislation.
https://www.theregister.com/2011/01/25/ignorance_of_scottish_pr0n_law_no_defence/
Bit like being done for speeding when they won’t tell you what the speed limit is.
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Thursday 21st December 2023 18:35 GMT David 132
Re: Now would be the perfect time ....
That spokesman's comment that you quote: "We do not publicly disclose our prosecution policy in relation to specific offences as to do so may allow offenders to adapt or restrict their behaviour to conduct which falls short of our prosecution threshold."
...has just made me irrationally angry (and yes I know, I'm 13 years late).
Isn't it tantamount to saying "we won't say what constitutes an offence, because then people will stop doing the illegal stuff to avoid prosecution"?
And in a sane world (yeah, yeah) isn't that the primary objective of a new law - to stop the "bad" behaviour? Presumably the spokesman only considers it a successful law if it results in lots of prosecutions?
Bah.
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Thursday 21st December 2023 08:26 GMT Pascal Monett
So, a few porn sites are now VLOPs
I think this is a right move. Obviously, porn sites are a magnet for a large part of the (male) population, and I'm guessing that the 15-18 bracket is not insignificant. If I'm not mistaken, porn sites are already putting up a popup requiring that you are of age, but obviously there is no verification yet. I don't see that being a VLOP is going to change that. The regulations concern security, privacy and consumer safety, not age verification.
Obviously, age verification could be added for porn sites.
That'll throw a spanner in the works !
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Thursday 21st December 2023 09:23 GMT Tron
ID grab.
Just load balance and share.
so Pornhub becomes an upload site hosting no content. Go there to upload or to click on a forwarding link which takes you to wristexerciser.com or happyending.com or wherever, which host all of pornhub's content until they hit 44m EU views, and then switch to another. Each site gets its own staff.
Other sites, like Social Media, can do the same.
Or operate using a distributed methodology, effectively building a slice of the site on the user's machine as they surf via P2P software or the e-mail protocol. Fully encrypted, no site visits.
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Thursday 21st December 2023 16:41 GMT CountCadaver
Re: There’s porn on the Internet?
Media amped her up as some overpowering giant, when the reality was she was a loudmouth busybody with ideas too extreme for even the Thatcher govt i.e. wanting to ban the sale of and criminalise the possession of sex toy - yes she seriously proposed that, no shock she was a former teacher and bible thumper...both of those alone are bad enough, together is just worse....
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Thursday 21st December 2023 18:45 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: There’s porn on the Internet?
You’re misinformed, her and the NVALA were very effective in the 60s and 70s, less so in the 80s. Amongst their ‘achievements’ was persuading councils to ban Monty Pythons’s the Life Of Brian from being shown because it was supposedly blasphemous. Banning Schools Out by Alice Cooper from Top of the Pops, she objected to a film about the liberation of Belsen concentration camp, to the BBC showming the film War Game. She sued Gay News (and won) about a poem about Jesus, Mrs Thacher liked her and she had a go at Doctor Who which made her public enemy no 1 in our house.
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Friday 22nd December 2023 05:58 GMT Bebu
Re: Consequences
Got to love it.
Meat, stiff, sadistic, tied up, ball gag - knowing what the last is, probably a crime in itself.
I didn't know Maggie wanted to ban "marital aids." God knows sir Dennis probably needed all the help he could get.
"No m'lud that's a facial massager"...." You don't say m'lud? I have never tried it down there."
"Oh that - lifelike isn't it? No, I don't think it would fit."
In spite of the vast efforts of human imagination and ingenuity the entire contents of PH is pretty mechanical and could be recreated on the fly using AI with virtual actors a bit easier on the eye than Max Headroom. I suspect even current gaming rigs would have enough grunt (oops) for this.
There is not really a lot of scope for much variety - even the EU only has so many types of plugs and sockets (not all DIN.) Eventually you must lick the last lolly.
Were the Carry On movies and the Up Pompei series shown in Scotland? World best practice smutty innuendo.
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