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Government agencies in unspecified countries have compelled Apple and Google to hand over push notification data without telling anyone, thanks to US government regulations, according to US senator Ron Wyden (D-OR). Wyden on Wednesday sent a letter to the US Department of Justice (DOJ) asking that the department revise its …

  1. Dinanziame Silver badge

    Cool idea bro

    Have you talked about it to the NSA?

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    DOJ rules prevent companies from disclosing requests from other countries? I'm confused.

    1. Sora2566 Bronze badge

      I'm guessing it was intended to stop companies from revealing when the US had requested their data, but the law was very vaguely worded.

      1. trindflo Bronze badge

        preventing reporting of non-US entities demanding push data

        Or it's another Five Eyes arrangement to rat out each other's citizens. They're scratching each other's back while we're in the middle as usual.

    2. doublelayer Silver badge

      Either that, the companies are wrong about what the regulations mean, or the companies made it up as a reason why they didn't have to provide any data. I note that the request is to repeal any regulations that would have that affect, not to repeal this specific list of regulations that we know have the effect. Maybe either the companies interpreted a regulation as embargoing that that actually doesn't or they decided they didn't want to create a report and just said they couldn't.

  3. Omnipresent Bronze badge

    There is something very evil

    happening on the interwebz. All our OS's are spying on our every move. All our chat and converse spaces have been taken over by dictators. The internet is no longer free, it is a prison, and influence is the name of the game.

    Thinking you are smarter than every one else makes you a fool, until you have to resort to targeting children to keep your sphere of influence.

    Evil is afoot on the interwebz.

    1. ecofeco Silver badge

      Re: There is something very evil

      It's called capitalism and it's always been this way.

      That's why at this time of year the movie A Christmas Carol is always shown. To remind us that rich people are oppressive bastards and need to be periodically threatened to stop being cruel.

      1. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

        Re: There is something very evil

        1. The yearly threats don't work. The rich are still being cruel.

        2. Anyone who thinks Ebenzer Scrooge was simply a mean-spirited miser didn't pay attention to the entire story. Ebenezer started out a decent guy, but he lost his way. He had a fiancee, Belle, whom he loved dearly, but his love somehow became warped -- he thought he had to have 'more' money, so he could properly support his potential wife, and in seeking more money (and spending more and more time working), he alienated Belle and became the miser most people think of when they hear/read the name, "Scrooge."

  4. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

    Push Notifications: A Treasure Trove of Relevant Data

    From Temu: "Buy Womens' Stretchy Pants for 30% Off!" From Barnes and Noble (after you've bought a 'Harry Potter' book): "People who bought the same book you did also liked, 'Shaving Tools for Dwarves'!"(Putatively) from Sinclair: "Your car warranty has expired! Call 1-900-867-5309 for a limited-time offer!" From Tinder: "Hot, blonde-haired Elbonian woman wants to date you!" From Tesla: "Buy a Tesla!! Now!! I command you to!!"

    I doubt any (competent) spies, revolutionaries, car-theft-rings, drug-runners, human traffickers, terrorists, flat-earthers, climate-change-deniers, survivalists, cigar-smokers, or meat-eating clubs are going to communicate via push notifications.

    And any "reliability assessments" of people, based on the sort of data which does come through via push notifications, will be totally wrong and useless. Not that bureaucrats care about logic or accuracy. They feel it's the process which is important.

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