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Tesla is suing the Swedish government to force it to take action against widespread strikes that have crippled the electric car maker's operations.  Tesla sued the Swedish Transport Agency Monday after employees affiliated with Sweden's public service union, Fackförbundent ST, stopped delivering mail, including license plates …

  1. Dinanziame Silver badge
    Happy

    It's impressive to see unions developing their full power. Sometimes you wish it would happen more often.

    Couldn't happen to a nicer CEO, too

    1. Herring`

      I am enjoying this dispute

      Yet another stupid lawsuit from Musk who seems to believe that all should bow down before his greatness.

      “One hundred idiots make idiotic plans and carry them out. All but one justly fail. The hundredth idiot, whose plan succeeded through pure luck, is immediately convinced he’s a genius.”

      ― Iain M. Banks

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: I am enjoying this dispute

        I had a boss who was utterly useless; people management, project management, technical competency, customer relations.... you name it and he could bugger it up. In the dim and distant past he'd managed a stunning bid win which did wonders for the company and won him promotion after promotion based on that one success. He never stopped referring to the bid and we ended up playing "When I managed the xxx bid..." bingo in meetings.

        1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

          Re: I am enjoying this dispute

          Arent basically all bosses useless ?

          Isnt being in management the last place for people who have zero skills in doing actual work ?

          Michelangelo was an artist, the pope who hired him obviously couldnt paint or sculpt...

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: I am enjoying this dispute

            > Michelangelo was an artist, the pope who hired him obviously couldnt paint or sculpt...

            Great, you have moved on from "CEOs are useless" to "managers are useless" to "anyone who hires someone else" is useless!

            The whole bleedin' point of working as a painter or sculptor is to be hired by someone who isn't as good as you at painting or sculpting! You don't want Michelangelo to have ever been given a job?

            Who is next? Maybe you want brickies to be left unemployed? No ceilings, nothing for Michelangelo to do anyway!

            1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

              Re: I am enjoying this dispute

              AC: Great, you have moved on from "CEOs are useless" to "managers are useless" to "anyone who hires someone else" is useless!

              cow: So you agree with me ?

              What part of my statement is untrue ?

              AC: The whole bleedin' point of working as a painter or sculptor is to be hired by someone who isn't as good as you at painting or sculpting!

              cow: You are missing the BIG point of this. In most companies my observation is extremely valid. Management dont have the skills in the business their only contribution is what exactly ?

              You havent actually disagreed with my statement that management are nothing more than an expensive tax, who contribute the least and demands the most compensation comapred to the rest who contribute to the core business.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: I am enjoying this dispute

                Goal posts ON THE MOOOOOOOOOVE!

                > AC: Great, you have moved on from "CEOs are useless" to "managers are useless" to "anyone who hires someone else" is useless!

                > cow: So you agree with me ?

                No, how on earth could you reach that conclusion from the sentence you quoted? Language skills failing you? Simply quoting and re-stating what you said is not a way of agreeing of you!

                (Goal posts accelerating)

                > You havent actually disagreed with my statement that management...

                No, because I was explicitly responding to your statement implying that *anyone* who hires anyone else is useless. You don't get to try and walk away from *that* claim by deciding that it is part of some kind of "big picture" or commentary about management - no, it wasn't, it was just you pushing your personal tirade against management well past the breaking point and then being called out on it.

                Well, I really *hope* that it was pushed too far, because otherwise you really do believe that Person A hiring Person B to do a job, any job, is abhorrent - in which case I am wondering how well you are getting on pushing all the data from your keyboard onto all our displays by hand!

                (Goal posts closing on escape velocity)

                1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

                  Re: I am enjoying this dispute

                  No you are the one who is moving the goal posts.

                  You just dont appreciate the difference between the worker who gets things done and the parasite who talks but cant do.

                  ~

                  AC: No, how on earth could you reach that conclusion from the sentence you quoted? Language skills failing you? Simply quoting and re-stating what you said is not a way of agreeing of you!

                  cow: Your claims are completely circular.

                  You claim you are right, because you say you are right. You dont even attempt to disprove the very points i share.

                  ~

                  AC: No, because I was explicitly responding to your statement implying that *anyone* who hires anyone else is useless.

                  cow:

                  Let me ask this with a different appraoach.

                  How many managers types are actually able to do the tasks of those they manage ?

                  AC:

                  You don't get to try and walk away from *that* claim by deciding that it is part of some kind of "big picture" or commentary about management - no, it wasn't, it was just you pushing your personal tirade against management well past the breaking point and then being called out on it.

                  cow:

                  Here we go, ou attack me because i make a statement and yet in all your replies you have yet to actually addres the inbalance of taking credit by managers for the work done by those they "manage".

                  I made a statement previously about the pope who hired Michaelangelo...

                  Now let me ask you another q about this statement... lets pretend Mike left Italy and went to China, could the pope have "found" someone else to produce half of Mikes genius. No he wouldnt, ...

                  Please show me other examples from later centuries where others have reproduced half of what Mike did ... please show me another vatican etc.

          2. Dagg Silver badge

            Re: I am enjoying this dispute

            Arent basically all bosses useless ?

            It is called the "Peter Principle" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

            1. 42656e4d203239 Silver badge
              Pint

              Re: I am enjoying this dispute

              As I get older I see that the Peter Principle applies more and more, the closer you look at any organisation.

              I have yet to find an exception - self included (the Principle actually addresses what happens when a worker is self-aware enough to recognise the Principle in action and tries to mitigate its effects; tl;dr - the worker can't mitigate the effects!)

              Beer becasue it beats working at the level of my incompetence....

            2. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

              Re: I am enjoying this dispute

              Lets approach this on merit and nothong else ?

              Why reward those who have the least skills as opposed to those with real business skills for each company ?

          3. Adrian Harvey

            Re: I am enjoying this dispute

            > Michelangelo was an artist, the pope who hired him obviously couldnt paint or sculpt...

            Fascinatingly - Michaelangelo signed every one of the letters (progress reports, etc) he sent to the pope as "Michaelangelo, sculptor" (source: audio guide in the Cistine Chapel) as he didn't really want to do the painting! Carving things was his preferred work.

            I wonder if that actually makes the management in this case smart? - they got amazing work that might not have been done had the worker just been left to his own preferences....

            1. teknopaul

              Re: I am enjoying this dispute

              Either that, or the world missed out on some amazing sculptures.

              1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

                Re: I am enjoying this dispute

                When you are as good Mike, you can get jobs anywhere. There was only one Mike, rich men were plenty back in those days.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: I am enjoying this dispute

                  > When you are as good Mike, you can get jobs anywhere. There was only one Mike, rich men were plenty back in those days

                  But, but - earlier you were incensed that "Mike" was getting hired by one of those rich men (namely, the Pope).

                  If we follow your rules, none of those rich people would give Mike a job!

            2. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

              Re: I am enjoying this dispute

              What part of Mikes art is Mike Responsible for ?

              Are you really going to tell me the Pope had the skill of any kind to repeat any of those pieces ?

              What is smart about taking credit for work others have done, that you couldnt do ?

              I can think of many other words, but smart is not one. There is no honour in using your position to pay yourself more than others who actually did the work.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: I am enjoying this dispute

                > What part of Mikes art is Mike Responsible for ?

                Um, all of it, That is why we say "This was done by Michelangelo".[1] Nobody ever claims that any Pope grabbed a brush and started daubing (unless you have been reading some VERY strange "history" books).

                > Are you really going to tell me the Pope had the skill of any kind to repeat any of those pieces ?

                No, which is precisely *why* the Pope arranged to have "Mike" hired - because he was well aware that that was the way to get a good result. Even if he wanted to "repeat" any of those pieces, he'd arrange to get someone in who had the appropriate skills to finish the job.

                As for the rest of this comment - you seem to have a very strange idea of what the Pope's role actually is (Hint: the Pope is not expected to be slapping paint up the nearest wall, nor is hiring anyone else to paint anything considered a major part of his day to day workload).

                Perhaps if you want to try to make an actual point, you could perhaps think about your examples a little more, before typing them in?[2]

                [1] Actually, Michelangelo had a load of people helping him - as well as being an artist, he was *also* one of those Management people you so despise.

                [2] On second thoughts, no, don't try to make any clear and salient points, that would take away all the laughs we get from your crudely considered comments.

                1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

                  Re: I am enjoying this dispute

                  AC:

                  [1] Actually, Michelangelo had a load of people helping him - as well as being an artist, he was *also* one of those Management people you so despise.

                  cow:

                  Here we go...

                  Now tell me what did mikes assistants actually do ?

                  Heres a clue, they didnt sculpt David, they did far simpler tasks, like preparing the frescos, washing brushes etc.

                  How about you actually provide details of your statement instead of making broad statements that are dishonest.

                  https://www.deseret.com/1988/5/15/18766067/researcher-says-michelangelo-did-sistine-standing-up-and-with-help

                  > > In Italy, he spent hours compiling scattered information on the Sistine project, which took from 1508 to 1512, and came up with a list of 13 assistants who helped Michelangelo.

                  An architect friend helped design the overhead scaffolding and a carpenter named Piero Basso built it, Wallace said. Michelangelo also hired assistants to grind colors, mix paints, trim and clean brushes, and take care of other mundane tasks, and he recruited other artists and instructed them in the technique of fresco painting.

                  Some historians have believed Michelangelo had help in the project, but workers cleaning the ceiling in the 1930s were the first to notice the tell-tale details, Wallace said. He thinks his book will be the first to provide an overall picture of Michelangelo's assistants in the Sistine Chapel.

                  "Examination of the ceiling from the scaffold clearly reveals the presence of helping hands, especially painting in the architecture, decoration and many of the secondary figures," Wallace said.

                  "Much of the architecture, for example, was a reptititous task that required competence but no imagination, and the presence of more than one hand is particularly evident when viewed at close range," he said.

                  ...

                  now what does that text actually tell us ?

                  Does that actually sound like the assistants work was on the same level as Mike ?

                  If its all a questin of management, then Mikes achivements of art should have been repeated many many times all over the world. So please tell me where are the Vatican equivalents today in the Americas ?

          4. An_Old_Dog Silver badge

            Managers

            Do you want to spend your work time coordinating things on large projects, or just doing your techie job?

            Without a good manager, you'll be getting: ring-ring-ring. "Hi, this is Marla from EH&S. Have the computer keyboards you propose to use been approved by our department?" Ring-ring-ring. "This is Brian in Intake. We've been moved into the new building, but who is going to re-paint our computers, and when will this happen? We want our computers to match our soothing, blue color scheme, but the computers here are painted all black." Ring-ring-ring. "Our electron microscopes were moved into the new building and hooked up, but now they're not working." Ring-ring-ring. "Hi, this is Security. The external cameras on the new building quit working. Please fix them." Ring-ring-ring. "Oh, thank God you're there! This is Charlie, I was working on installing a PC in one of the tiny rooms, the staffer left, and now I'm Magna-Locked inside. I don't remember the room number, and my paperwork is on the counter outside, but it's in the new building, in one of the tiny rooms with all-foam furniture and a camera mounted in an armored box on the ceiling in the corner of the room. Please come let me out." Ring-ring-ring ...

            1. A Non e-mouse Silver badge

              Re: Managers

              I wish I could upvote this more than once.

              I'm (now) a manager but used to be an at-the-coal-face techie.

              My job as a manager is to keep a-holes away from my staff and get them resources (budget, equipment, staff) to do their job. I have to understand IT systems to be able to make informed decisions about priorities, but it's not my job to dive in and fix them.

              1. Fr. Ted Crilly Silver badge

                Re: Managers

                Mind you don't allow yourself to become one of the 'Arseholes' by default to the capture effect...

              2. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

                Re: Managers

                AN e-mouse ?

                > My job as a manager is to keep a-holes away from my staff and get them resources (budget, equipment, staff) to do their job

                cow:

                Let me guess those aresholes are other managers ?

                So its managers wasting time because of other aresholes sorry manager and you think managers are actually cntributing the company ?

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: Managers

                  > Let me guess ...

                  Please don't, you'll only hurt yourself trying to think of the right answer

                  1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

                    Re: Managers

                    Spoken like a true manager, lots of words that doesnt actually mean anything or convey any meaning on any matter. Your reply is completely pointless and thats my point managers dont have any actual technical or artistic input on any matter they manager.

                    Your comment has not in anyway addrssed any point i made in any way except try and be smart.

            2. YetAnotherLocksmith Silver badge

              Re: Managers

              That's called "being a small business owner" isn't it? Except all of those people calling are actually also you.

              1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

                Re: Managers

                YALS

                No thers a big difference.

                So do you really think a a SMBO is the same as a manager in any other larger company ?

                Cant you tell the difference in what both types do ?

            3. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Managers

              A long time ago I managed a team of about a dozen RF engineers. For this priviledge I got an office, my own printer, a car, no overtime pay and I was paid less then two of the engineers who worked for me (and justifiably so). One of them really wanted a promotion to a management grade for reasons that he didn't really seem to be able to explain - although I think it was because he just liked the idea of being "in charge" and he never missed an opportunity to pester me for more "management" responsibility. I went on holiday for two weeks, so I put him in charge. I briefed him on his responsibilities and warned him about important stuff that might come up and who he had to talk to before doing anything, but he more or less had carte blanche to do my job in my absence.

              When I got back he was thoroughly fed up of the job. He complained that he'd spent most of his time chasing test gear that was due for cal., and trying to prise it away from the engineers, hassling the engineers to do their timesheets, getting hassled by accounts for timesheets not done and answering their endless questions about overhead bookings and expense claims. He'd failed miserably in refereeing the booking system for the two RF CAD seats we had and there were some angry PMs waiting for me who were a bit more appreciative of my efforts after this.

              After his fortnight of being in charge he lost all his "management" aspirations knuckled down to being a very good engineer and the last time I looked him up he was the top applications engineer for company that makes RF integrated circuits.

              1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

                Re: Managers

                Im not going to doubt an engineer wouldnt want to do boring nagging activities, but lets get things into perspective about who actually has skills. Sitting on a phone, sending emails to nag other areshats is a considerable lower skill than being an engineer who actually does engineering.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: Managers

                  It's time for Reading Comprehension with CowHorseFrog!

                  > considerable lower skill than being an engineer who actually does engineering

                  >> no overtime pay and I was paid less then two of the engineers who worked for me (and justifiably so)

              2. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Managers

                Once upon a time I worked for a subsidiary of Ericsson. This was the good times, when groth in telecom was exponetial and there was always work, and money, the inter-departmetal fights were over picking the best thing to do out of many interesting areas of the business.

                They had these all-hand, all staff in one room, meetings every three months or so. One of the recurring points was the "Who wants to be a manager?". People would raise their hands and Boss would go, "OK, you, you and you" and that was it. Next meeting the same process, because in the meantime a few of "the chosen ones" had asked to be transferred back to their old positions, with no repercussions or anything.

                I liked that approach. You got to try the job, see if it fits, then hand it back if it doesn't.

        2. Barrie Shepherd

          Re: I am enjoying this dispute

          Regrettably he was not alone! I have come across similar individuals during my woking life.

          1. Steve K
            Coat

            Re: I am enjoying this dispute

            I bet you were Surrey about that

        3. Fr. Ted Crilly Silver badge

          Re: I am enjoying this dispute

          The Caine mutiny and the strawberrys spring to mind...

      2. Terry 6 Silver badge

        Re: I am enjoying this dispute

        And that sums up ( one form of ) modern stupidity. Because some (mostly ) already well heeled individuals get lucky and become the super rich we hold them up as if they were somehow brilliant, rather than the statistical outliers that they really are.

        1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

          Re: I am enjoying this dispute

          Because some (mostly ) already well heeled individuals get lucky and become the super rich we hold them up as if they were somehow brilliant, rather than the statistical outliers that they really are.

          We frequently see the respectful attentions of the world more strongly directed towards the rich and the great, than towards the wise and the virtuous.

          Written by Adam Smith in Theory of Moral Sentiments, published in 1759.

          Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

          1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

            Re: I am enjoying this dispute

            ATC:

            Putin, fatty and winnie the pooh or MBS are even richer and more powerful, than well illlet you throw a list here..

            yes judging the value of a person solely on the attributes you mention isnt the best way to find a worthy person for praise.

      3. NerryTutkins

        Re: I am enjoying this dispute

        This is absolutely true.

        It's like financial advisers, stock traders and bankers. Let's say there are 5000 in the country. Even if we assume it's just pure chance how they perform, 500 will be in the top 10% in a year. The next year, 50 of those 500 will be in the top 10% again. In the third year, 5 of those will be in the top 10% again. Now this is just statistics, it could be more, or less. But based on probability, there will be a few in the top 10% for these three years.

        Now the industry lauds them as gods, and they probably believe it themselves. One year would be luck, but three years in a row cannot be luck, surely? They must be special and have special skills. Their employers hike their salaries, bestow obscene bonuses and give them even more assets to manage, and freedom to take even more risks. And so when the inevitable happens the following year, it goes from being a manageable decline to being a massive, economy-threatening catastrophe because they've bet the farm on someone continuing to keep rolling sixes.

        The amazing thing is that banks and the financial industry, which absolutely should have the mathematical background to understand very simple chance, get caught out again and again and again. They legally have to put "past performance does not guarantee future success, your funds are at risk" but never take it on board themselves.

        1. Fr. Ted Crilly Silver badge

          Re: I am enjoying this dispute

          You are Nick Leeson and you owe £600 million...

    2. abend0c4 Silver badge

      It seems that Tesla have been granted an interim judgment requiring the transport agency to allow Tesla to collect the licence plates themselves. Though I can't help feeling that might just backfire.

      1. Dan 55 Silver badge
        Devil

        If I were the judge I would have denied it just for "Tesla demands that the district court obliges the Swedish Transport Agency".

        1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

          Seems Tesla forgets who is the authority in Sweden.

          1. veti Silver badge

            Sweden is a country of laws. If the law says the government must do something, then it... probably should do it, or pay penalties and/or compensation for not doing it.

            The purpose of a court case is to get an authoritative ruling as to what the law requires.

            1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

              Of course Sweden is a country of laws, but when you are in court, you show respect as a guest of the government's authority.

              When you disrespect the judge and the court room you are disrespecting the country and the laws that shape it.

              Nobody is above the law, especially in court, nobody should even try and tell the judge what to do. Im sure the judge is a man or woman of honour and they should be allowed to take care of the court room as they see fit not under directions from a bully.

              1. John H Woods Silver badge

                Respect

                Yes, I'm not one of Sunak's biggest fans but the way Musk treated him at the AI thingymajig was incredibly disrespectful to the UK

      2. that one in the corner Silver badge

        > allow Tesla to collect the licence plates themselves. Though I can't help feeling that might just backfire.

        Like trying to figure where the plates are?

        The postal workers took delivery but, you know, the old memory just ain't what it was, we're sure we just put them down for a moment. Never mind, you Tesla blokes look like bright lads, you'll find them. Dearie me, we never did get around to fixing the lighting circuits in there, did we. Careful now, that door tend to slam shut then it sticks something rotten - what, no, sorry, the chippies are out in sympathy, along with the sparks, but feel around, when you find a stuffed tiger you're getting warmer.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Looking forward to next weeks installment of "Sven, Postal BOFH"

          1. Benegesserict Cumbersomberbatch Silver badge

            Probably a relative of Junior Postman Groat.

            Just as Elon is probably a relative of Reacher Gilt.

        2. John Robson Silver badge

          No "beware of the leopard sign"?

          1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

            Yes, but the lights are out so you can't see it.

        3. YetAnotherLocksmith Silver badge

          "Oh, and don't forget, it's an offence to take, disturb or damage, and especially to open, anyone else's post. Serious crime, that. Enjoy!"

      3. fajensen
        Pint

        I can't help feeling that might just backfire.

        Oh, It will. When a Swedish bureaucracy is pushed, a circle of monkeys will form, each pointing at the next one to be "doing something". Nothing will be moving, and nobody will be responsible because everyone are just following the rules. This configuration will stay up until man-baby Musk decides to do it the Swedish Way. Then everything suddenly runs like a clockwork and nobody understands what the problem was.

        In this case: The transport agency will respond to the court that this is not the process that they have been instructed to follow (by law), probably adding that deviating for the sake of Tesla is discriminating against other manufacturers, concluding that if they have to do something different, the government has to issue new laws / instructions. The government will do its very best to stay the hell out if the thing. Unions are the core of the Swedish "system" and the "Swedish Public Management Tradition" is to leave the Civil Service alone to do their duties as they see them. It will eventually go to a higher court and then get thrown out.

    3. t245t Silver badge
      Holmes

      It's impressive to see unions developing their full power.

      Dinanziame: “It's impressive to see unions developing their full power. Sometimes you wish it would happen more often

      I've never known a union to do me any good. When there's a down-turn in the market there are lay-offs. But the union execs get to keep their jobs.

      --

      The title contains some characters we can’t support” :(

      1. RedGreen925 Bronze badge

        Re: It's impressive to see unions developing their full power.

        "I've never known a union to do me any good. When there's a down-turn in the market there are lay-offs. But the union execs get to keep their jobs."

        Yeah all those people who died fighting the same scumbag bosses like Musk over a hundred years ago did jack shit for you. The conditions they changed in the workforce at the time lead to you having that reasonably safe job you got so you can go on about how the morons in management of the union do nothing for you. Without them you would be working eighty hour weeks in conditions that can and would lead to your death, so bitch on about unions and how useless they are. Oh and as employee of the company you are subject to their staffing requirements and the union agreement governing it, as an employee of the union the management of it are subject to the staffing requirement of the union that employs them.

        1. SundogUK Silver badge

          Re: It's impressive to see unions developing their full power.

          What unions did a hundred years ago bears no resemblance to what unions do today.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: It's impressive to see unions developing their full power.

        I thought that too when I had to pay dues from my wages.

        Thing was, when I was a young 'un, I got time and a half for overtime, and double time on weekends.

        My kids only get ordinary time, any time or day of the week, seem to often get short (paid) working days. Oh and the boss doesn't do beers on friday either.

        Yup we were hard done by with all those union "execs" living high on the hog.

    4. TheMeerkat

      Unions are like mafia.

      There is nothing good about mafia having too much power.

      1. Benegesserict Cumbersomberbatch Silver badge

        All organisations instituted for the benefit of a group to the exclusion of an outgroup are like the Mafia, including corporations, unions, and governments.

        How legally and ethically they achieve their aims is sometimes different.

        1. Alumoi Silver badge

          At least the Mafia has some sense of honor.

          1. Alumoi Silver badge

            I take it that my downvoters still believe that corporations and governments have honor?

            Or it's because I've spelled 'honor' right?

            1. Headley_Grange Silver badge

              "Honour - the quality of knowing and doing what is morally right" - OED.

              If you think that drug running and murder are morally acceptable activities then I'm surprised that you care about a few downvotes.

              1. Alumoi Silver badge

                1. Contrary to corporations and governments, the Mafia will honor a contract.

                2. Drug running and murder are not morally acceptable unless some government agencies do them, right?

                3. If you all missed the sarcasm...

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            > At least the Mafia has some sense of honor

            They like to be portrayed as having a sense of honour.

            Otherwise...

            (Unless you are claiming to have more - direct - knowledge of how honourable they are?)

      2. Peter2 Silver badge

        There is nothing good about unions having too much power; that was proven when they destroyed British industry post war by refusing to accept modernisation to use new technology that was labour saving. While this protected their members in the short term by keeping jobs in the long term it resulted in the near total destruction of British industry when exposed to competition when we joined the EEC/EU.

        However there is also nothing good about total tossers having too much power; they hoard all of the wealth and power at the top by not paying either the workers, or the tax bills.

        What is required is a fair balance, and the balance at the moment in the UK/US is clearly tilted too favourably towards business.

        1. gryphon

          I find it interesting that when New Labour came to power they didn't get rid of any 'anti' union legislation that Margaret Thatcher had put in place after the miners strike. .e.g Flying pickets, sympathy strikes and so on.

          1. Mooseman Silver badge

            "when New Labour came to power they didn't get rid of any 'anti' union legislation"

            New Labour = Old Tory. It was a broadly slightly right of centre government, which sadly left the tories nowhere to go but further and further to the right, leading us to where we are now.

            Unions of course did not destroy British industry, it managed that all by itself - consider British Leyland, a perfect storm of hugely incompetent management and over zealous unions. Car designs were hamstrung by bean counters, resulting in such abominations as the Allegro, etc etc. Media, government and management exclusively blamed the unions (which to be fair really didn't help).

            1. YetAnotherLocksmith Silver badge

              But you're stretching back a long way for that.

              You could look far closer in time, to the recently shut last steel plant in the UK, for instance. "Here's £500 million, get that place closed quick!"

          2. Peter2 Silver badge

            As a serious question, Why?

            According to most things written about the subject Labour had first planned those bits of anti union legislation in the late 1960's. They looked at them again when they were being fucked over by the unions in the Winter of Discontent.

            Once in power, the Conservatives, who under Thatcher's leadership had begun criticising the unions as too powerful, passed legislation, similar to that proposed in a Labour white paper a decade earlier, that banned many practices, such as secondary picketing, that had magnified the effects of the strikes.

            So the proposals were actually reasonably sensible Labour proposals in the first place, except that Labour couldn't pass them because of union influence on their party.

        2. tiggity Silver badge

          @Peter2

          You will find the big problem was the lack of decent communications & little attempt at collective bargaining involved - when the employers took the approach that the workers were to be treated as if they were shit on a shoe sole, then unsurprisingly that ended up with a fractious "us and them" situation that was not conducive to good behaviour / decision making on either side of the divide.

          There will always be some tensions between employers and "shop floor" workers, but steps can be taken to reduce the tensions e.g. management liaising with works councils* (these have proven very successful in some countries e.g. Germany, also have the advantage of typically improving communications with shop floor and increasing productivity)

          * In many countries that have a form of works council the members of the works council do not have to be union members & can happily have works councils in a non unionized environment. Works council represents shop floor workers but is not a trade union entity (though in unionized establishments obviously may well be strong links to the union(s) involved)

          1. Colin Bull 1
            Happy

            It takes 2 to tango

            50 years ago I worked for a company that had good industrial relations. It was completely unionised, but the management worked with the unions for the benefit of all employees.

            The main benefits were -

            profit sharing

            Sick pay decided by managers/shopfloor committee (NEVER any them / us nonsense)

            Extra days off if no sickness in a year

            Suggestion scheme with BIG payout. £10k one year and a car !!

            Everyone worked for their mutual benefit.

        3. NerryTutkins

          British industry was primarily destroyed by bean counters. Sure, the unions probably didn't help. But other countries in Europe that had strong unions such as Germany seemed to keep a successful manufacturing sector.

          I worked in Germany for a year in the 90s, for an engineering company (I am a mechanical engineer by degree, but drifted into software development) and the contrast with the UK was quite notable. In the UK, company management tended to be people in suits with voices getting posher the closer to the top you got. Very often they graduated in marketing or business, because of course engineers should stay in grubby workshops doing real work, not making management decisions. In germany, engineering companies were run by engineers.

          While the UK car industry had accountants choosing components and making design and investment decisions based on £££, most german companies had more interest in the engineering. Working first hand in germany, I could see that the guys running the company (who were graduate engineers) did things properly because "this is the way things should be done, and we're competing on quality, not price".

          Various foreign car companies seemed to have no problem being quite successful in the UK (at least prior to brexit), which was largely down to the way they were managed, not the unions or the workers.

      3. Malcolm Weir Silver badge

        The problem is in defining "too much". In principle, I agree with you, but would add that the same should be said of many types of shareholders (e.g. "wealth management" funds). Some power is good and reasonable, too much power is usually a bit of a problem.

      4. Casca Silver badge

        How american of you...

  2. MachDiamond Silver badge

    Tesla should deal

    I've seen some statements that claim 90% of Tesla employees in Sweden do NOT want to organize. I'd say that's a slam dunk for Tesla to not try to prevent any votes or other organizing activities. The problem as it's described seems to be more about the obstruction by Tesla than anything else. Is there another take? What am I missing? I know Elon is a rabid anti-unionist, but having a group of employees vote down joining a union sounds like a win for his views. Maybe he needs to post a Xit calling all of the union bosses pedo's.

    1. Adair Silver badge

      Re: Tesla should deal

      'Xit' – I must admit I hadn't come across this descriptor before. I like it. What a perfect description of the reality it points to.

      1. that one in the corner Silver badge

        Re: Tesla should deal

        > 'Xit' – I must admit I hadn't come across this descriptor before

        Works with the X pronounced like a Z (as my old colleague Xavier explained it should be).

        Easy to remember: "Musk popped out a Xit", " The argument raged and the Xits were getting inflamed".

        1. trindflo Bronze badge
          Thumb Up

          Re: X pronounced like a Z (or cks)

          Yep, 'Zit' is a good analogy to the effluence. An 'X' is also often pronounced as 'cks' as in axe and fax. So 'Xit' could also translate to cksit, which sounds close to a four letter word also describing something that could ooze ouf the platform previously known as twitter. I'll probably use yours when in polite company; thanks for the tip!

          1. Someone Else Silver badge

            Re: X pronounced like a Z (or cks)

            Or...you could pronounce like they do in China...

    2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Tesla should deal

      But this isn't Tesla employees - it's a political move by an essentially government union.

      Suppose as a protest about Gaza whichever union does airport immigration desks decided it wasn't going to process [Jewish/Muslim] visitors ?

      1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge
        FAIL

        Re: Tesla should deal

        I have no idea what you're on about but this is one labour union taking industrial action out of solidarity with another labour union.

        1. TheMeerkat

          Re: Tesla should deal

          Unions taking action in solidarity is unelected people (union bosses) governing the country.

          1. eldakka

            Re: Tesla should deal

            > Unions taking action in solidarity is unelected people (union bosses) governing the country.

            Union bosses are elected by the membership of the union.

            Just like the 'boss' of a political party (e.g. the house and senate leaders/minority leaders, PMs, etc.) are elected by the members of their party and not the general public.

          2. YetAnotherLocksmith Silver badge

            Re: Tesla should deal

            You should read at least a little about unions before you embarrass yourself like that. It's not like a company. The leaders are voted in and out by the membership. You know, like a democracy. Only it is every one or two years, not twice a decade. And the union leadership can't just decide to have a different leader without asking the membership, unlike the UK PM hot seat.

    3. DS999 Silver badge

      Re: Tesla should deal

      If it really was 90% he would have let them vote, and excitedly tweet about his "win" the moment the results were announced.

      The fact he's fighting so hard shows that the 90% is complete fiction. Sweden is a very pro union country, that seems very unlikely to be the case. Even if the vote would be close, all this fighting he's doing is likely to push those who aren't looking to unionize to reconsider. They would have to ask themselves, what is he so afraid of that is causing him to fight so hard?

      1. veti Silver badge

        Re: Tesla should deal

        Yep, Musk opposing unionisation is like Putin opposing expansion of NATO...

        If he were even slightly sincere in what he says, we wouldn't be in this position.

      2. abend0c4 Silver badge

        Re: Tesla should deal

        What seems to be happening here is that Tesla is defending a "principle" - that there should be no collective bargaining anywhere in its operations. It is reported that the local company withdrew from negotiations with IF Metall on that basis.

        However, it's a really small number of people who are involved - originally around 120 who work at Tesla-owned repair shops. That's been extended to around 600, to include mechanics at third-party garages who will refuse to work on Tesla models. Also, port workers are refusing to offload Tesla cars and electricians are reportedly refusing to repair charging stations.

        This does seem to be the kind of mess that you get yourself into when you're determined to stand on a dubious principle. It's also not great publicity at a time when Tesla's Model Y had just become the top-selling Swedish car.

        Interestingly, other Swedish employers are also keen for Tesla to adopt the country's de facto labour model as they see refusal as a form of unfair competition. Around 90% of Sweden's employees are covered by collective bargaining. Ironically, it's perhaps one of the reasons Swedes can afford Teslas.

        1. jmch Silver badge

          Re: Tesla should deal

          "Ironically, it's perhaps one of the reasons Swedes can afford Teslas."

          Absolutely this!! Trickle-down theory is exactly what it says on the tin - there's people up, there's people down, money should be hosed on to those at the top, and the flow from up to down is a trickle. Not a flood, not a stream, just whatever can escape the water(money)tight dams that the high-ups erect to keep their billions. The result is a very high GDP per capita because the average is highly skewed, while the median is so far away from being able to afford to buy a Tesla that it's tragic.

          1. YetAnotherLocksmith Silver badge

            Re: Tesla should deal

            You should see how bad it is it countries without strong unions then!

            In the UK, those first few hundred workers would likely never have been able to get out on strike legally in the first place. And everything from there on would've been illegal.

            So the first group would've been outsourced by now. Replacing 150 or so workers is literally everyday in the UK.

          2. Lars Silver badge
            Happy

            Re: Tesla should deal

            @jmch

            Speaking about GDP per capita, a look at it can surprise some readers here.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

            1. jmch Silver badge

              Re: Tesla should deal

              @Lars - Interesting links, but not unsurprising per se. You have:

              - Tax havens / Offshore financial services

              - Oil or resource-rich states

              - Micro states (small population means that any small external input is amplified in the per capita values because of small population)

              (or various combinations of the above 3)

              In the first 2, a lot of the GDP values are either moving other people's money around or concentrated in the hands of a few people, so the actual standard of living of most of the population will not be as high as can be thought of from their position on the list (though still pretty high) eg Ireland, Luxembourg

              The others are countries who, while they might have some elements from the above, also have strong industrial / manufacturing bases and relatively large populations, meaning that the high position on the list is more likely to be reflected in real standard of living of most of the population (unsurprisingly Switzerland, the US, and a bunch of Western European countries). If there was a surprise to me, it's how low Australia and Japan are, and how high Guyana is.

              And pretty depressing to see that the top ones are more than 100X more than the bottom ones

              1. Headley_Grange Silver badge

                Re: Tesla should deal

                The way the wealth is shared is also important. If you take out London's contribution (mostly banking) then the UK has a GDP on a par with Mississippi and Mississippi's GDP is growing faster than the UKs. One report I read said that the UK could better be described as a developing country with a few very wealthy people. 50 families in the UK between them are wealthier than the bottom 50% of the population by wealth.

                1. Terry 6 Silver badge

                  Re: Tesla should deal

                  A lot of this goes back to the Thatcher years. There was a real focus on the UK deindustrialising and becoming a service based economy. And pretty much the only way that makes serious money for the nation (i.e. exports) is with financial services.

                  Anything else is just, to use a phrase memorable at the time, "people holding doors open for each other".

                  So in the 21stC we earn our keep by providing a safe hiding place for oligarchs and crooked dictators/politicians to launder money. Most of which takes place in and around London.

      3. Lars Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: Tesla should deal

        One thing to remember is that unions aren't that often connected to some specific company and Tesla is not a big company in Sweden. I am not sure about what this is about among people working for Tesla.

        Perhaps Musk is living in the age of Henry Ford equally keen to send gifts to the "Hitler" of today like Henry was.

      4. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: Tesla should deal

        "Even if the vote would be close, all this fighting he's doing is likely to push those who aren't looking to unionize to reconsider."

        Exactly.

        If the majority of the country's workers are represented by a union, Tesla would wind up as a pink monkey by fighting it.

        "The fact he's fighting so hard shows that the 90% is complete fiction. "

        That would be my guess and since I'm not in Sweden, it's very hard to gauge. I was mainly addressing why Elon would be fighting so hard against a vote if it was as that would be the crux of his problems, fighting against it.

    4. Youngone Silver badge

      Re: Tesla should deal

      I've seen some statements that claim the world is flat. It doesn't mean I should believe them.

    5. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

      Re: Tesla should deal

      WHy are you a champion for Musk ?

      Is he a champion for any cause that actually improves your life ?

    6. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: Tesla should deal

      I'd question the veracity of such sources. Collective bargaining is standard in Sweden and this kind of posturing will do Tesla no good there. If Musk doesn't like the labour practices in the country nobody will force him to do business there.

    7. Kevin O'Rourke

      Re: Tesla should deal

      Fortunately this is happening in Sweden, not the USA. There's no need for any votes or organising activities. Individuals are free to join the union, or not. You can't be prevented from joining a union by your employer strong-arming your colleagues into voting against unionisation.

      Everyone is covered by the collective agreement (at sane companies that are part of one) regardless of whether they're a union member.

  3. Mitoo Bobsworth

    Exponentially ridiculous

    Can't wait for the lawsuit where Musk sues the World for emotional distress when it finally gets fed up with tolerating his overbearing bullshit.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Exponentially ridiculous

      You've got to sympathise with him. It must get very confusing finding that you're the only man marching in step.

  4. Throatwarbler Mangrove Silver badge
    Thumb Up

    X

    "His personal social media platform" is spot on, and all press organs should adopt that terminology.

  5. FirstTangoInParis Bronze badge

    Welcome to Europe

    where workers actually have some rights under the law. Comes with the territory. If he doesn’t like it he can always build his factories where he can legally treat the staff like his personal slaves, like maybe some of the more right wing states of the US of A.

  6. jonathan keith
    Megaphone

    TLDR

    I was going to write a long and vitriolic screed about all this, but after stepping back for a moment and taking a couple of deep breaths, I realised that what I wanted to say would condense down to:

    "Just Fuck Off, Elon Musk."

    1. aerogems Silver badge
      IT Angle

      Re: TLDR

      How about "Twitler is a twat|wanker|racist|antisemite|grifter|whoreson|git|cockwomble" and you just pick any that are applicable to the situation, or add your own?

  7. aerogems Silver badge
    Facepalm

    FFS

    I can certainly understand why Tesla would be upset that there's this disruption in their ability to get cars to customers, but to try and make it seem like the union is targeting Tesla specifically is just more of the usual shite people have come to expect from anything involving Twitler. He's clearly not just already gone over the deep end, he's still in accelerating freefall and his Twitter-born insanity has spilled over into Tesla. His babysitters minders seem to be increasingly unable to rein him in.

    1. that one in the corner Silver badge

      Re: FFS

      > but to try and make it seem like the union is targeting Tesla specifically is just more of the usual shite people have come to expect from anything involving Twitler.

      But "the union"[1] *is* explicitly targeting Tesla, that is sort of the whole point! And more power to them.

      [1] which particular union you are referring to is a bit ambiguous, but from the one supporting the original group who are striking for better conditions, to all the ones acting in sympathy towards the first union, yes, they are all targeting Tesla.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: FFS

        But it is a union effectively making government policy. Suppose the US longshoreman decide they aren't unloading Volvos (officially cos of their Chinese owner and uighurs) or no Porsches (cos he was a Nazi)

        No, of course the USA hasn't banned the import of European cars, it's just legitimate worker's rights.

        1. parlei

          Re: FFS

          Not really. Sweden decided a long time ago that if unions and their industry (etc) counterparts come to mutual agreements there will be a stable situation that benefited the nation as well as both the workers and employers. The workers would not want to harm the companies that employ them, and the bosses have to actually bargain with en entity that has teeth and can hurt them if they step over the line. If all this was ruled by laws then you would get the well known game of "who has the most politicians in their pockets?". Which tend to give the workers the short end of the stick.

          So the main opponents are forces that really would want serfs rather than employees, but unfortunately can't do that any more.

        2. Charlie Clark Silver badge

          Re: FFS

          In much of Northern Europe the governments prefer to keep out of collective bargaining negotiations. This means less politics and more leeway for unions and employers to find agreements that suit the situation. Consensus generally means higher productivity and fewer days lost to strikesWe had a couple of decades of government involvement and this didn't work very well: politicians often made bad laws to look good.

          Don't forget that all tax returns are public so workers will know if they're earning more or less than their colleagues.

        3. Casca Silver badge

          Re: FFS

          No

        4. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: FFS

          > But it is a union effectively making government policy.

          What part of any of that is "government policy"?

          > Suppose the US longshoreman decide they aren't unloading Volvos (officially cos of their Chinese owner and uighurs)

          What of it? Workers withdrawing their labour in protest? How is that related to "making government policy"?

          Can you explain the supposed connection at all?

      2. aerogems Silver badge

        Re: FFS

        Yeah, the article is a little ambiguously worded. First read made it seem like the union was striking generally, not just targeting Tesla specifically.

      3. Headley_Grange Silver badge

        Re: FFS

        The union is targeting Tesla because it won't sign up to collective bargaining, not just because it's Tesla.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: FFS

          Yep, this is the consequence of Musk/Tesla's actions rather than "I don't like them" or "they've got deep pockets". They're targeted because it's their behaviour and refusal to work to norms in the local employment market that's being objected to.

          Attaching a negative connotation to that form of being "targeted" is like claiming a two-year old being told off was "targeted" after smearing shit on the walls. It's semantically correct, but intellectually dishonest to claim that the targeting itself is negative.

          As far as Tesla goes: I don't know, but I'd be willing to bet that Tesla localises it's pay-scales - it presumably doesn't apply a flat global rate of pay and (like most international employers) raises or lowers pay depending on the location. Why then, does it consider it acceptable to try and ignore other localised norms?

    2. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: FFS

      Are we reading the same article? The unions are targeting Tesla. That's the entire point of what they're trying to do, hence why they're not delivering license plates specifically to Tesla, not anyone else, and a different union is only refusing to unload Tesla vehicles. So when he says that Tesla is the target of the union's actions, he's completely right. Not that he does anything right after that bit, but that part of his statement appears undeniable. This makes me wonder why you express a different view. Did one of us miss an important fact here, or are you making a point I'm not understanding?

      1. trindflo Bronze badge

        Re: FFS

        I'd say the original point was the unions would do that to any manufacturer who attempted to bully Swedish citizens out of union representation. It wasn't being done because it was Tesla/Musk specfically.

    3. jmch Silver badge

      Re: FFS

      "I can certainly understand why Tesla would be upset that there's this disruption in their ability to get cars to customers, but to try and make it seem like the union is targeting Tesla specifically"

      My understanding on RTFA is that a large number of unions *ARE* targeting Tesla specifically, in solidarity with the one metalworking union representing Tesla employees that Tesla is unwilling to work with. And as the article also mentions, this is both legal in Swedish labour law, as well as a common occurrence in practice.

      Tesla is expecting to turn up in Sweden and shit all over its employees in the same way it does in the US, they are totally in the wrong and now they're throwing their toys out of the pram. That's what bullies do when someone stands up to them. Good for the Swedes!!

      EDIT - I see the topic has already been addressed more eloquently!!

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  9. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

    Its getting harder and harder to tell the difference between Putin and Musk..

    1. aerogems Silver badge
      Holmes

      One has the ability to arrange for "accidents" that involve falling from balconies or being poisoned. One can just sic legions of deluded morons on you and disable your car remotely.

      1. RedGreen925 Bronze badge

        "One has the ability to arrange for "accidents" that involve falling from balconies or being poisoned."

        Left out stay away from the windows....

      2. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

        I think you missed the point, its not what they do today, im simply stating that Musk would do the same as Putin if their positions were reversed.

        1. aerogems Silver badge
          Joke

          See icon

  10. SJA

    Postal Service

    Is it so inconceiveable that government employees actually do their job and deliver the plates themselves? I know, doing actual work as government employee seems such a far fetched idea...

    1. that one in the corner Silver badge

      Re: Postal Service

      > Is it so inconceiveable that government employees actually do their job and deliver the plates themselves?

      Huh? It is the job of the employees of the Transport Agency to go out and deliver the plates themselves? Should they be hand-delivering all their other postable items as well? That sounds like it might take rather a lot of their time away from getting on with the rest of their regulatory work.

      Or are you referring to the postal workers? PostNord is a state-owned company, but that doesn't make them "government employees" in any way that is different or special to employees of, say, any of the other parcel carriers (or even indicate *which* government they employees of - 40% of PostNord is owned by the Danish, so that is what - most of the posties' left hand sides?).

      Or are you just saying the postal workers shouldn't be allowed to strike?

      1. doublelayer Silver badge

        Re: Postal Service

        If I had to guess what they are asking, I'd hypothesize that they disapprove of specific targeted strikes. This is less common in various countries, where workers strike, not against their employer, but against somebody else they don't like, for example the postal workers refusing to deliver because they don't like Tesla but they don't have any strike against the postal company going on. I'm not entirely sure that's what they were saying, but it is my best guess.

      2. SJA

        Re: Postal Service

        If you know that the postal service won't deliver the plates, it's your job as government agency to make sure the tax paying company gets the plates.

        1. TheWeetabix Bronze badge

          Re: Postal Service

          Brave of you to assume Tesla pays taxes

          1. SJA

            Re: Postal Service

            Why wouldn't Tesla pay taxes?

            1. TheWeetabix Bronze badge

              Re: Postal Service

              Because American companies regularly stick portions of their company in tax havens to avoid paying the tax that they should on the resources that they consume in America. Ditto for Canadian companies.

        2. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

          Re: Postal Service

          Why are you a champion for Musk ? Is he a champion for you ?

          1. SJA

            Re: Postal Service

            Is it too much to ask that the government employees and postal services employees do their job that they are paid for?

            1. Headley_Grange Silver badge

              Re: Postal Service

              "Is it too much to ask that the government employees and postal services employees do their job that they are paid for?"

              It is if the medium-term prospect is the undermining of your working conditions and pay. If Tesla get away with it with their employess then sooner or later someone will come after the postal workers' jobs. It's called "union" for a reason.

              Working for the UK Post Office used to be a good enough job to support a family and retire with a decent pension. Then companies like Amazon, Hermes, DPD came in with zero hours and fake contractor jobs. Unlike the Post office they don't pay national insurance, holiday pay, sick pay, etc. and can treat people like crap becase they are not "workers". Because they don't have these costs they can undercut the Post Office and people don't seem to care that their courier is treated like shit and provides a shit service as long as it's cheap. Pretty soon the Post Office (which still has to deliver domestic letters by law, for the sampe price irrespective of distance and is penalized if they miss targets) will be out of business and every delivery to your house will be by a courier whose delivery targets are so tight that they don't even have time to knock on the door.

              Of course, in the long term we'll get to the stage where this generation's workers want to retire and have no workplace pension and the workers that are left are earning so little that they don't pay enough tax to pay them a state pension. I guess the likes of Musk will be making their billions in euthanization services by then.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Postal Service

                To be fair, in times gone by various sectors like this had a "decent pension" because their workers were on gilt-edged defined benefit schemes that private sector workers could vaguely recall as distant memories. These schemes were "decent" because they were also largely unaffordable, saddling the companies with massive financial obligations they could ill-afford.

                1. Headley_Grange Silver badge

                  Re: Postal Service

                  Final salary pensions worked fine from the end of the second world war to the mid 00s. Three things killed them: Thatcher taxed surpluses that companies built up in good times to fund the bad ones*, Brown removed dividend tax relief and in the mid-90s the financial rules changed requiring companies to show pension liabilities on their balance sheets. The first two affected the size and performance of the funds, but were surviveable. The last one was the killer. It meant that companies had to treat their pension funds as if they were a single-year investment, not a long term investment which would recover from short term losses. This forced them to keep the pensions topped up on an annual basis, so they binned their final salary pensions and went to defined contribution which took the pension "risk" off the books. A system that worked fine for 60 years was killed by a combination of greedy governments of both colours and a badly thought out accounting rule. I'm sort of alright, Jack, but anyone under about 30 will end up paying dear by having to work into their 70s or 80s paying much higher taxes just to pay the state pensions of the generation behind me when they retire with bugger all in their personal pension pots.

                  *this meant that companies with pension surpluses took payment holidays. I had at least two years when neither I nor the company put any money in. This was a stupid disincentive because the surplus one year will cover the stockmarket fall and deficit next year. Pensions are multi-year investments.

                  (I didn't downvote you.)

        3. veti Silver badge

          Re: Postal Service

          I'm reasonably sure they offer choices for how you want your plates delivered. Does Volvo get them through the post as well? I suspect there's an option for Tesla to send a truck to pick them up directly, if it could be bothered...

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Postal Service

            The intend to, unfortunately it's a Cybertruck - even the USPS would be there sooner

        4. Cynical Pie

          Re: Postal Service

          Elon, is that you?

          1. YetAnotherLocksmith Silver badge

            Re: Postal Service

            Aw, he downvoted you!

        5. Cynical Pie

          Re: Postal Service

          Except its not.

          Its their job to produce the number plates and send them out. Their responsibility ends at that point.

          If the postal service choose not to deliver them that is an issue for the postal service.

          1. SJA

            Re: Postal Service

            They government agency also has to make sure that the right people get the plates - and currently they don't. So if their chosen delivery method does not work, the government agency has to use different means.

        6. Charlie Clark Silver badge

          Re: Postal Service

          Tesla can go and collect them.

          1. YetAnotherLocksmith Silver badge

            Re: Postal Service

            They can't, any more than you could go collect yours. Safety and security, for one thing. It gets posted out - that's actually written in the law, as well as them having to use the state postal system.

            (Clearly someone saw how the tories operate, and banned future anyone from making a mint by inserting themselves as a very expensive exclusive numberplate courier!)

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Postal Service

              Exactly this. Transportstyrelsen is working as expected here, it's PostNord that is not delivering them. The union there was notified that this would impact Tesla sales and responded with "Noted".

              Unions _can_ make a difference and, here in Sweden, it's not unusual to be a member of one.

            2. Charlie Clark Silver badge

              Re: Postal Service

              It does say this: The Swedish Transport Agency has now received an interim decision from the Norrköping district court to consent within 7 days to Tesla collecting license plates directly from our sign manufacturer. It appears from the decision that our sign manufacturer has announced that it is prepared to provide the signs directly to Tesla.

        7. fajensen

          Re: Postal Service

          Instead of making shit up, you could explain where where it says that in the law?

    2. Terry 6 Silver badge

      Re: Postal Service

      Is that a nasty dig at civil servants or at industrial action?

      1. fajensen
        Pint

        Re: Postal Service

        Gammon on the lose, and it's not even Friday

    3. fajensen

      Re: Postal Service

      Is it so inconceiveable that government employees actually do their job and deliver the plates themselves?

      Their job is to manufacture and deliver the plates to Postnord, who has been awarded the contract for distribution of the plates. Which, they are doing.

      So, you don't know, but have "ideas"?!

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Could there be more local motivation to this strike?

    The Trollhättan factory and what was left of NEVS is now owned by a Swedish company. They are supposed to be showing a new car at a Swedish car show in early December.

  12. Forget It
    Pint

    Elon's Musketeers

    that made my morning

  13. WaveyDavey

    Free collective bargaining FTW. This article (and Sweden's union's activities) bring me joy.

  14. Winkypop Silver badge
    Thumb Up

    Musk creates his own bad weather

    May the storm intensify.

    Long live the Workers.

  15. Lars Silver badge
    Thumb Up

    Heja Sverige

    And regarding you Brits you would all do better if you had guys like Mick Lynch in government rather than trash people like Boris and Mogg and more or less the rest of them.

    And you would earn more per capita too, most likely.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Heja Sverige

      Official UK Backbench MP salary £86,584

      Mick Lynch income £120,000 with perks (from numerous sources) - although he claims his salary was only £84,178 last year - ignoring all the other perks.

      So someone buggering up the country gets paid more than someone else buggering up the country.

      Hmmm....

      Nice gravy train if you can get on it - but as the father of a commuter, I can state that getting on a train is a relief with so many cancelled. (And no early trains on a Sunday so I have to drive her a 100 mile round trip to start work.)

      1. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge

        Re: Heja Sverige

        I'll just leave this here since we're comparing union bosses pay

        Arriva chief executive Dr Manfred Rudhart took an 18 percent pay rise from £1.1 million to £1.34 million in early 2020

  16. Xalran

    Unions are not optional

    Elon forgot a small detail in that mess... in Sweden, Unions are not optional, to the point that companies can't do anything affecting employees without their agreement.

    Another thing : European Workers Unions are not like American ones. And a given union in a country can cover lots of jobs in many branches of the industry.

    ( for example : a given car maker union is jusst a branch of the wider metallurgy union which is just a branch of an union that covers everything tied to the industry... But that also has branches in banking, TV, and more )

  17. AbeSapian

    Thank You

    Thank you The Register for finally calling X what it really is -Musk's personal social media site.

  18. AbeSapian

    Thank You Sweden

    Thank you Sweden for slapping that spoiled brat, Musk, down. It's been long overdue.

    Now maybe turn your attention to Jeff Bezos as well. He could use a good heart to heart.

    1. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: Thank You Sweden

      "Now maybe turn your attention to Jeff Bezos as well. He could use a good heart to heart."

      You do realize that Jeff has stepped down from day-to-day management of Amazon and mostly plays with rockets these days?

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I do, I do, I do, I do, I do

    I love these Swedish workers.

    It’s not all about the money money money.

    Someone should ring ring Musk and tell him the winner takes it all

    1. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: I do, I do, I do, I do, I do

      "Someone should ring ring Musk and tell him the winner takes it all"

      In some fights you lose just by getting into the fight in the first place.

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