Rocky Linux and Oracle Unbreakable Linux also hit 9.3

The main players among the RHEL rebuilders have caught up… but it's possibly too soon to tell if this market is going to survive Red Hat's moves. Even in the fast-moving world of online journalism, deadlines still bite, and the very day that we brought you the news of RHEL 9.3 and AlmaLinux 9.3, Oracle also put out its …

[Gene Cash]

RPM dependency hell

> remarkably as it sounds to users of other distros, wasn't a built-in function of RHEL in the old days

The inability of RedHat Package Manager to sort out dependencies and download them from a repository was what originally forced me to switch to Debian decades ago. I saw someone do "apt dist-upgrade" and my eyeballs fell out.

That's another reason I'm pissed people are slavishly following RedHat's idiocies, like adopting systemd. I know the other distros can do their own thing better, because they have in the past.

Not only have I tossed Debian on the desktop and adopted Devuan, but this weekend I installed Devuan on my Raspberry Pis that perform various functions around here.

[captain veg]

Re: RPM dependency hell

Same here.

My first proper foray into Linux was Red Hat (after a Slackware dabble), but I really couldn't get on with Gnome, so I jumped to SuSE which was big on KDE in those days. I liked KDE a lot, and YaST too, but all too often it just gave up on resolving package dependencies and insisted on manual intervention. Which is understandable, but annoying. Much more than annoying was that version upgrades almost always ended up with no GUI at best, or an unbootable system. So I tried the emerging Ubuntu thing, and APT seemed, by comparison to be completely indestructible. I've moved to Mint and Debian now, and can't see any reason to ever go back the the RH ecosystem.

-A.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: RPM dependency hell

People aren’t “Slavishly following Red Hat idiocies”, they’re running enterprise applications that aren’t supported on other distros. Some of us are doing more than spinning up a simple development environment / web server.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: RPM dependency hell

Due respect to Devuan, I can't help wishing that Debian had not joined the systemD movement in the first place.

And not that I use Ubuntu much, previously or lately, but I would have liked to see Ubuntu follow Debian in *not* doing systemD.

Then there would have been 2 real differentiators between the main Linux families: deb or rpm, and systemD or not.

We'll never know what might have happened as a result, but given Red Hat's shenanigans (before and since IBM), I like to think a non-systemD Debian family tree might have attracted even more interest and converts than it already has.

[YetAnotherXyzzy]

RHELatives

If I could upvote articles, I would for that wonderful word.

[Liam Proven]

Re: RHELatives

[Author here]

> If I could upvote articles, I would for that wonderful word.

*Big grin* Oh good!

Spread the word. Tell all your friend. Let's make this a thing. ;-)

Those of you with more than one friend probably don't talk about operating systems over dinner, but tell them anyway.

[Will Godfrey]

Re: RHELatives

Spoken with a particularly breathy 'H'

[Will Godfrey]

Another Devuaneer here.

I did try {cough} RedFat some {mmmfty}{mmmff} years ago, but pretty much instantly dumped it. It seems a massive resource hog for little, if any, benefit.

[Santa from Exeter]

A bit late to the party

The article states 'something which, remarkably as it sounds to users of other distros, wasn't a built-in function of RHEL in the old days'

The Old Days is right, leapp upgrades have been available for a while now, you can leapp from RHEL7 to RHEL8 reliably.