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NASA has fired up its Deep Space Optical Communications (DSOC) aboard the agency's Psyche spacecraft and received test data from nearly 10 million miles (16 million kilometers) away. At first glance, the achievement isn't all that much. Sure, that's approximately 40 times farther than the Moon is from the Earth, but other …

  1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

    Great work!

    Please, this standardisation on US units is insane when it comes to science which sticks with SI and derived units for a reason. 10^9 m should either be expressed as km or using astronomical units (light seconds, minutes etc.) when distances get really, well, astronomical.

    But let this rant not detract from what really is a fantastic achievement!

    1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

      Re: Great work!

      The original article states both units. Even more weird: Throughout United States of America it seems to be a law for more than a decade to state both units everywhere? So the transition to metric is on the way and will probably finished in 150 years since it is not forced to abandon the imperial system, like they could in monarchy or dictatorship countries. 150 years as "will take two generations".

      1. PRR Silver badge

        Re: Great work!

        > Throughout United States of America it seems to be a law for more than a decade to state both units everywhere?

        Never heard of that one. Yes, both-systems is routine on beer/soda and some other packaged goods, but to some degree this is to recognize our various cultures (there are a LOT of good Hispanic buyers in Texas and California).

        1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

          Re: Great work!

          That doesn't work that way. Unless it is mandatory companies won't invest money in "recognize various cultures". So guess what? *I* am right.

          Actually sad that *I* have to go on USA wikipedia to pull the facts here whereas those, who are obviously from the United States of America and should know better than me, voting me down for know enough about their own proud home country, even refusing to check this tiny bit.

          Wikipedia, Metrication in the United States, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_the_United_States

          1975, Metric Conversion Act of 1975, https://usma.org/laws-and-bills/metric-conversion-act-of-1975

          What is going on here? I am from Germany, and even I knew "law for more than a decade", where as nearly five decades seem to be the truth. But the comments on this little part tells me "will take 250 years".

          Normally I hate to be this type of commentard, but there is a limit of wrong BS to accept. And no, I won't expand that abbreviation.

          Oh, and don't forget to downvote be for "being offensive directly" without "talking around the bush" or "soften the blow". We Germans are direct, and it is our way to be polite because wasting someones time by "beating around the bush" is seen as offensive here.

          1. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

            Re: Great work!

            I'll bite. Couldn't care less whether you're "right" or not, have a downvote for being obnoxious.

            Note for future reference: it's possible to be direct without being a dick. And don't blame it on your culture; I work with Dutch and Israeli clients, both are WAY more direct than Germans yet generally manage to communicate without causing offence.

          2. RedGreen925 Bronze badge

            Re: Great work!

            "Metric Conversion Act of 1975, https://usma.org/laws-and-bills/metric-conversion-act-of-1975"

            Here in Canada it was two years earlier for the law that was passed to do it, that was actually enforced and mandated to be used everywhere. It did not take long for it to be done as people had no choice in the matter but to use it. And as always the parasite corporations took it as the cue to thieve our money on the size transitions, always rounding down for smaller size same or higher price, same as they have continued to do up until this day. Plus ca change, plus ce la même chose.

            1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

              Re: Great work!

              The recent war near here doubled the effect: Price going up AND package content going down, as far as food is concerned.

          3. Spherical Cow Silver badge
            FAIL

            Re: Great work!

            Thank you for posting the link to the Wikipedia article which proves you are wrong: the 1975 law clearly says it is NOT mandatory to put both units on packaging.

            1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

              Re: Great work!

              Thank you for not understanding the second link. It is not written literally that both units must be there, however to meet "(2) to require that each Federal agency, by a date certain and to the extent economically feasible by the end of the fiscal year 1992, use the metric system of measurement in its procurements, grants, and other business-related activities" they must put it on there else they will have no federal business at all. And since even "controlling whether the amount of content matched the description on the box" is a federal activity no one will risk this. The whole "metric conversion act" implies metric usage all over the place everywhere for any federal purposes.

              If you want to stay in business you don't fight such federal definitions, you use the least resistant / most common consensus between what federal demands and what the people are used to: You use both measurements to drive away none. This not only applies to food, it applies to kitchen appliances, fuel, speedometer in cars and so on. Counterexample: For US speed signs it was not adopted since the con still outweights the pros, as the law itself states by using the phrase "economically feasible" and other wordings of bad side effects of confusion of such a change. This might change in a few decades though, so the speed signs might get replaced around 2050 as earliest, i.e. when "a complete generation from birth to death has gone since the act was instated".

          4. PRR Silver badge
            Unhappy

            Re: Great work!

            > So guess what? *I* am right.

            I apologize for being wrong, for making the UISA look bad, and for getting you so upset.

            1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

              Re: Great work!

              > for making the UISA look bad

              This is not what I did. Just 'cause a fraction of the population are morons does not mean everyone is. You don't need to play the "I apologize for all my American people you offended" just because you are offended card.

      2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Great work!

        "like they could in monarchy or dictatorship countries."

        You seem to be very parochial. Have you ever been outside the USA? Something you may not be aware of, but the US is one of only two countries IN THE WORLD to have not gone metric yet.

        150 years as "will take two generations".

        A generation in human terms is normally regarded as about 20-30 years, ie the time it takes a person to grow up and propagate the next generation and is very imprecise as a measure, worse even than converting metric to imperial :-)

        1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

          Re: Great work!

          > Have you ever been outside the USA? ....US is one of only two countries....

          I've never been INSIDE United Stated of America. How do you come to that conclusion? And of course I know that Burma is the other one. I am from Europe, pretty much the central country now (previously know as the split EU Non-EU country).

          As for generations I refer to "complete from birth to death" cycles, so I may have been a bit ambiguous by your standards. There are things that only change when the old people are gone. See the change of alcohol consumption culture in the last few years in EU.

      3. Charlie Clark Silver badge

        Re: Great work!

        Just copying what the original article says doesn't make it right, including the moon-earth comparison, multiple of AU would have been better (about 9, I think).

        And this isn't just dogmatic metric versus imperial; it's what's used in the field.

    2. Paul Crawford Silver badge

      Re: Great work!

      Also you might note that the article in El Reg, or indeed the press release, is not say what speeds were actually achieved. Just woolly words about being faster:

      “DSOC was designed to demonstrate 10 to 100 times the data-return capacity of state-of-the-art radio systems used in space today”

      What makes of radio systems? At what distances? FFS just tell us what speeds?

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Great work!

      Looks like you're a good customer for this T shirt.

      I rather like the Oz directness - also, I agree :).

      I acknowledge that the transition is a pain, though - we thought going from individual currencies to Euros was bad*..

      * Which hasn't really changed anything, now we have UK Pounds, Euros and Swiss Francs..

  2. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

    Impressive.

    Yes Voyager can be received too, but at the distance of Voyager anyone on any of our inner planets (yes, including Jupiter) can receive the signal. Jupiter because its orbit is below the 2° limit another article at Nasa mentioned as precision limit for the voyager antenna to receive a signal. Saturn is is beyond that limit, at least half of the time.

    Doing the same with laser is another dimension of precision, I suspect they need to more precise then "just earth", rather "which region of earth". I would love to know what size the beam has one it arrives here, but that details is not even in the original article. Maybe just a few hundred km, or less than 100 km? maybe less than 10? Each size difference makes a huge difference on the precision to aim, on top of the "moving objects" problem the original article mentioned.

    @Reg: Nice article!

    1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

      Re: Impressive.

      You can deliberately diverge the beam to make pointing less critical, but that of course negates the link advantage of using light (wavelength in the um range) instead of radio (in the cm range) for any low rate missions.

      And no, at that distance it is not "high rate" by near-Earth standards. For near-Earth use laser comms promises a lot higher data rate than radio as you can have many, many, GHz of modulation bandwidth that is simply not available in most of the usable radio spectrum, here the advantage is the sharp focus of the laser in delivering enough power where (hopefully) you are listening and not elsewhere.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Impressive.

        A perfect diffraction limited system (ignoring laser beam coherence and beam waist stuff) the angle it spreads out by only depends on the size of the transmitting telescope and the wavelength.

        So call it 1um infrared wavelength and a 1m telescope (7llinguini = about the biggest you could reasonably put on a space probe and point accurately)

        That gives you an angle of 1 in 1million, so a 1km wide spot at 1M km (or should that be 1Gm ?) or 16km at 10M mi

        Make the telescope a compact 1 Linguni ( 14cm ) and you have a beam 6-7km wide per million km

        Of course that's the best case, you can always make it wider by buying a cheaper mirror or being a bit more cack-handed during assembly. Interestingly the atmosphere has a much smaller affect looking down than looking up at stars. Since you only get the wibbly-wobbly atmospheric turbulence when the light is almost at its destination it doesn't have time to bend out of the way much.

        1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

          Re: Impressive.

          Thanks for digging that up. I know the beam does get wider and it cannot be prevented by design and quantum effects, but I was lost in the numbers how much.

  3. Bitsminer Silver badge

    1, 2, 3, ...

    The detector on earth is a 5.1m telescope with a "photon counting detector". When the transmitter is out Jupiter's way, not too many photons will be arriving.

    One little piggy, two little piggies, three little piggies, four.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: 1, 2, 3, ...

      The nice thing is that you can make the receiving dish at Earth, and your transmitting laser, as big as you want ($$$$) to allow for the smaller telescope and lower power at the remote end

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: 1, 2, 3, ...

        Might want to use at a minimum a shark rated laser you can dial it up to puncture annoying things that get in the way.

        Starlink has enough satellites up anyway.

        :)

  4. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge
    Alien

    Please state the nature of your emergency

    Scientists: We found the least noisy IR frequency, modulated it with the least noisy intermediate frequency, then modulated that again with the least noisy bandwidth for signal encoding.

    Aliens: Yes, it's free of noise because it's reserved for distress calls. Please stop sending JP2 images and telemetry.

  5. NickHolland
    Joke

    well, that explains it...

    So that's why my cat suddenly went crazy a few days ago...Lasers from space!

    1. Annihilator
      Coat

      Re: well, that explains it...

      And sadly a pilot trying to land at Heathrow was momentarily blinded.

  6. Neil Barnes Silver badge
    Pint

    Nice to see science catching up with science fiction

    As far as I can see, Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle used this mechanism in the seventies in The Mote in God's Eye (and invented the mobile phone as computer at the same time!)

    So one of these both for NASA and Niven (sadly too late for Pournelle) --->

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
      Thumb Up

      Re: Nice to see science catching up with science fiction

      Fyunch(click)

  7. gecho

    So they probably need to calculate where the spacecraft is expected to be when the light arrives in order to lead the target.

    1. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

      The equation you are lookin for

      Wave length (1.55µm) times beam width is about telescope diameter times separation (1.6E9m)

      Psyche telescope diameter = .22m: width = 11km

      Earth transmitter diameter = 1m: width = 2.5km

      Earth receiver diameter = 5m: width = 500m

      As Psyche is moving a few km per second the Earth telescopes must be pointing in slightly different directions. Psyche receive is probably a little off center but Earth can carry a much more powerful laser.

  8. Mike Flex

    NASA's Deep Space Optical Communications received test data from nearly 10 million miles away

    That's nice. Any chance of OpenReach providing a fibre optic connection from their cabinet ¼ mile away?

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: NASA's Deep Space Optical Communications received test data from nearly 10 million miles away

      Give them a NASA equivalent budget for the project and maybe, just maybe, there will be enough left over from the bonuses and partying to manage it

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    MTG's worst fear coming true

    Space Karen, meet Space Lasers.

  10. Zebo-the-Fat

    Optical

    I suppose, strictly speaking Semaphore flags are optical communication!

    Seriously well done to everyone involved, next thing is space will be shark lasers!

  11. Arthur the cat Silver badge

    "the significantly tighter waves of near-infrared light mean … more data"

    I'm still waiting for NASA to use their X-ray modulator for space communication. GHz modulated X-rays FTW!

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: "the significantly tighter waves of near-infrared light mean … more data"

      Real extra-galactic civilisations use neutrino modulation, that way you always get good reception inside building (and inside planets)

    2. Paul Crawford Silver badge

      Re: "the significantly tighter waves of near-infrared light mean … more data"

      Interesting, but quite hard to make an X-ray telescope / receiver to match (compared to radio / optical)!

      1. Arthur the cat Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: "the significantly tighter waves of near-infrared light mean … more data"

        That's just SMOP (Small Matter Of Physics)

  12. ravenviz Silver badge

    Let's talk instant

    Of course the ultimate will be instant communication creatively using quantum entanglement. A mole of quantum entangled neutrons is enough capacity for 100 times all of stored data (in 2017 according to Wolfram Alpha).

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Let's talk instant

      Fastest communication is by modulate royalty

      1. ravenviz Silver badge

        Re: Let's talk instant

        I'm not sure William the Conqueror knew much about Planck time, but the intention was clear!

  13. s. pam
    WTF?

    Fabulous, but…

    When the hell will the U.K. mobile operators be able to provide a reliable stable signal between Maidenhead and Reading? If we can 10M miles why the @#£&*( can’t we do 5 miles?

    1. Dagg Silver badge

      Re: Fabulous, but…

      Hey stop moaning! At least you guys don't has Australian Optus!

      1. ravenviz Silver badge

        Re: Fabulous, but…

        Is that a type of marsupial?

        1. Jan 0 Silver badge

          Re: Fabulous, but…

          I think it's an embarrassing fungal infection.

          1. Ken Shabby

            Re: Fabulous, but…

            Breaking news: They just got rid of it!

  14. Adam JC

    Hold on, so NASA can get two-way communication with a fricking laser over 10 MILLION miles away on a moving target, but I can't get enough mobile phone reception to even make a call, living within 5 miles of a major city centre!? :-(

    1. Rich 11 Silver badge

      Unlike Psyche, you'll have to demolish all the buildings in your way.

    2. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

      Of course not! Why should you have a 1'000'000th grade of NASA service close to a major city? Why should it be better than here? (OK I am among those lucky enough to be in a place where that is not a problem, but I don't have to move far to face the same....)

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