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Tesla's threats to sue Cybertruck buyers who resell their vehicles appear to be nothing but hot air, with the language removed from the Musk-owned automaker's terms and conditions just days after it appeared. As we reported on Monday, Tesla's Motor Vehicle Order Agreement terms and conditions [PDF] were updated to add a …

  1. gecho

    Tesla wanted to limit the flipping of Cybertrucks to the road.

    1. Lee D Silver badge

      They wanted to ensure there could only be one bad review and disappointed customer per vehicle.

      1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

        They wanted free advertising.

  2. Gordon 10

    Why on earth would you want one.

    Its Musk's version of the Homer or the Edsel.

    1. Lurko

      Because it has the brand "Tesla" on it, and for a subset of humanity, that alone is enough. They're like football fans - put the right logo on anything and they'll buy it.

      Worked example 1:

      Normal corporate branded bottle opener: Free

      Tesla branded bottle opener sold by the official tesla shop: $50

      Worked example 2:

      Normal dog poop: Worthless

      Tesla branded dog poop, sold by the official Tesla shop: $$$

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        re: for a subset of humanity

        Ah... you mean the "Cult of Musk".

        The question still remains...

        If you buy a Tesla of any type, who really owns it? Tesla/Emperor Elon the Magnificent, can brick your vehicle at will.

        To me, they are very bland blobs with 4-wheels.

        1. jake Silver badge

          Re: re: for a subset of humanity

          "To me, they are very bland blobs with 4-wheels."

          When I were a lad they used to sell blocks of bass wood for whittling, pre-printed with a side, top and front view of the printed object. The concept was that you would remove the wood outside the lines and eventually wind up with a fish, or a bunny, or a gnome, or whathaveyou. Some of the more expensive versions had the bulk of the material removed with a bandsaw, just to get you on your way.

          The cybertruck looks like a pickup version of one of those pre-bandsawed blanks. It's unfinished, has no soul, and is boring to look at.

          Note that I'm not I'm not pooh-poohing whittling ... far from it. I still have a chess set I made in the 1960s ... and I still hand carve all my wooden spoons & etc. It's a good, handy skill for any kid to learn. Recommended.

          Not that today's kids would be allowed to do something as dangerous as learning to use sharp knives ...

          1. Great Bu

            Re: re: for a subset of humanity

            "Not that today's kids would be allowed to do something as dangerous as learning to use sharp knives ... "

            They do if you live in the US of A - my kids both whittled in scouts from the age of about 7, in between also doing welding, leather branding and, of course, shooting with all manner of guns.....

      2. DS999 Silver badge

        That subset is a lot smaller than it was a couple years ago though. The biggest fans of Tesla - as far as actually owning the cars - tend to be mostly liberal. He's totally alienated those people, and the people he has now endeared himself to mostly don't believe global warming is a thing and have little desire to own an EV.

        1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

          "Go anti-woke, go broke", then?

          1. Jedit Silver badge
            Headmaster

            "Go anti-woke, go broke", then?

            It's always projection. And if Musk projected any more he'd have to legally change his name to IMAX.

          2. DS999 Silver badge

            Well he's going all-in on being anti woke with his overtly anti semitic tweets today. I expect to see something about major advertisers calling quits on Twitter soon, and Musk will of course double down on his tweets when that news comes out and make things worse.

      3. grantmasterflash

        Tesla fans remind me a lot of Taylor Swift fans. Musk is probably sitting in his office right now trying to figure out how to get his customers to buy a second car that's identical to the first but just with different color visors.

      4. David Hicklin Bronze badge

        > Because it has the brand "Tesla" on it

        And is it just me that has noticed that Tesla drivers have replaced all the Audi, BMW etc drivers as the Nutcases on the roads ???

        1. Jedit Silver badge
          Boffin

          "... the Nutcases on the roads"

          I don't know about that, as where I am there don't appear to be any Tesla drivers.

          However, I have a theory about why the drivers of certain types of car are always the biggest assholes on the road. They were Beemer drivers, then all of a sudden they were Audi drivers. And the change occurred at around the same time that Audis took over from BMWs as the high end company car of choice. So you have a bunch of officer-level corporate types - who are naturally predisposed to be assholes to begin with - and they're driving a generally powerful car that 1) they're not overly familiar with because they don't drive it all the time and 2) they don't personally own or have to pay the repairs for. These are all factors in making someone an inconsiderate and poor driver; they don't care about anyone else, they don't care about their car, and they don't know how to drive it properly anyway. If a company were to adopt Teslas as their executive fleet car, they'd no doubt be assholes for the same reasons.

          1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

            Re: "... the Nutcases on the roads"

            I suspect there's some truth to this. In general, people who don't care about other motorists or their own cars will be poor, or at least discourteous, drivers; and those behaviors likely also encourage buying cars as toys or status symbols.

            I do have to admit though that around these parts, while I see a Tesla or two on most trips into town, I haven't had any issues with their drivers. Far more annoying are the visitors from some of our larger states attempting to maneuver their enormous king-cab pickup trucks and maxi-sized SUVs around our old, narrow, twisting roads.

        2. Vometia has insomnia. Again. Silver badge

          No, me too. The usual thing with expensive cars where the indicators are an optional extra, and that they're only legally allowed to drive when extremely drunk: nothing else would explain the erratic speeds and being all over the road. Actually, it's Autopilot crap might explain that.

    2. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

      Musk could at least have stumped up for the paid version of the 3D design software that doesn't have a polygon limit. I'm surprised the wheels aren't triangular.

      1. Roland6 Silver badge

        Probably find the CAD department is registered as a school/college so can get the academic discounts…

    3. Youngone Silver badge

      It's a ThunderCougarFalconBird

      1. jake Silver badge

        "ThunderCougarFalconBird"

        I believe that was the prototype name of the absolutely awful Mustang Mach-E ...

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      The thing about the Cybertruck is that I would have wanted one when I was 6.... It looks like it could have been featured as a vehicle in an early 1980's piece of science fiction.

      Unfortunately for Tesla, I'm now 48.

      1. quxinot

        Given the panel gaps, I wouldn't have wanted one when I was 6, either.

        1. VicMortimer Silver badge

          EVERYTHING had huge panel gaps when I was 6 - it was the 1970s. That was just how cars were built back then.

          And if there was 2-tone paint, you just had to open the door to see the overspray and where the paint thickness was different at the tape lines.

          Nobody but Tesla builds them like they used to.

          1. Not-P

            Oh, we used to dream of living in a panel gap!

      2. Rob

        Thanks, that has just helped my brain. Everytime I look at the Cybertruck I keep thinking it reminds me of something, now I know I was thinking of Captain Scarlett. If you are involved in a crash with a Cybertruck keep a look out for 2 circles moving across the ground and listen out for a disembodied voice.

        1. Jedit Silver badge
          Joke

          "and listen out for a disembodied voice"

          THIS IS THE VOICE OF THE MUSK MORONS!

      3. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        It would have made a good prop for them to blow up with the assault cannon in Robocop. I'm left wondering if it was actually "designed" by Paul Verhoeven?

  3. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

    Rent-a-brick

    What? You thought you were buying it?

    1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

      Re: Rent-a-brick

      All hail the glorious down-votes, for those who are buying into it.

      1. Scott 26

        Re: Rent-a-brick

        > glorious down-votes

        your OP had 1 down-vote at time of writing this.... one, singular.

        1. Excused Boots Bronze badge

          Re: Rent-a-brick

          Give it time!

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: your OP had 1 down-vote

          The Cult members are clearly off-line at the moment. They will be back as soon at their Muskmobile has charged up enough to get out of the car park (EV's only have that much range according to Donald Trump)

          1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

            Re: your OP had 1 down-vote

            It was previously a multi-storey car park, until the critical number of 4-tonne trucks was parked on the roof. Now the Cybertrucks have had to transform into cyberbulldozers to get out of the rubble.

        3. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

          Re: Rent-a-brick

          Like Cassandra, I'm both blessed with foresight, and cursed to not be believed...

    2. Dave791

      Re: Rent-a-brick

      If the paperwork says "Purchase Agreement", then yes. Not arguing the "in" status of anything Tesla, but if it's a purchase, this language is likely(and hopefully) illegal. A bit surprising it made it past the lawyers to publicly published. Rather bad publicity for Tesla, to me, especially in an environment where they have more competition than ever, early-adopters are mostly satisfied they have theirs, and consumers aren't buying all the available EVs so their sitting on lots and getting discounted.

      But the pessimist in me thought maybe it was removed because big Tesla fans with lots of money wanting to make more demanded it be removed so they could buy/sell almost instantly at a profit.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "It's a supply and demand issue. This is going to be a tough vehicle to make [and] this is just them putting some guardrails in place,"

    Forgive my ignorance, it's been decades since I took economics classes, but I could swear that Musk and friends usually tell us that the market should be free to sort things out on its own, free from pesky external regulations.

    1. In total, your posts have been upvoted 1337 times

      That's assuming the ultimate aim is to simply produce a large volume of trucks and make a healthy profit doing so (as it is for the competition). If however your goal is to, say, get the market to pay for a substantial chunk of the R&D of your Mars buggies, then this strategy maybe makes a bit more sense.

  5. Dan 55 Silver badge

    "We dug our own grave with Cybertruck"

    That's what he said.

    But however much of a shitshow the Cybertruck is, it's not as much as the Roadster will be... if they ever launch it seeing they'll only have to change the laws of physics to be able to release the car as described by Musk in 2017.

    (My new favourite YouTube channel...)

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: "We dug our own grave with Cybertruck"

      I believe the plan now is to release it and then sue the laws of physics.

  6. Woodnag

    "Porsche has implemented similar restrictions on reselling their limited-run vehicles, but the German automaker's penalties end at not allowing flippers to reserve future vehicles."

    That's because the GT3 Touring is gorgeous. Tesla truck, not so.

    1. jake Silver badge
      Pint

      "That's because the GT3 Touring is gorgeous."

      Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me, the GT3 is just another boring take on the 356 ... Porsche should get off its collective backside and do something new for a change. I mean, c'mon, it's been 75 years! Do something new, for a change.

      "Tesla truck, not so."

      There I wholeheartedly agree. Have a beer :-)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        I think prospective buyers are being seduced by Musk's door wedge not because of its looks, but because of all the macho crap that surrounds it - the pantomime of "can't break the windows" (whoops), the "almost bullet proof" claims, the fact that in a solitary test an arrow bounced off it, that's its bigger than the already enormous F150, and it's claimed mix of near off road capabilities and 0-60 in 2.9s. This is the ultimate car for people with short, muscular necks and sloping foreheads.

        1. yetanotheraoc Silver badge

          objects at rest tend to remain at rest

          "0-60 in 2.9s"

          How beefy is the tailgate? Would be a shame if some heavy load, say a cast-iron stove(*) headed for the recycle, were somehow not to keep up with the accelerating CyberTruck.

          (*) Currently there is precisely this item loaded on the truck in the driveway. When I suggested to the truck- and stove-owner that we should secure the load, he declined, saying "I'm not going that far." Good, good, I'm not going with you then.

          1. jake Silver badge

            Re: objects at rest tend to remain at rest

            Why get rid of a cast iron stove? Have you not noticed the price of alternate energy sources for heating and cooking these days? Wood is FREE, if you ask nicely!

            1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

              Re: objects at rest tend to remain at rest

              Well, I suppose you might be replacing it with one more suited to your needs, or something.

              We just put a catalyzing iron-and-soapstone wood stove in Mountain Fastness 2.0. We have radiant-floor heating there already, via a continuous-flow natural-gas burner, and with 15-inch-thick exterior walls and three feet of insulation in the ceiling we're not spending a lot on heating anyway. But it is nice to be able to have a fire, and the catalyzing stoves are impressively efficient, as well as greatly reducing particulates in the exhaust.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: objects at rest tend to remain at rest

            Well not cast iron, but someone once had the same reply when I offered to loan them rope to tie down a load of furniture being moved.

            I thought something might fall out. I didn't really think the big heavy dresser would have flown quite so high and for so long. Lucky I wasn't tailgating so was able to stop before I hit it or it hit me.

        2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          "people with short, muscular necks and sloping foreheads."

          Isn't there a word for that? People who look like their pets? Your description of likely Cybertruck owners does seem remarkably similar to the shape of a Cybertruck :-)

      2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        I'm not a fan of the looks of the many generations of the 911 myself, but when Porsche do something new, I don't much care for that either. And I have some grudging respect for their insistence on keeping their flagship around in one form or another (or, really, several forms at a time) despite the whims of the industry.

        Of course, in any event I'm not their target market, since I intend to never buy another new car.

  7. Groo The Wanderer Silver badge

    Methinks a few consumer rights departments in various states had a "wee discussion" with Tesla about the new clauses.

    1. mpi Silver badge

      You mean along the lines of explaining basic consumers rights, ownership rights, and how "selling things" works?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    How much do I get?

    I’m prepared to NOT buy one for 2, 5, 10 or even 25 years.

    Do I get a bonus?

  9. darklord

    Gotta love offroad capabilities in an EV

    What off road abilities the thing wieghs twice as much as an ICE version due to battery weight alone and last i saw there's no recharging points in the wilderness. so exactly what you gonna do when you get stuck in mud and sand , rev the nets deplete the battery and yep your toast.

    Still spose brave to try it.

    Oh and what use is 2.9S o-60 in real life. my last co car was 3.2 s 0-60. and completely useless as most other cars dont accelerate that fast unless your hell bent on giving the car in front an enema!

    1. notyetanotherid

      Re: Gotta love offroad capabilities in an EV

      ... given that it needs a wooden ramp to help it get up a curb/kerb ...

      https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/170ivaa/cybertruck_struggles_getting_over_a_curb_wooden/?rdt=40722

      1. MiguelC Silver badge

        Re: Gotta love offroad capabilities in an EV

        Will they revoke warranty if you drive on country roads, like they do to other Teslas?

    2. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

      Re: Gotta love offroad capabilities in an EV

      What off road abilities ?

      How can you even look forwards given the shallow angle of the front windscreen ?

  10. Bebu Silver badge
    Windows

    Cyber...

    Is this only product this loon has prefixed with "cyber"?

    As I have previously remarked it is as if John Lumic of Cybus Industries infamy is being channelled by Musk.

    The ugly vehicle chassis combined with his neurolink devices are nastily close to Lumic's cyberconversion.

  11. milos_r

    The design is already stale

    It was kinda cool for a couple of months in 2019. but now it is already looking dated with no cars on the road.

    1. Lee D Silver badge

      Re: The design is already stale

      I'm sorry, but at what point did this Delorean designed by a toddler EVER look "cool" in any magnitude?

      It's looks like a student team of engineers who'd been let loose with a welder trying to cobble together a vehicle on a desert island with no other resources.

      In fact, it doesn't. Because even they'd have done a better job.

    2. witty user name

      Re: The design is already stale

      It only ever looked cool to people with exceptionally poor taste.

  12. Anonymous Cowherder

    I think the late great Norm McDonald would've said "That there Elon Musk fellow, that guy seems a real jerk"

  13. Sherrie Ludwig

    Do I have this right?

    So, I buy a hotly anticipated new-shiny and am massively disappointed, find a greater fool willing to take it off my hands and...I can't buy another disappointment from them ever again? How is this a penalty?

  14. aerogems Silver badge

    Sounds a bit like

    Seems almost like Twitler ordered some web admin to make the change without running it past legal first, and then when the press caught wind of it and started asking questions, someone had to sit baby Twitler down and explain to him that this likely isn't legal and could get the company sued. His babysitters at Tesla clearly need to do a better job.

    1. witty user name

      Re: Sounds a bit like

      It looks like that’s exactly what happened, yes. Had Twitler any patience or self-preservation skills to seek legal advice in advance of making very public missteps or the wisdom to grasp how often his unexamined impulses about this sort of thing are dead wrong, news of this never would’ve reached the public. It would have been handled in-house and swiftly rejected in favor of something less hilariously self-defeating and poorly-conceived. The workers responsible for trying to babysit Twitler can’t possibly be being paid well enough to justify the ostentatious careerism their jobs call for. I suppose people at that level and with such rudderless ethics tend to be surrounded by friends who are similarly lost in their own careerism, though.

  15. BebopWeBop

    Maybe he is worried that people will resell before the market realises what a pile of crap they have been sold and they become impossible to resell. But then you might equally blame the original purchaser.

    1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

      I guess if you cant resell it for a year, a lot of people will be quite about how crap it is, otherwise it will be hard to sell when the year is up ?

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    that analyst, yikes

    <blockquote>"It's a supply and demand issue. This is going to be a tough vehicle to make [and] this is just them putting some guardrails in place," he added. The analyst, who admitted he has reserved a Cybertruck, said the move did come off poorly.</blockquote>

    It doesn’t seem like a plus for an analyst to be wide-open about having piss poor taste and being intensely credulous about the way Musk’s companies market their products. He admits the move came off poorly to others, but not to himself because he’s in too deep in terms of wanting one of these hideous little boy toys. Any such “guardrails” were meant to make it easier for the marketing dep’t to come down heavy on disappointed buyers, not to protect the buyers from something, and he’s still all in. It’s beyond pathetic how so many weird nerds continue to try to fling themselves in between Musk and any criticism of him.

  17. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

    Given the shallow angle of the front windscreen, how exactly is anyone supposed to look forwards when its going 4WD at a steep angle ?

  18. intensifi

    No resale clause is back

    Just completed Foundation order and see the clause is back in the order agreement.

    Should have been in bold on the order page.

    Super lame

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