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The Theora video compression codec is finally being put out to pasture as Google pulls it from Chrome and Mozilla mulls the same for Firefox. It's been a while coming. Theora first showed up nearly 20 years ago, but more than a decade has passed since any serious development was done. In light of an increasingly challenging …

  1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

    I've never used Theora

    It could not beat well tuned MPEG2 encoding settings regarding encoding time vs quality, and xvid (the real one) is way superior.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I've never used Theora

      It was somewhere between Mpeg2 and mpeg4 in terms of quality. Not too bad for the release date.

      Obviously the point was the Royalites perspective. A bunch of games used Theora.

  2. mark l 2 Silver badge

    I am guessing only a few websites with content going back over a decade would still be using Theora encoded videos now? As much better royalty free codecs have been around since 2010 with VP8 and then VP9 in 2013 and AV1 in 2015 all of which offer better compression than Theora would do.

  3. rcxb Silver badge

    Theora was a sad chapter. VP3 was made free in 2001 back when it was reasonably competitive with other patented video codecs. But it saw almost no adoption, as the Theora project was in the works that was going to dramatically improve the codec and standardize it. Not until 2008 did Theora get an initial release, long after the world world had moved on to newer formats Theora couldn't hope to compete with. And all the while there were loud-mouthed Theora supporters using cherry-picked demos to insist it was better than everything else, while 99% of the world utterly ignored it as a failed experiment in non-commercial public collaboration and development of video codecs. You can still see echos of this petty advocacy in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora#Performance

    I anxiously await a patent-free video format gaining popularity. It's one thing to use it on your computer, but quite another to have something widely implemented in hardware so you can play your videos on all your multimedia devices.

    1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

      Av1 is on the way. And both svt-av1 and rav1e are good and have there usage profile. The latter works better with anime, the former better with the rest. Just don't use the builtin multi-core support (aka tiles), hurts quality and compression. Instead use one of those those tools which feed several snippets of the original video parallel to several encoders instances.

      I programmed my own powershell script for this to make use of as many threads as my CPU can take, monitoring the CPU load/Memory load to run the right number of threads. Others use python.

      1. McBread

        Unfortunately there's now an av1 patent pool mudding the waters.

        The first release of the H.264 standard was 2004, so we're getting closer to the point where that can be the free baseline.

        I've never used Theora, although on the audio side I have previously used, vorbis and sometimes I now use Opus.

        1. rcxb Silver badge

          Unfortunately there's now an av1 patent pool mudding the waters.

          MPEG patent-holders have always been spreading FUD about patent-free codecs. This is to be expected. It's an existential threat to their business.

          The MPEG-LA got a pittance settlement out of their court case, and were being investigated by the US Department of Justice for their anti-competitive actions. Nokia's patent claim failed in a German court. VPx has not fallen afoul of a single patent yet, and the huge players implementing AV1 like Cisco and Google without being sued is a pretty strong statement that none of the claimed patent holders actually even believe their own claims will hold up in court now, either.

  4. Grogan Silver badge

    I've been building libraries and support for ogg theora codecs for ages, and I've never even seen a video that uses it. It was always just "sounds like a good idea to enable that".

  5. Claverhouse
    Devil

    Their Master's Voice

    What Chrome does today, Firefox will do tomorrow.

  6. Grunchy Silver badge

    How about Theorium

    Because you know what, you can run Thorium browser on WINDOWS 7 BABY!!!

    Ha ha, yes!

    I’ll probably put Macromedia Flash on there too, what do I care?

    And if one of my Win7 VMs ever gets infected somehow, big whoop I’ll just reactivate an old snapshot.

    1. Tom Chiverton 1 Silver badge

      Re: How about Theorium

      And when it escapes the sandbox and ransoms the host ?

      1. Michael Strorm Silver badge
        Holmes

        Re: How about Theorium

        You mean like in all those holodeck stories in Star Trek: The Next Generation?

        (No Moriarty icon available)

  7. Piro

    Theora going is no big loss

    But where's JPEG XL? It's the way for image compression...

    1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

      Re: Theora going is no big loss

      Official tools here, or in many programs. Holla, version 8.2 officially available? Time to update! We will see how much the compression improved. Especially .GIF from Dilbert was hard to beat, GIF always won, but the changelog shows promising entries...

      My self-written powershell mass converter tool, which I may have to update now though. Can handle unicode filenames too, unless the workaround is not needed any more and they fixed the cjxl.exe "cannot handle unicode filenames" bug. But I've, literally, already converted millions of pictures to .JXL lossless, and can convert them back to their original .PNG/jpeg with djxl if needed.

      Something to do for the next few hours :D.

      1. Piro
        Pint

        Re: Theora going is no big loss

        Good work, I meant in regards to official browser support, but it's something nice to look at on a Friday afternoon.

    2. aerogems Silver badge

      Re: Theora going is no big loss

      Already gone. Someone at Google clearly didn't like JPEG XL and so made sure it never really saw the light of day. But, if you are running a Mac you can still use it with Safari.

      https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/07/apple_safari_jpeg_xl/

      1. Piro

        Re: Theora going is no big loss

        It's funny, as they contributed to it. If Apple pushes it, it could make a comeback. There's so much to like about it.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Theora going is no big loss

          Search for JPEG-XL patent concerns if you want to know why.

          I doubt Google care which 20 image formats they have in Chrome, apart from the legal perspective.

  8. Tubz Silver badge

    Should the browser not come with just a W3C standard level of support and then uses just in time delivery to install plugins/extensions/support packages as required and user authorised, as most people have fast enough broadband to do this. Browsers should become faster, more secure and easy to maintain?

    1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

      1. faster

      2. secure

      3. easy maintain

      4. plugins-extenstions-supportpackages

      Choose 2 of the above.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Ideally the w3c should just say “must support xxx”

      It doesn’t matter what works, as long as it works everywhere.

    3. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Good god! Let's keep the W3C and its glacial decision making process out of this!

  9. Roger Kynaston

    odd groklaw link

    Back in the day when Darl McBride was going to bring civilisation as we know it to an end I remember the ever diligent Pamela Jones encouraging people to use ogg instead of mp3 for audio. This story brought that back to me.

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