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Meta has decided that some of its Oversight Board's objections posts related to intoxicating drugs aren't worth its time, so bring on the paid advertisements for ketamine. Therapeutic ketamine only, of course. Though still not FDA-approved. Meta's Oversight Board issued four recommendations in August regarding a sponsored …

  1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Online Safety Bill

    Fortunately our freshly minted brave army of bright thought crime crusaders will most likely take this problem off of Meta hands.

    In our British isles the only "magical entry into another dimension" will be crumpets right after exhausting run through fields of wheat (anandamide won't release itself!).

    1. Bebu
      Childcatcher

      British isles ... crumpets right after ... - glad the bakery item was plural :)

      The British don't do kinky - right?

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I first read about its therapeutic effects in The Economist years ago, so Meta are in good company. But you couldn’t persuade me to take it. Well, not again anyway. That was a tough morning after a long night.

    1. damienblackburn

      It actually has a lot of good as an analgesic. It's nearly as if not more effective than morphine, with far fewer contraindicators. Less likely to cause respiratory arrest and similar conditions that morphine does.

      1. sabroni Silver badge
        Facepalm

        oooh!

        Less dodgy than morphine? That's an endorsement.

      2. SonofRojBlake

        Six years ago the bones of my shin were poking out through two BIG holes in my skin. After some morphine and a quick free helicopter ride, they gave me some ketamine and pulled the bones back inside the skin.

        The ketamine trip was the worst thing that happened to me that day.

        Wasn't in the room for the leg-pulling, though, so there's that.

  3. Woodnag

    Binding?

    ARTICLE 4

    Implementation

    The board’s resolution of each case will be binding and Meta will implement it promptly, unless implementation of a resolution could violate the law.

    charter_february_2023.pdf https://oversightboard.com/attachment/494475942886876/

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I am surprised ..... no really I promise I am .... the wry smile mean nothing honest !!!

    Once again !!!

    [Meta or *any* other company that has profits equaling the GNP of a not so small country]: I mean what I say and promise to be a good global citizen ........ until it is no longer convenient and/or profitible.

    :)

  5. abend0c4 Silver badge

    Accompanying psychedelic drawings

    In my day, the serving suggestion for Special K showed fruit.

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: Accompanying psychedelic drawings

      Not that it helped. That's one astonishingly tasteless foodstuff. I think it actually drains the flavor out of anything in its vicinity.

      I'd almost rather consume a psychedelic. Almost.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    50 years ago such experiences were for dangerous fun. Now they are lauded as something to heal you and make you a better person.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Isn't marketting wonderful?

    2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Same thing could be said for having a boy/girl friend if you were a boy/girl

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Maybe they should take a look at marketplace

    The number of ads for psilocybin, the veiled ads for other less natural substances, fake prepaid meter cards and any number of stolen items would get a reputable company shut down.

  8. Vometia has insomnia. Again. Silver badge

    "Licenced clinic"

    There's a supposedly licenced clinic here in Oxford. This was about the only treatment they could be bothered to give my gf, who was in hospital a few weeks back because her PTSD had flared up. They decided to discharge her halfway through a course of ketamine which they pretty much forced her into agreeing to. She died the day after.

    1. Intractable Potsherd

      Re: "Licenced clinic"

      I'm very sorry to hear that. My condolences.

    2. Vometia has insomnia. Again. Silver badge

      Re: "Licenced clinic"

      Not sure what's with the downvote. Am I expected to post her death certificate as proof? Or is it just "no big deal, stop complaining"?

      Edit: some sad git is going through my entire history. And I thought I had nothing better to do.

      1. Jedit Silver badge
        Unhappy

        "Not sure what's with the downvote"

        I'm about to disagree with you on a sensitive subject, so first let me say that you have my full sympathies and condolences for your loss. My disagreement has nothing to do with that and I sure as hell wouldn't downvote you for feeling the way you do.

        I think it's your choice of where to place the blame. You're saying the clinic insisted your GF take that specific treatment and then didn't even complete the course, but you're apparently blaming the ket when it seems to me you should be blaming the clinic for not treating her properly. And you didn't say how she died, but again you're implying that it was the immediate result of taking ket rather than self-harm - although that's something of a moot point because either way it's still the fault of the clinic for not treating her properly. But despite your terrible experience ketamine therapy is a legitimate form of treatment. I have a friend who has been on the schedule for several years to treat similar mental health problems to your GF, and for her it works. It should not be dismissed out of hand because one doctor made an awful misjudgement in one case.

        I agree with you completely on the general point, though. Ketamine is not a safe drug. It needs to be properly prescribed by qualified professionals and it has no business being advertised on social media. I hope Meta gets thoroughly clobbered for this.

        1. Vometia has insomnia. Again. Silver badge

          Re: "Not sure what's with the downvote"

          It made her actively suicidal. The doctor decided to discharge her while she was actively suicidal, and he or someone else working for the hospital gave her nearly half a pint of barbiturate solution on the way out the door, which she consumed the following day when still in a severely disordered frame of mind partly brought on by the ketamine. I would never claim it's entirely the fault of the ketamine (in fact I would go as far as to say her consultant murdered her, but it's hard to get the police to take any interest: patients in psychiatric hospitals are evidently considered expendable) but I would say it's potentially very dangerous as it can cause or significantly worsen things like dissociation. My point was more about the ketamine clinics, hence the title, which can't necessarily be trusted to act responsibly nor in the best interests of the patient. In her case she should've never been given ketamine as her main problem was PTSD, something that usually wasn't a problem for her until it flared up again a few months ago, but her consultant seemed to have a vested interest and railroaded her into taking it, threatening her in private that he would force her to undergo ECT if she didn't agree. She was terrified.

          Edit: for the record, the hospital is the Warneford in Oxford. Avoid at all costs. It's always been a terrible hospital but is now more dangerous than ever.

  9. Bebu
    Headmaster

    Years ago...

    I remember many, many years ago in a pharmacology course ketamine was discussed as a dissociative anaesthetic used in veterinary practice but not generally used medically because of the unacceptable risk of fatal seizures.

    The lecturer described ketamine anaesthesia as the patient being fully conscious while having his arm sawn off with the attendant pain but just not caring. :) I would hope not remembering but including a decent dose of valium could see to that.

    Came as a real surprise years later that ketamine had become a drug of abuse. That Musk admitted to using ketamine did not come as a surprise.

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