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California's Department of Motor Vehicles has rescinded GM-owned Cruise's right to roam the streets with its self-driving cars, citing public safety and accusing the biz of withholding information. "Public safety remains the California DMV's top priority, and the department's autonomous vehicle regulations provide a framework …

  1. Matthew "The Worst Writer on the Internet" Saroff

    About Bloody Time

    This has been a complete cluster-f%$# since day 1.

    I do not understand the affection California in general, and the Bay Area in particular, has for Silicon Valley snake oil salesmen.

    1. usbac Silver badge

      Re: About Bloody Time

      It's too near the source of the reality distortion field...

      1. jake Silver badge

        Re: About Bloody Time

        San Francisco has its own reality distortion field.

        1. EricB123 Bronze badge

          Re: About Bloody Time

          "San Francisco has its own reality distortion field."

          But that's not always a bad thing! Err, um, never mind....

    2. jake Silver badge

      Re: About Bloody Time

      "I do not understand the affection California in general, and the Bay Area in particular, has for Silicon Valley snake oil salesmen."

      As a life-long (with a few side trips) resident of the Bay Area, it's because the government is controlled by uneducated so-called "greens" and the ultra politically correct who scream about their own particular sound-bites, and are incapable (or unwilling) to look at the over-all big picture. The snake-oil salesmen are offering them all their own personal nirvana, complete with all the bells and whistles, if they just give in to the latest high-tech marketing bullshit du jour.

      Myopic hippies, hand-wringers, namby-pambys, curtain-twitchers and NIMBYs will be the death of all of us, if we let 'em.

      And no, it's not about bloody time. It never should have been allowed in the first place.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: About Bloody Time

        "Myopic hippies, hand-wringers, namby-pambys, curtain-twitchers and NIMBYs will be the death of all of us, if we let 'em."

        ...and the meek shall inherit the Earth, as some other hippie said a couple of thousand years ago. It's not as if we weren't warned! :-/

        1. Claptrap314 Silver badge

          Re: About Bloody Time

          The term "meek" in that context means "having self-control". Someone decided self-control was "repressive" about 60 years ago, and we're seeing the results.

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  3. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "cars with a safety driver behind the wheel can still operate"

    Yes, the self-driving cars that need a safety driver are supposed to be safer than human drivers.

    1. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
      Pirate

      Crucially it enables the blame to be passed on. Any incidents are no longer the car's fault.

      1. martinusher Silver badge

        Its the same with other vehicles.

        A ship's captain or a pilot in charge is there primarily to carry the can when the machine fails.

    2. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

      It means that when people nearby are screaming "Stop! Stop!, you're dragging someone underneath" there's at least a chance that the car will stop.

  4. PRR Silver badge

    Aside from politics and optics...... they should test in my neck of the Maine woods. Roads are narrow and stripes go faint from snowplow scrapes. My 2023 Toyota has "Lane Assist" and AFAICT it just jerks the steering wheel trying to go in the ditch. And this month there are a lot of leaf-peepers from away who are just LOST, driving and stopping at random. Google Maps can't be trusted b/c the first decade I was here the G-Map car never came up my road, now G is sub-contracting a guy with a bent camera.

    Not to mention the last month Bay Road has been washed-out, you don't dare go that way. (It is "open" but backed-up.)

    1. Snapper

      Well, I'm glad to hear they are backed up at any rate. Far too many people think it won't happen to them.

      1. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
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        It's not really backed up until you've tried to restore your road.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          I think the issue was the Cruise car backing up - over the woman it had just crushed. Then they lied and tried to hide that detail.

    2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      "leaf-peepers"?

      Is that like Grockles or Emmets or just train spotters with a biological bent? Or are we talking twitchers with an arboreal twist?

  5. Johnb89

    Its those meddling edge cases

    Those meddling edge cases! Damn them! Damn them all to hell! (Picture Charlton Heston and Scooby .gif)

    And yes, pedestrians under the wheels are 'edge cases'. Mere details to be sorted in a future release. Practically trivial.

  6. Steve Hersey

    Withheld video seems to be the big thing here

    I haven't seen confirmation of this, but one news source I've seen says that Cruise initially shared crash video with the DMV that showed the Cruise car striking the pedestrian (apparently unavoidably) and stopping, but withheld additional video that showed the vehicle then starting to move again and dragging the trapped victim under the car.

    It's always the coverup that gets them...

    1. jake Silver badge

      Re: Withheld video seems to be the big thing here

      As I said three weeks ago (and got pooh-poohed for), something smells about this particular case.

      In fact, it's beginning to stink to high heaven.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Withheld video seems to be the big thing here

      Read the updated original report - seems another driver caused a "hit and run" incident, which caused the pedestrian to move into the path of the Cruise vehicle and the Cruise then moved to try and avoid the passenger.

      1. Zack Mollusc

        Re: Withheld video seems to be the big thing here

        Video may show whether the pedestrian was visible to the Cruise before the alleged hit-and-run driver collided with the pedestrian.

        Did the Cruise note that a pedestrian was in the road?

        Did it assume that the pedestrian would not move into the path of the Cruise?

        Did it 'know' the hit-and-run driver was going to collide with the pedestrian but assume that it was somebody elses problem because its own lane was clear at that point?

      2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Withheld video seems to be the big thing here

        "Read the updated original report - seems another driver caused a "hit and run" incident, which caused the pedestrian to move into the path of the Cruise vehicle and the Cruise then moved to try and avoid the passenger."

        That's exactly how it was reported in the original El Reg article.

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