back to article Chinese citizens feel their government is doing such a fine job with surveillance

Chinese residents are generally comfortable with widespread use of surveillance technology, according to a year-long project conducted by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) and an unnamed non-government research partner. The project mainly investigated how state surveillance is conducted by Beijing and how the …

  1. DS999 Silver badge

    Foreigners asking Chinese citizens these questions?

    How do they know it was really a foreign survey and not their own government looking for rabble rousers? Or that their own government's surveillance would report how they answered? I'm not sure such a survey would reflect their true viewpoint.

    1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: Foreigners asking Chinese citizens these questions?

      I'm not sure such a survey would reflect their true viewpoint.

      and the research is probably going to be used to back up surveillance in other countries.

      "Don't worry about it, you'll be happy (or else)"

      1. NoneSuch Silver badge
        Big Brother

        Re: Foreigners asking Chinese citizens these questions?

        Considering that criticizing the government, in any way, is now a criminal offense in mainland China; I suspect the results are skewed in their favour by some margin.

        1. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge

          Re: Foreigners asking Chinese citizens these questions?

          With just enough "dissent" in the numbers to prove it's honest, unlike dictator elections where the dictator gets 100 percent of the vote, including the vote of the guy he's "running" against.

    2. NewModelArmy

      Re: Foreigners asking Chinese citizens these questions?

      What they should have done, is at the end of the survey, ask whether the person draws their curtains in the evening, or has net curtains up etc.

      If they answer "yes", then you can probably discount the "we are ok with being monitored 24/7" response.

    3. imanidiot Silver badge

      Re: Foreigners asking Chinese citizens these questions?

      exactly this. This survey is worse than useless.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Foreigners asking Chinese citizens these questions?

      Let a hundred flowers bloom; let a hundred schools of thought contend.

      1. MyffyW Silver badge

        Re: Foreigners asking Chinese citizens these questions?

        Fine words as long as they are delivered in reality ... which the PRC (sadly) have poor form on

  2. Casca Silver badge

    How nice to see that the Stockholm syndrom is alive and kicking...

  3. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Complaint

    I asked my Chinese friend what it's like to live in China.

    He says he can't complain.

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: Complaint

      "Oh, you know, mustn't grumble."

    2. cookieMonster Silver badge

      Re: Complaint

      Is that because he’ll be sent for re-education if he does??

      1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

        Re: Complaint

        thats_the_joke.jpg

  4. Neil Barnes Silver badge
    Big Brother

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    two and a half customers per camera? How many are actually watched? I suppose the theory is that one doesn't do something because one *might* be watching...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

      The two of you take turns watching the other one.

      1. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge

        Re: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

        And the third is watching the first two.

        1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

          Re: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

          And the dog is trained to bite any of the three that tries to turn the camera off.

  5. may_i

    A remarkably uncritical article

    I don't see how any of the reported opinions here could be trusted. When you live in a country where expressing any kind of opinion which is critical of the government on the Internet can end up with you being sent to a work camp for 20 years, the results of any survey have to be regarded with extreme suspicion.

    The fact that this report was created by a five-eyes participant who would love to be able to implement such far ranging surveillance on it's own population should immediately raise a huge red flag regarding the impartiality and possible propaganda aspects of the report.

    1. Just Enough

      Re: A remarkably uncritical article

      Did you actually read it to end?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: A remarkably uncritical article

      READ IT TO THE END!

  6. may_i

    ASPI

    From the Wikipedia article:

    The Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) is a defence and strategic policy think tank based in Canberra, Australian Capital Territory, founded by the Australian government, and funded by the Australian Department of Defence along with overseas governments, and defence and technology companies.

    Now why would a government funded think tank with ties to the defence industry and most of the players who stand to make lots of money from implementing Chinese style surveillance on the Australian population be regarded as impartial in any way?

    This article is a surveillance propaganda exercise.

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: ASPI

      The survey was a surveillance propaganda exercise, the article was just a useful idiot in the wider privacy debate.

      1. may_i

        Re: ASPI

        I expect better from The Register than their journalists recycling propaganda without criticism. Allowing their journalists to function as "useful idiots" reflects badly on The Register's editorial team.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: ASPI

      Don't call it propaganda. In the free world and Australia we call it Marketing.

    3. MyffyW Silver badge

      Re: ASPI

      The survey is very likely a propaganda exercise, the El Regarticle, not so much.

    4. Diogenes

      Re: ASPI

      Is this the same ASPI who suggested our new, yet to be built, NBN class* nuclear submarines be based in Brisbane because of both our and the US subs based here during ww2?

      Those rocket surgeons totally ignoring that subs will need to surfaced to use the one channel into the port which starts near Mooloolaba on the Sunshine Coast, 90 or so km long.

      *Some blogs I am on refer to them as such because they will cost a lot mor than budgetted, hellishly late and a 3 world solution, as opposed to the cancelled "Turnbull" class of French origin.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    There are a lot of cameras in the West too

    The only difference is that we *know* the Governments here don’t have any money to pay to have someone watching them…

    1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

      Re: There are a lot of cameras in the West too

      That's okay, AI will most likely allow them to automate that sort of thing very efficiently and cost-effectively.

  8. b0llchit Silver badge
    FAIL

    "I'm a nice guy, ain't I" - asks the person with a gun to your head

  9. Stuart Castle Silver badge

    There could be three possible reasons for this.

    1) They are genuinely happy.

    2) They answered they are happy because they were worried about potential reprisals if they didn't.

    3) They have been observed so closely for so long that they accept this kind of close monitoring as part of every day life, and even like it.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I don't think anyone would be genuinely 'happy' to be watched. But then, perhaps we should start with a definition of 'happy', which ranges from 'happy enough' happy (no choice) to 'genuinely can't live without the state watching my every move' happy.

    2. Bill Gray

      The general sentiment here is that this survey must be complete rubbish. I lean in that direction, and certainly hope it is, but...

      I remember that after 9/11, most of my fellow USAians were perfectly happy to give up liberty in the pursuit of "security". Core values we supposedly had of a right to a fair trial, freedom from surveillance, etc. were merrily discarded. (As they had been fifty years earlier during the McCarthy era. And somewhat so during the post-WW1 Red Scare.)

      The Chinese government has almost total control of what their citizens know about, of the sort Western politicians can (thus far) only dream of. I doubt most Chinese people think that they, personally, need to be surveilled. But they may be convinced that everybody else on the planet needs to be surveilled.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    They know they're being watched and don't mind - maybe because Beijing says it improves safety

    I'm sure our western overlords carefully analyse the outcome :/

  11. Norman Nescio

    Randomized Response Surveys

    Nobody sensible will reply in anything other than effusively positive terms, because you never know if the data could be de-anonymized in future. There's no benefit in saying something that could come back to bite you.

    There are protocols (Randomized Response Surveys) that allow you to draw conclusions from real data mixed in with random data, but unless they have used them, the survey is junk propaganda. RRS's give participants deniable answers.

    The problem with this is that the survey power is diluted (so you need more participants); and in addition, simply being identified as a participant (especially if by de-anonymization) is probably enough to get you marked for further watching by the authorities, more so if the results of the survey are controversial, even if they can't pin particular answers on you.

    1. Lurko

      Re: Randomized Response Surveys

      There's a more pressing problem, as to whether the respondents believe that the survey is anonymous and randomised. In the case of authoritarian governments, any sensible participant will rightly assume that they cannot afford to trust promises of anonymity, moreover they'd be sensible to assume the survey is a government subterfuge to identify people who have wrong thoughts. Mind you, the EU isn't far off that: https://eu.boell.org/en/homegrown-disinformation

  12. Dr.Flay

    Flies in the face of rality and the videos coming out of china

    Was this study done before COVID ?

    I don't think all the people protesting in China would agree with the study, especially when that surveillance is the reason protesters get picked up at home with a free ticket to the gulag.

  13. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge

    Don't mind the camera,

    use this pen with green glitter ink, let me dogear the corner of your survey, and answer honestly as this is completely anonymous.

    Anon, because it fits the narrative.

    Wait, why is my handle being shown?

  14. Geoffrey W

    I agree with the Chinese people; The Chinese government are indeed doing a damn fine job! They are very good at surveillance, though I don't like it any more than the Chinese people likely do.

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