Hacktivist attacks erupt in Middle East following Hamas assault on Israel Hacktivism efforts have proliferated rapidly in the Middle East following the official announcement of a war between Palestine and Israel. The escalation was spurred by a deadly attack on a music festival by Hamas, along with abductions and killings across scores of Israeli towns after a surprise incursion from the Gaza border …
I have just received this completely inappropriate email from the Perlweekly mail list.
It is completely off topic (nothing to do with perl) and has no acknowledgement that neither side comes up smelling of roses in this long conflict.
"neither side comes up smelling of roses" - how do you figure. A Eastern European terrorist group dispossesses people from Western Asia. Clearly it's a perpetrator and a victim.
The People of Gaza are the refugees from 247 villages ethnically cleansed by Zionist State terrorists during 1947-49.
The essence is that a people were occupied by Britain, subjected to violence by Zionist state terror gangs, finally dispossessed.
All else is the people struggling for their land back as the Zionist state terrorists continue.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851685553
http://palestinehijacked.net/
These two authors document in meticulous detail the horrors inflicted on Palestine and it’s people. Both sides my bum.
Everybody needs to have equal rights now in a single Democratic Palestine with a constitution based on UN Declaration of human rights, the people who have committed crimes against humanity must be held to account, be they Zionist or Palestinians.
The Palestinians: exercised their inalienable rights of armed struggle under international law, attacked a military base, and kidnapped a General.
The Zionists dropped 1000 tons of explosive on a civllian population of 2Million people over half of which are children below the age of 10, killing 91 children so far in the last 48 hours, https://www.dci-palestine.org/91_palestinian_children_in_gaza_killed_in_israeli_assault
There is no both sides here, Today a Ukrainian Terrorist is Finance Minister in the Government of Lithuanian War Criminal occupying Palestine.
Mossad Director telling you it's an Apartheid State.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/06/israel-imposing-apartheid-on-palestinians-says-former-mossad-chief
Army says they carry out Pogroms https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/15/middleeast/huwara-west-bank-settler-attack-cmd-intl/index.html
Smotric calls himself a https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-01-16/ty-article/.premium/israels-far-right-finance-minister-im-a-fascist-homophobe-but-i-wont-stone-gays/00000185-b921-de59-a98f-ff7f47c70000
Lithuanian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/may/01/benzion-netanyahu
Ukrainian
Israeli minister says there’s ‘no such thing as a Palestinian people,’ inviting US rebuke
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/21/middleeast/israel-smotrich-palestinians-intl/index.html Conversely, the current Israeli finance minister, whose family is of Ukrainian origin (Smotryc is the name of a town in western Ukraine),
Tripe
A century ago, in November 1923, Jabotinsky himself used words that seemed to suggest a very different understanding of Palestine to the one Smotrich has outlined.
“There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs […] it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting ‘Palestine’ from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority,” Jabotinsky wrote.
“Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised”.
Do you know WHY Israel created the gaza and west bank ?
For a long time the Palestinian citizens have been having lots of kids, and the jewish part of the country did not want to be outvoted by a muslim majority so they created the zones we see today. In a sad way all thsoe P families have been weaponizing themselves by having lots of kids, and because of their society enough join Hamas.
This is the start of wars because of overpopulation, there are already others in places like Yemen and soon between Egypt and Ethiopia about control of the Nile.
The sad truth is there are too many people.
The sad truth is there are too many people.
Nope, that's a gross oversimplification. The problems are more to do with inequalities, demographics and nationalism. Having kids is expensive, so birth rates in a lot of Western countries have been falling. Inflation and cost of living pressures make that worse. One solution is immigration, but that also puts pressure on services and increases potential racial tension. Singapore kinda solved some of these problems by integrating communities, other nations have pretty much failed and created ghettos that breed resentment and racial tension. Which is kinda the root cause behind a lot of the problems in Israel, ie seizing and controlling territory.
Israel also has a bunch of demographic problems with relatively low birthrates amongst many Israelis, and divisions between Israelis who want a more secular state, and groups who want it to be more religious. That's made even more complicated when some orthodox groups have high birth rate, but also want to dedicate their lives to study. The IDF has been challenged by having more religious and other exemptions from military service, along with young Israeli's either not wanting to serve, or being unsuitable. Then there's the problems with 'part-time Israelis' that have homes in Israel, but don't really live there or contribute much to the economy other than increasing property costs and pressures.
Genocide - the targetting of Palestinians as Palestinians, an attempt to destroy them as a people, as a nation, targeting children, the elderly.[1]
The targeting of Gaza and the West Bank, is the deliberate targeting of children by the Zionist State Terrorist Group.[2]
During the inevitable mass trials at the International Criminal Court, I look forward to hearing the defence presented.
Leaving aside the flagrant illegality of the occupation which itself deprives the Zionist Terrorists a defence in Law, there is no military justification for the use of 1,000[6] Tons of bombs, in a civilian population, let alone, in one of the most densely populated areas on Earth. [3]
There is a clear pattern of behaviour which demonstrates the goal of Zionist Terrorist is to cause maximum loss of Palestinian civilian life, this is not related to any Military objective but simply to demonstrate commitment to an electoral base of racists and messianic fanatics. [4]
The Zionist State Terrorist Group is in flagrant violation of international law, as every piece of supporting evidence suggests. [5]
Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben Gvir show the desire to stop hiding and acknowledge the evident pride in targeting the defenceless majority population between the river and the sea, who have few or no rights.
[1] https://ccrjustice.org/sites/default/files/attach/2016/10/Background%20on%20the%20term%20genocide%20in%20Israel%20Palestine%20Context.pdf
[2] https://pcbs.gov.ps/post.aspx?lang=en&ItemID=4213
[3] https://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/default/files/publications/research/2018-12-10-proportionality-conduct-hostilities-incidental-harm-gillard-final.pdf
[4] https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/opinion/palestinian-lives-sacrificed-at-altar-of-israeli-elections-20b391ad-3c0b-44cb-9c4c-061f451ea0fd
[5] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/
[6] https://www.newsweek.com/israel-air-force-hamas-bombs-gaza-strip-idf-1833030
Israel’s defence minister, Yoav Gallant, said that Israel is imposing a “complete siege” on Gaza.
“There is no electricity, there is no food, there is no water, there is no fuel,” he said.
2 Million people, half of which are children to be denied food and water, because 1000 people dared exercise their rights and resist their settler-colonial oppressors who had already made 2023 the deadliest year to be Palestinian by July
https://www.map.org.uk/news/archive/post/1483-2023-becomes-deadliest-year-for-palestinians-in-the-west-bank-as-israeli-military-launches-fresh-attack-on-jenin-refugee-camp
How is this defensible, can you imagine if Putin was saying Ukrainians shouldn't have water.
For what it's worth, the cut-off of water triggers an aspect of the Genocide Convention; article 2, (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/convention-prevention-and-punishment-crime-genocide
I may not like Hamas as a political organization, but it is entitled to self-defense, and retaliation if self-defense has been by-passed. BTW, have you noticed one thing about the West's leaders on Israel and Palestine? They always claim to support Israel's right to self-defense, and if pressed, tehy would argue it's a common human right. Then they go silent on the question of if it is a common human right, why are the Palestinians not permitted it? Why are Palestinians exercising it, libelled as "terrorist"?
And then, to make matters even more murky, there's the little detail that the Palestinians have been in Palestine for over two thousand years - as evidenced by the existence of the Samaritan community in the same area they'd been living in during the 1st century CE. Romans didn't exile any more than they needed to, so most of the villages would have stayed there after the Great Revolt 70CE, as long as they didn't actively get involved. So back in the 1st century CE they were Jewish, circumcized their sons, celebrated Passover, etc. So if the West's leaders - and the Israelis - deny their humanity by denying them the right of self-defense, it gets remarkably reentrant and recursive - the people who today's Jews claim descent from, today's Zionists claim are less than human ... so where does that leave today's Jewish communities? Zionists appear positively antisemitic. Little wonder I don't have much patience for Zionists.
Given you condemn "killing unarmed people"
Do you condemn the actions of the Zionist State Terrorist Group occupying Palestine ?
Zionists are murdering children and people simply for sharing an ethnicity with Hamas members, and not a word of condemnation from the Apartheid apologists.
"The Rising Threat of a Second Front in Israel's North" HaaretzWe need to flatten Gaza,” he said harshly. “That’s where we’re going, without stopping too much to worry about who gets hurt. We sustained a humiliation, and we will have to retaliate
You can try to obscure the reality that People from Western Asia have a right to resist Eastern European Terrorists who have invaded them, dispossessed them and subjected millions of them to a brutal apartheid regime for decades.
Do you condemn the call for Genocide of the Zionist State Terrorist Group occupying Palestine ?
"1000 people dared exercise their rights and resist their settler-colonial oppressors"
Resisting such oppressors as people at a dance festival, old ladies and children?
Stop repeating the usual apologist nonsense.
“There is no electricity, there is no food, there is no water, there is no fuel,” he said.
2 Million people, half of which are children to be denied food and water, because 1000 people dared exercise their rights and resist their settler-colonial oppressors who had already made 2023 the deadliest year to be Palestinian by July
https://www.map.org.uk/news/archive/post/1483-2023-becomes-deadliest-year-for-palestinians-in-the-west-bank-as-israeli-military-launches-fresh-attack-on-jenin-refugee-camp
An Israeli army spokesperson has said that "accuracy" is not the primary concern when it comes to attacking the Gaza Strip.
In a statement carried by Haaretz, Daniel Hagari said the army was dropping hundreds of tons of bombs in the attacks and that "the emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy."
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-gaza-war-live
Any condemnation of the statement of intent from the Zionist State terrorist group targetting children, UN Schools, Ambulances, Hospitals.
Being an apologist for such crimes against humanity is damning.
They will try to kill as many as possible, ideally they'd like to push them into the Egyptian desert. But mostly this is vengeance for stealing the dream that Zionists could live in safety while occupying people.
They don't have a military aim in mind, it's literally to ratchet up the body count, but the world is watching, the list of ranks released shows the fight was taken to the Zionists and that didn't go well for them.
There is no going back now, the world saw a people define their own narrative, the world is seeing a government saying children deserve death because of their ethnicity, and
As the Zionist enemy declares 2 million people in Gaza, half of them children, to be "human animals," cuts off food and water to all of them and openly massacres them ... the whole rotten Western elite, endorses this savagery"
I hope that a end to the fighting is called, with all people being give equal rights in a democratic Free Palestine.
Sadly I think this is going to results in the Zionist State Terrorist group murdering so many people that other countries will get involved.
Ramzan Kadyrov, head of the Chechen Republic and the Kremlin’s close ally, has called for the end of the war between Israel and Hamas and said that he was prepared to head a peacekeeping mission to Palestine.https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/10/9/7423362/Source: Ramzan Kadyrov on Telegram
Quote: "We fully support Palestine’s actions. Because Israel took their land and is now keeping them isolated. They have no freedom of speech. Today I oppose the war and am calling on everyone to end this war, to prevent it from spreading across the world. This war won’t end that easily."
Details: Kadyrov confirmed that a Hamas rocket fell near a mosque he erected in honour of his father in an Israeli settlement not far from Jerusalem, damaging it. He asked both sides to refrain from attacks on the mosque.
Quote: "I’m once again urging all Muslims, all citizens, and our state to support the truth and put an end to this war. Or send us there on a peacekeeping mission. We will decide who’s right and who’s wrong. We will stop those who continue fighting."
Yes, I only object to genocide when carried out by an Eastern European Terrorist group murdering children on live stream while apologist for apartheid and collective punishment pop up to dispense hasbara.
I guess if you are living on stolen land dependant on a stipend from a settler organization trying to suggest that wanting the murder and violent dispossession of Palestinians to stop is some how suspect.
You are projecting your own racism, you've so thoroughly dehumanised Palestinians in your mind, you can't see that the wide scale slaughter of people is wrong. So you look for a motive in the identity of the perpertator of crimes against humanity - sure they are murdering children by the hundreds, but are you sure you don't really hate Ukrainians
/s
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israeli-grandmother-s-murder-posted-on-her-own-facebook-page-by-hamas-terrorists/ar-AA1hZBYW?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=cdcf50f1a78442dab997faf6ff706bed&ei=6
I notice you keep posting about IDF attacks on refugee camps, with all the usual wilful blindness of the hamas apologists - you never ask why hamas, the "brave" "freedom fighters" keep their rocket launch sites and weapon/ammo stores in civilian areas, do you? You're a puppet dancing to their tune and you don't even realise it.
>you never ask why hamas, the "brave" "freedom fighters" keep their rocket launch sites and weapon/ammo stores in civilian areas, do you?”
Suggest you take a closer look at Gaza and ask yourself what would Israel do if it saw the establishment of a set of barracks and weapons dumps…
Interestingly, the US constitution gives the people the right to keep and bear arms, which could be construed to mean the U.S. is just one huge military base, with a civilian camouflage….
So Hamas could simply be following the example set…
"what would Israel do if it saw the establishment of a set of barracks and weapons dumps"
Given that the location of the weapons etc is well-known in any case, I imagine they would be destroyed but without (and this is the point that all the hamas apologists seem to happily ignore) civilian casualties. You want to be an heroic resistance fighter? Great. Stop using your own people as human shields. The comparison to the US is frankly baffling - unless you think the US citizens are armed with rockets and heavy weapons that they use to fire at....who?
Yet again, someone in Gaza/Iran etc has made the chilling calculation that the predictable Israeli response will cause enough damage to both people and property to raise international condemnation. It works when they send out kids with stones and petrol bombs, they thought, lets go large...
> The comparison to the US is frankly baffling
Only whilst the US isn’t at war…
Remember the primary purpose of the right to keep and bear arms wasn’t for personal usage but for the maintenance of a militia.
In the context of then recent events in America, the militia’s were effectively state sanctioned “resistance fighters” in waiting.
My point wasn’t to elevate Hamas, but to counter your viewpoint which seems to based on an antiquated notion of war; having reservists and militia members living/hiding with their weapons in civilian guise is normal, particularly in the war of the flea…
> the predictable Israeli response
That is a big part of the problem, groups on both sides are so predictable because they have entrenched viewpoints that they refuse to budge from, even though common sense and history tells us that their objectives are unobtainable (unless you totally annihilate one or other party).
The Glorious Leader in Pyongyang is supporting Russia. He has a few goals of his own. These goals are fairly realistic. The Dictatorial Person Ruling Korea does not particularly want to start a war with their neighbours as they realise that China or South Korea would wipe the floor with them in short order, although at a high cost. Instead, they try to provoke and stay on news agendas to extort aid without doing something that would lead to their immediate annihilation. That means that they want designs (and supporting technology for) producing ICBM's and working nukes.
This will probably be their price for providing ammunition for Russia.
Iran is supporting Russia. They also have a few goals of their own. One of those goals is "death to Israel", and another of those goals is to stay in power, which has been endangered by own goals by their goons beating unarmed woman to death because they don't cower sufficiently. This has caused huge protests which are getting worse recently since another woman was put in a coma by regime thugs beating a young woman around the head with an iron bar.
Unless we accept the premise that heavy weapons such as rockets produced at a factory in Iran happen to end up in Palestine in some form of freak teleportation event then it argues that the Iranian Revolutionary Guards handed over a lot of weaponry to the Palestinians recently. Now, why would you do that? My assumption would be that they want Israel to do what pretty much any government would do at this point and roll in and occupy Gaza, or bomb the Iranian factories supplying the Hamas terrorists. This enables them to scream about an external threat to reduce the threat of their own government being internally overthrown.
Unless we accept the premise that heavy weapons such as rockets produced at a factory in Iran happen to end up in Palestine in some form of freak teleportation event then it argues that the Iranian Revolutionary Guards handed over a lot of weaponry to the Palestinians recently.
Not necessarily. For some of the weapons, they're home made. Making a dumb artillery rocket isn't that difficult, and many hobby rocketeers fire these off every weekend. Main difference is the payload, and even that is not necessarily difficult when Israel donates thousands of tonnes of explosives annually. This is something that's been seen in pretty much every asymmetric conflict with participants recycling unexploded bombs and shells to turn into new bombs and IEDs. There's even video from Ukraine where UAF soldiers cut open DPICMs to remove the bomblets/grenades so they can use them on their drones. And Palestinians have been using drones to attack and destroy Israeli tanks, vehicles and people.
Question for Israel is how some of these weapons ended up in Gaza, especially when there's video of Hamas soldiers firing Stingers at IDF helicopters. Some of this may be one of those side-effects of bringing peace & democracy to the world, eg the tonnes of weapons that were looted from Libya, abandoned in Afghanistan, captured in Iraq or Yemen. Or just sold by corrupt Ukrainians. And then to make Israel's life even more interesting, any stuff that's been captured from IDF bases during the latest adventures, including tanks.
And then there's Lebanon, where Hezbollah has a much easier time importing/smuggling weapons into that country, and Syria.. But at least Syria and Israel are still technically at war. But such is politics. Israel hopefully doesn't want to expand the conflict to 3 fairly widely seperated fronts. The videos of Israel's retaliation strikes aren't likely to win it any support from it's current enemies though.
As a hobby rocketeer, I can tell the difference between something hand made and something factory produced on a production line.
Also, are you aware that the "sold by corrupt Ukrainians" thing is a Russian propaganda line heavily pushed by Russians terrified of (and whining about) the paltry amount of western (mostly light) weaponry that Ukraine is being supplied with?
As a hobby rocketeer, I can tell the difference between something hand made and something factory produced on a production line.
I very much doubt you can, other than perhaps the hand-made stuff being higher quality. But there have been reports of thousands of rockets being fired at Israel. Most of those would have been produced in factories in and under Gaza. Most are still hand-made and pretty crude though. Lebanon usually has access to better stuff given it's easier to smuggle weapons into there.
Also, are you aware that the "sold by corrupt Ukrainians" thing is a Russian propaganda line heavily pushed by Russians
And anti-Russians, or anti-Iranians. But luckily for most official weapons there's an element of traceability via serial numbers or lot numbers etc. So if Stingers were used, it should be possible to tie those to export or end-user certificates and who they were officially supplied to.
"attacked a military base, and kidnapped a General"
Are you talking about Saturday? Turning up at a music concert and shooting teens/young adults (the current count is 260 killed), then going house to house massacring people and abducting the weakest/vulnerable (a granny, FFS!) is directly going for civilians, not just military targets. And that's not to mention the many hundreds of missiles fired indiscriminately over the border.
No matter what your position on Israel and Palestine, this is a massively dick move and may have caused quite a lot of harm to the cause of Palestine in the eyes of the world, not to mention quite a lot of actual harm to Palestinians who will, as you point out, get caught up in the chaos.
Party - please - They literally filmed themselves attacking bases - capturing tanks - bulldozing the apartheid fence - and the peoples emotion at being able to see their land again is heartwarming. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231008-palestinians-break-through-israels-gaza-fence-cross-into-pre-1948-areas/
" Brigadier General Nimrod Aloni. Aloni stepped aside as the commanding officer of the Gaza Division in August 2022. He currently is the commander of the “Depth Corps”,"
Capture Commander of A Brigade Major General https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/1117066-israeli-major-general-taken-captive-by-hamas
Blew up a Tank https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty3eiLGORc4
Captured a military base https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14020715000510/Israeli-Miliary-Base-Capred-Sldiers-Killed-in-Hamas-Operain
75 % of the captured are soldiers - according to reports - but that's unconfirmed.
The propaganda is unreal - the house to house murdering doesn't serve their purposes - they clearly using hostages to use to stop the Zionists bombing Gaza.
It's as if you live in a world where the general populace doesn't have video cameras and connectivity...
Your video shows only that civillians were captured by Hamas - that's not in dispute - the idea of a massacre is.
"While Zionist Terrorists bombed one of the oldest churches in the world in Gaza today. The Church of Saint Porphyrius is over 1,600 years old." Did the church do it?
Did the people having an open-air rave next to the site where two million people are held captive in unviable conditions - come under attack - being killed and captured - yes.
The "civillians at a party" were soldiers like this "A tank instructor in the Israeli army, Alper knew she was safe when she heard a different kind of explosion — the sound of an Israeli army tank round."
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-music-festival-6a55aae2375944f10ecc4c52d05f2ffe
Is the loss of innocent life tragic - yes of course, but spare me the false equivalence or the pretence that the cohort of people at that event and the conscript army aren't one and the same.
Let's say every person there was a total innocent. Does it means 91 children should be killed by the Zionists. That 2 million people should be denied water.
They are an occupied people and some of the people at that event perpetrated massacres against them https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/15/middleeast/huwara-west-bank-settler-attack-cmd-intl/index.html
Should they wait to be burned to death in their home with https://www.hrw.org/report/2009/03/25/rain-fire/israels-unlawful-use-white-phosphorus-gaza.
Conversely there is a lot of video doing the rounds of clearly frightened women/children being resassured they will not be harmed by armed men. So take that as clearly they are intending on prosecuting a media war as well.
I don't think the liberation movement wants to hurt people for the sake of hurting people, but they want to be free, and they mean to obtain their freedom - hurting innocents doesn't accord with that - but suggesting it does accord with the Zionist State Terrorist group record of dehumanizing Palestinians in preparation for massacres.
"a war criminal who's presence is structural violence in itself"
Did you use this same tired drivel about the IRA as well?
Hundreds of people have been killed, hundreds more will be as a consequence and all you can do is repeat the usual garbage? How very sad.
Your video shows only that civillians were captured by Hamas - that's not in dispute - the idea of a massacre is.
I don't think there's any dispute, or idea of a massacre because there's plenty of video evidence that it was an actual massacre. Hamas flying their power gliders to the party would seem a pretty clear intention that it was a deliberate target. There's also plenty of video of partygoers being shot and executed at that event, and similarly in and around the villages where Hamas staged it's breakout.
93-94% of Palestine was owned by private individuals in 1948. The people still have the deeds, the ownership, the keys.
The Ukrainian terrorists from Odessa (first Zionist colonialists ) didn’t set foot in Palestine before 1885.
It belongs to them still, just as the assets stolen under Nazi rule during 39-45 still belong to the owners.
It’s farcical to suggest Eastern and Central European terrorists are entitled to Western Asia on the basis of identification with a political Ideology.
The crimes against humanity are well documented – including here https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001q7qz/storyville-blue-box
Palestine lives.
Don't feed the virulently antisemitic troll. It's like arguing with a Putinbot.
Do not conflate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. They're generally entirely different things. Israelis and Jews know this, hence why there have been protests and peace events in Israel and around the world. There's also a long list of 'international law'-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel
including..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2334
United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334 was adopted on 23 December 2016. It concerns the Israeli settlements in "Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem". The resolution passed in a 14–0 vote by members of the United Nations Security Council (UNSC). Four members with United Nations Security Council veto power (China, France, Russia, and the United Kingdom) voted for the resolution, while the United States abstained
Which is the root of much of the problem. Namely the UN is rather toothless. Then there are internal political divisions within Israel, namely those that want peace, and those that want to develop luxury beach front properties where Gaza is now. Plus Bibi's rather unpopular right now with some of his judicial and other reform programs, and last I checked, still had a few legal problems to deal with. So this is a useful distraction for him.
There's also a bunch of conspiracy theories, like trying to rope Russia, and specifically Putin into the plot. In some ways, Israel is doing Russia a favour and the West is walking into a trap. Israel illegally occupies a lot of territory, as does Russia. The West supports Israel's annexation, but condemns Russia. Only a few days ago, the West was queuing up to condemn Russia for a 'war crime' in bombing a restaurant. Now, Bibi has been doing what he does best and obliterating civilians in Gaza.. Which is the trap. The West supports war crimes and the deliberate targetting of civilians and civil property in Israel, yet insists that Putin be hauled infront of a court and found guilty of 'war crimes'. The 'siege' of Gaza is a war crime in itself.
But it's also one of those two wrongs don't make a right situations. Palestinians have a right to self-defence, but nothing justifies the slaughter of the party goers, civilians near Gaza or the kidnapping and possible execution of those civilians. Those are clearly both crimes, and 'war crimes'. It's a tough situation for both Ukrainians and Israelis, but as usual, the politics aren't really helping. The UN's already condemned some of Israel's collective punishment and retaliation strikes, but the UN is really toothless. It'll be interesting to see what other resolutions follow though.
Yes the objection to the murder and violent dispossession is the identity of the perpetrator as an atheist with an grandparent from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
They'd be totally fine with being murdered by fellow faceless brown people /s
So what if the murderers are Jews? what difference does it make to Ukrainians and Poles dispossessing Palestinians?
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/09/jewish-settlers-stole-my-house-its-not-my-fault-theyre-jewish/
Besides most Zionists in the US are Christians, and most in Israel are "secular" i.e. "I don't believe in god but I believe god gave me your house."
Zionism is a Christian Idea originally - then taken up by atheists in service of imperial powers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism
"Advocacy of the restoration of Palestine as a national homeland for the Jews was first heard among self-identified Christian groups in the 1580s"
To this day - the Zionists quote the Bible not the Torah or Talmud to justify their crimes.
": “You need to change the narrative of the Bible because it’s all there”" https://network.aljazeera.net/en/pressroom/israel%E2%80%99s-education-minister-al-jazeera-cites-bible-jewish-claim-occupied-territories
it represented a marked shift for Ben-Gurion, who had always grounded the Zionist claim to Palestine in the Bible, not in the diaspora’s history of persecution.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v41/n20/adam-shatz/we-are-conquerors
Ben-Gurion was born David Yosef Gruen in 1886, into a Yiddish-speaking family of three brothers and two sisters in the town of Płońsk, seventy kilometres west of Warsaw. The Gruens lived in an insular Jewish world and never thought of themselves as Poles. Ben-Gurion’s father, Victor, was an early supporter of Theodor Herzl and nurtured his son’s Zionism; Ben-Gurion claimed that he knew at the age of three that he would eventually live in Palestine. In his teens he joined Po’alei Zion (‘Workers of Zion’) and soon established himself as a ‘thuggish labour boss’: he and his comrades would go around Płońsk with pistols, extorting money from wealthy Jews to improve conditions for Jewish workers. ‘We have weapons and we will kill you all like dogs,’ Ben-Gurion is said to have told his enemies in the Bund, who were socialists but not Zionists. When speaking of his heroes, he expressed himself in a different register, infused with romantic nationalism: on Herzl’s death in 1904, Ben-Gurion proclaimed him ‘the instrument of the gods’, thanks to whom Zionism would triumph in ‘the land of poetry and truth, of flowers and the visions of the prophets’.
The rabbis of Płońsk did not share his admiration. Zionism violated the Talmudic prohibition against any attempt to reconquer the Holy Land before the return of the Messiah, and they forbade their followers from marrying into Zionist families.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v41/n20/adam-shatz/we-are-conquerors
Tell you what, I'd love to go, there is a Violent Eastern European terrorist group committing genocide there - so obvs would quite like that sorted first, but sure I'd love to visit the heart of the Fertile Crescent.
I love my gardening, and
"One of the most detailed descriptions of the fellah’s farm during this period is captured
by Elazari-Volcani (1930). Its most distinguishing features was the farm’s complete au-
tarky or self-sufficiency, in other words almost no external inputs entered the agro-ecosys-
tem."
"The differing views about the sustainability and the economic viability of the Pales-
tinian Masha’a system and its eventual confrontation with Jewish agriculture are not
merely academic because the image of Palestine as an untended wilderness has served
numerous ideological goals of Zionism. The often-repeated claim that the settlers made
the «desert bloom» is often used as a justification for Jewish possession of the land. This
is questioned by Buheiry (1981: 68): «The economic importance of Palestine has tradi-
tionally been underestimated, generally for myth construction purposes: a dominant
theme, taken for granted by the Western world, is the Zionist claim that the region was
a desert which bloomed with the arrival of the first wave of Jewish colons-pioneers late
in the nineteenth century. In fact, Palestine has always been an important producer of
key agricultural commodities and was experiencing a significant expansion of agricul-
ture and allied manufactures at least two generations before the arrival of the first colons
from East Europe
Projecting Much - Some choice quotes.
"The fact that Israel is able to cut off all water, food, electricity supply and medicines to 2 million human beings ought, perhaps, be telling us something about the power structure in the region."
"More than two million Palestinians live in Gaza. The tiny, crowded coastal enclave has a nearly 50 percent unemployment rate, and Gaza’s living conditions, health system and infrastructure have all deteriorated under the blockade.
Israel says the blockade is necessary to stop the flow of arms into the territory, but Palestinians and aid groups say it is collective punishment and exacerbates dire economic and social conditions."
"The Hamas assault on the Erez crossing, the looming symbol of Israel’s security infrastructure at the far northern end of the Gaza Strip, was indicative of what would come at other key locations.
A maze of rooms, populated with cameras and hi-tech scanners, double “tiger trap” doors all overseen by Israeli officials who deliver commands by loudspeaker, it is also a surveillance and communications hub, set into the high concrete wall that guards that part of Gaza."
Can anyone remember a single day ever when the IOF, Israeli "security'" or "settlers" have not murdered a Palestinian, attacked a Palestinian village, ransacked or stolen a Palestinian home or detained indefinitely a Palestinian without trial ? So Israel is retaliating for what?
The Zionist State Terrorist group is a genocidal racist entity commiting crimes against humanity and it should be a proscribed organization with the members prosecuted for the war crimes they commit.
Well this comments section is going to get tasty.
It shouldn't need to. Sure, there's been the usual Russophobia, but that's largely out of ignorance. Israel hasn't really been supporting Ukraine, at least not openly. Ukraine had demanded Iron Dome, but AFAIK Israel hasn't supplied any systems. Which given the volume of missiles currently being yeeted in Israel's general direction is probably just as well.
It might test the recent ICRC guidance, but it might also highlight how effective or ineffective 'hactivism' actually is. Sure it might generate some press, but in the grand scheme of things, it's probably the least of Israel, Palestine or Lebanon's worries right now. What's probably a bigger concern is if any of Israel's opponents have copied Ukraine/Russia's use of drones. I saw yesterday there'd been a big build up of tanks and other AFV's on Lebanon's border, but only seen a few reports of drone strikes.
Biggest challenge might be the usual logistics one. Israel had large stockpiles of weapons, but there have also been rumors that some US stock had been sent to Ukraine, so if that will lead to more shortages of ammunition for both conflicts.
Israel might well be a bit more inclined to support Ukraine given events; and Iranian supply chain involvement 100% proven to be involved in one of the two conflicts.
It is not an unreasonable assumption they have some hand in the other; and probable evidence out there of it (beyond BS turned out on a search engine).
Israel might well be a bit more inclined to support Ukraine given events; and Iranian supply chain involvement 100% proven to be involved in one of the two conflicts.
I doubt it. Israel has it's own problems now. So does Ukraine given it's been knocked off the news top story. Then the news has problems given collective punishment and bombing apartment buildings.
It shouldn't need to. Sure, there's been the usual Russophobia, but that's largely out of ignorance. Israel hasn't really been supporting Ukraine, at least not openly. Ukraine had demanded Iron Dome, but AFAIK Israel hasn't supplied any systems. Which given the volume of missiles currently being yeeted in Israel's general direction is probably just as well.
Ahem.
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/israeli-ew-radars-to-defend-ukraine-from-russian-strikes-military-trains-in-poland-to-master-the-systems/
So that was like 4 months back, and it's just gone live.
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/israeli-early-warning-radar-system-to-start-working-in-kyiv-soon/
Also, "Russophobia" would be an irrational fear of Russians. People don't have an irrational fear of a Russia; the country is an international laughing stock that can't manage to provide it's own subjects with the living conditions managed in large parts of Africa such as running water and interior toilets.
What are we supposed to be afraid of, the prowess of it's military? They've had their entire modern army wiped out after being the one to launch an unprovoked surprise attack on a neighbour, and is now only propped up by emptying it's prisons into it's army with the treat of shooting them if they don't get shot by the Ukrainians, with equipment seemingly coming from scrapyards or museums. The only thing they can do is cower in trenches behind minefields and spray enough ammunition that people don't go near them, which is not really an offensive war winning strategy.
So that was like 4 months back, and it's just gone live.
Yep. Non-lethal aid. It's also supplied stuff like body armour, NVGs, medical supplies etc. For some reason, Israelis aren't very keen on arming groups that chose to use emblems from the SS Galacian or Das Reich divisions.
Also, "Russophobia" would be an irrational fear of Russians.
Yep, Putin is hell bent on world domination hell bent on expanding Russia! Contact your local arms supplier now, support your MIC! Well, unless you're a civilian, in which case, no arms for you! Putin also 'weaponised' gas.. Or didn't, the EU did that by sanctioning it's citizens and refusing to buy Russian gas. Well, not directly, it now buys Russian gas from India instead at a premium. Or Putin weaponised food and is starving the world. Again, that's us. Our dear leaders sanctioned Russian food exports, reducing supply of grains, fertilisers etc to world markets. Inflation of course followed.
They've had their entire modern army wiped out after being the one to launch an unprovoked surprise attack on a neighbour, and is now only propped up by emptying it's prisons into it's army with the treat of shooting them if they don't get shot by the Ukrainians, with equipment seemingly coming from scrapyards or museums.
And yet Ukraine is 20% smaller than it was, and the much hyped counter-offensive has resulted in Ukraine losing territory, not gaining it. But then this conflict was never really about territory, but attrition. We've poured billions of dollars worth of vehicles, weapons and training into Ukraine, and now it's mostly scrap metal. Ukraine also emptied it's prisons at the start of the conflict, and has been shooting 'cowards' who refuse to obey insane orders. It's been snatching people off the streets and sending them off to the meat grinder while wealthy Ukrainian 'refugees' live it up around Europe. Oh, and much of the equipment 'donated' to Ukraine has also come from our scrapyards and museums.
And now of course our press & politicians have a useful distraction and have shifted attention to Israel. Bomb a European and it's a war crime. Evacuate European children from a war zone and it's a war crime. Indiscriminately bomb, shell and generally beseige Arab civilians and that's just fine.. But such is politics.
We've poured billions of dollars worth of vehicles, weapons and training into Ukraine, and now it's mostly scrap metal.
I think the vatnik has malfunctioned. Either you've just said that the Glorious Russian Army is a pile of Soviet era junk from scrapyards or museums, in which case your committing the crime of discrediting the Russian army, or your admitting that western equipment pulled from scrapyards and museums is so far superior to your equipment that your having serious trouble dealing with it, in which case your committing the crime of discrediting the Russian Army.
..or your admitting that western equipment pulled from scrapyards and museums is so far superior to your equipment that your having serious trouble dealing with it
Strange kind of logic. Ukraine's admitted that a lot of the Western kit has had maintenance issues, which is unsuprising given a lot of it was old stock that had been stored for a very long time. There's also plenty of evidence around places like Robotyne that the 'far superior' Western kit hasn't caused Russia much problem turning it into scrap.. Which is not entirely unexpected given the nature of that conflict.
Challenge however is if you look at the vehicles Israel has been assembling in preparation for any ground assault, it's much the same. Lots of M113 APCs, slowly being replaced by it's Eitan AFVs, Merkava tanks and the same kind of stuff that's been wrecked in Ukraine, and the last time Israel went into Lebanon and Gaza. IDF should have the advantage of better air support, but who knows what lessons Hamas and Hezbollah have learned since the last ground assault? One thing that's pretty much certain though is drones will likely play a big part.
"Putin weaponised food and is starving the world. Again, that's us. Our dear leaders sanctioned Russian food exports"
Remind me - who was it bombing grain stores and blockading ports to prevent grain shipments from leaving Ukraine? Oh, was that "the west"? Why, no it wasn't! It was your pal Putin. Where are you getting your "facts" from ??
Up to know, Hamas was more into rhetoric than this king suicidal action...
Yet Hamas cannot refuse anything to Iran...
And Iran is happy to help Russia.
Coincidentally, at a point in time when the US political scene is quite unstable and military ordinance is in short supply.
Just connecting the dots here.
No one here is going to be right.
There are people here who would like to see the complete annihilation of Palestine. There are people here who would like to see the complete annihilation of Israel. There are people who don't give two shits about the kids being blown up in tower blocks by Israeli bombs. There are people who think it's absolutely fine Israel kids died by gunfire at a festival this weekend. The spectrum for discourse just gets narrower the more opinions painted as facts are brought in to it, time and again it's been shown that The Reg readers - as great as we are - are no better than the knuckledraggers on Twitter.
There have been articles on The Reg that they have not allowed any sort of comments to be put on in the past. Nothing articles really, the comments would've been along the lines of "the fuck is this about?". The Reg have the technology to shut the comments off in the first place. There have been articles regarding Israel/Palestine before, I have been on them, and like I said they degrade to vicious noise that doesn't do either side any good. We know this, The Reg knows this.
They've done it for clicks, something rather disgusting really considering the thousands of lives lost in a conflict that shouldn't have been allowed to have gone on for as long as it has. And no doubt will carry an article regarding a report on the damage social media does to society or how Musk's Twitter is now a hot bed for hate - yet have gone out of their way to publish this article with the comments section turned on, knowing what will happen.
Fuck you El Reg. And fuck the rest of you who can't have an adult conversation.
The conversation has been mostly civilised apart from the foam flecked Zionist apologist, who don't debate but rather hurl invective and nonsense.
All people deserve to live in freedom with equal rights, some people disagree with that, and are violently suppressing millions of people.
It's absurd to suggest that all people having equal rights is somehow wrong while people are literally being murdered from the sky by a terrorist group for sharing an ethnicity with a national liberation movement.
"foam fleckled zionist apologist"
I assume you are talking about me. You see the senseless and wanton rape and murder of innocent civilians, including forty babies - some of whom had their heads cut off - has got me a little agitated.
I want the people who did it to be boiled alive. And you are there supporting them (a proscribed terror organisation) and their right to commit war crimes.
So obviously I'm not remotely interested in debating with you. I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
The Zionist State Terrorist group is commiting genocide in full view of the world, broadcasting it's intentions to commit genocide.
The ZST have murdered hundreds of children, have members of their terrorist council calling for genocide and ethnic cleansing of the entire 2million people of the Gaza Ghetto.
The murderous reprisal against the Gaza Ghetto uprising evokes historical parallels with another Ghetto uprising with the response of massive destruction and starvation as a weapon of war.
It's clearer than ever that Eastern Europeans Terrorists don't belong in Western Asia.
You can try to obscure the reality that People from Western Asia have a right to resist Eastern European Terrorists who have invaded them, dispossessed them and subjected millions of them to a brutal apartheid regime for decades.
Do you condemn the actions of the Zionist State Terrorist Group occupying Palestine ?
The hasbra and lies are unreal - you've offered no evidence of your outrageous claim - the babies - https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-says-it-does-not-have-confirmation-about-allegations-that-hamas-beheaded-babies-/3014787 Seems the Israeli are disputing it.
Given you condemn "killing unarmed people"
Do you condemn the actions of the Zionist State Terrorist Group occupying Palestine ?
Zionists are murdering children and people simply for sharing an ethnicity with Hamas members, and not a word of condemnation from the Apartheid apologists.
We need to flatten Gaza,” he said harshly. “That’s where we’re going, without stopping too much to worry about who gets hurt. We sustained a humiliation, and we will have to retaliate
Using Starvation as a weapon of war against two million people - proudly tweeting the destruction of residential high-rise buildings killing over 400 children so far. the Zionists are bombing schools, mosques, hospitals, directly - calling for completion of the slow motion genocide begun in 1948.
Do you condemn the actions of the Zionist State Terrorist group occupying Palestine ?
As the Zionist enemy declares 2 million people in Gaza, half of them children, to be "human animals," cuts off food and water to all of them and openly massacres them ... the whole rotten Western elite, endorses this savagery"
I hope that a end to the fighting is called, with all people being give equal rights in a democratic Free Palestine.
hear they don't sort the recycling as well - care to cite your outrageous claim? Which is such crap -
The number of Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in Gaza has risen to 704, the Gaza-based Health Ministry said early Tuesday.
The ministry said the death toll includes 143 children and 105 women.
It said the number of wounded has risen to around 4,000.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/death-toll-of-palestinians-killed-by-israeli-army-in-gaza-rises-to-704-health-ministry/3013513
You can try to obscure the reality that People from Western Asia have a right to resist Eastern European who have invaded them, dispossessed them and subjected millions of them to a brutal apartheid regime for decades.
"Israel kids died by gunfire at a festival this weekend"
You spelled "Tank instructor on illegally occupied land, and army members" as "kids" - where as actual children are being murdered as equivalent is the dishonest Zionism.
The long list of army ranks doesn't make it quite clear they attacked soldiers, it's obvious the ages correlate - to suggest that anybody other than the Zionist State Terrorist group has targeted children is false.
Are you suggesting that the Zionist media is reporting on the deaths of Armed forces but suppressing the names of civilians ? Seems unlikely - so given the vast majority of the names of the dead are Zionist State Terrorists.
They are not "kids", the Palestinians have had eight decades of their children killed, and you suggest the Zionist State terrorist group's members are not fair game with shit music playing.
Everybody deserves equal rights, and if they commit crimes they should account for them. But It's laughable to suggest that "uninvolved civilians" isn't "off-duty conscript in the army of terrorist group" see Tank instructor.
Remind me, who exactly are they allowed to target if not the army? It seems you are complaining its unfair that people are not meekly slaughtered, and shock horror engaged in armed struggle to seek their freedom. Isn't that a good thing? Don't we support freedom and democracy? The universal application of human rights.
I fully agree with you, pure click bait.
Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells is also quite right, Hamas is a proscribed organisation* and to 'express an opinion or belief that is supportive of a proscribed organisation' can get you 14 years porridge here in the UK.
*Also in US & others
I've never looked at that list, but I have today and did have to laugh a little at this:
"Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) - Proscribed March 2001
The precise aims of the ASG are unclear, but it's objectives appear to include the establishment of an autonomous Islamic state in the Southern Phillippine island of Mindanao"
It only made me laugh a little considering the rest of the groups there are described as wanting to achieve their goals through violent means. This one seems fairly mundane compared to the rest.
No, nobody is supporting the annihilation of Paletine here - there is the usual moronic ranting about "genocide" (about a country whose population is increasing - maybe they ought to look up the meaning of the word?) and rabid anti-semitic and pro palestine/russia diatribe. Calls for Israel to be destroyed seem to be acceptable....
...or how Musk's Twitter is now a hot bed for hate
The EU's sent a letter demanding Twitter censor all the bad things. Musk responded by asking what, exactly they should be banning, and why? Which seems a reasonable request.
..yet have gone out of their way to publish this article with the comments section turned on, knowing what will happen
Some see conspiracies where there are none. Practically all of ElReg's articles, other than the occasional advertorial or 'sponsored post' allow comments, and moderation is generally light. Which is good, because then comments and commentors can stand or fall by their comments, not the political opinions of censors.
"The EU's sent a letter demanding Twitter censor all the bad things. Musk responded by asking what, exactly they should be banning, and why? Which seems a reasonable request."
Musk knows perfectly well what is breaking EU laws. He's a nasty little closet right wing apologist. The same letter was sent to Meta, who did not respond like a whiny child.
Thierry Breton, the commissioner responsible for the act, wrote to Musk to urge him to ensure “a prompt, accurate, and complete response” to the request to contact Europol, the EU police enforcement agency, and “relevant law enforcement agencies” within the next 24 hours.
Musk responded with "Please list the violations you allude to on X, so that the public can see them."
Breton replied “Up to you to demonstrate that you walk the talk.”
X came under scrutiny in the past few days after concerns were raised about fake posts and Elon Musk’s recommendation of war coverage from accounts that have made false claims or antisemitic comments.
Musk recommended two accounts on Sunday, writing: “For following the war in real-time, @WarMonitors and @sentdefender are good. It is also worth following direct sources on the ground. Please add interesting options in the replies below.”
So yes, X/twitter is being steered (by Musk) to becoming an organ for hatred and conspiracy theories.
Just a quick additional point or two - all those saying Israel is committing "genocide" have a couple of problems.
Firstly, while the deaths of a few thousand (largely civilian) people is never something to be supported (and please note that the BBC and others are quite happy to accept Hamas figures as absolute truth, while questioning every Israeli claim of finding tunnels, arms caches etc under hospitals...) it is quite clearly NOT genocide.
Secondly, where was your outrage when hundreds of thousands were killed in Syria, Yemen, etc etc? Where were your cries of "genocide"? Oh, thats right, it wasnt being done by Israel so thats ok, apparently.
And thirdly, Musky has now openly come out in support of an antisemtic post on X. Says all you need to know about those who still support him.
It has aroused my curiosity about the timing of this flare-up of a war that started in 1930. The Israeli government was beginning to make a detente with the Saudis while Jordan and Egypt had settled into a watchful peace. In Israel one growing party rejected any thought of any agreement with anyone including the Israeli government while demanding the right to maintain a private militia (reports dis not cover the shirt color) and the Hamas loosing local support because their promises made 13 year ago when picked as authority for the area now of a cause that unites people behind their seemingly opposing views. Is this a putsch by two group seeking more power? Any answers or is this cynic seeing chimeras?
Now for something different
It was a mere two weeks ago i believe that the IRC announced rules about legitimate cyber targets. It appears that the League of Nations rules fared better; those rules lasted to 1935. There exists an adage abut Sam Colt and equality. It appears that this means of communication now makes the keyboard more dangerous and of longer lasting effect. What is and has been said here echoes other outlets (!) and might be partial proof that cyber guerilla will worsen until it is destroyed.
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