back to article US lawmakers want China export bans to include open tech like RISC-V

Three members of the US Congress have expressed concerns that the nation's export controls regime are ineffective because they allow free sharing of open technology with China. Representative Mike Gallagher (R-WI), chairman of the House select committee on China, told Reuters he wants the Department of Commerce to "require any …

  1. that one in the corner Silver badge

    Previously undocumented C++ backdoor

    FFS - it is just an old fashioned Trojan Horse exe that they con people into downloading via email, with a double file extension like fred.doc.exe - so why name-check C++? To point out how behind the times these people are and get them to use Rust instead?

    There is a good bit of description in that report about the sequence the Trojan initiates, mingled with the usual jargon, but come on: that wording isn't trying to imply that there is some kind of secret backdoor inside the very depths of C++ that we never knew about?

    It was just there to fool poor, innocent, gullible people, like sensitive young Register reporters, into copying the sensationalist phrase and hiding the fact that this is just a Trojan, with a pointlessly fancy name, and that the only take-away message is should be "take care not to run exes in unsolicited email attachments"!

    1. that one in the corner Silver badge

      Re: Previously undocumented C++ backdoor

      PS

      Oh, that headline RISC-V stuff?

      As I've got some third-party gadgets, already a few years old, with Made in China "AI enhanced" RISC-V inside them[1], I'm pretty sure that that horse bolted a long time ago.

      US[2] politicians shouting and waving their arms about pointlessly, getting the people all scared and riled up, in order to be seen to be Doing Something Important? Inconceivable!

      [1] FWIW, Kendryte K210 CPUs, from Canaan Creative; not saying that is an especially important, rare or special device, quite the opposite, which is the point, really. Other Chinese RISC-V manufacturers exist (Alibaba, for starters).

      [2] other brands of politician are available, though you may be hard-pressed to tell them apart.

      1. Joe W Silver badge
        Big Brother

        Re: Previously undocumented C++ backdoor

        It is US politicians. They don't get what "open" or "free" means...

        1. may_i

          Re: Previously undocumented C++ backdoor

          It is politicians. They don't get what "open" or "free" means...

          Fixed your comment for you.

          1. Joe W Silver badge
            Pint

            Re: Previously undocumented C++ backdoor

            I stand (ok, sit) corrected...

        2. abend0c4 Silver badge

          Re: Previously undocumented C++ backdoor

          They particularly don't seem to get "free" as in "free market". One of the inevitable consequences of capitalism is that "US dominance of the intellectual property" is a transitory state. Perhaps they've decided that capitalism isn't working out for them - it would certainly explain a lot about recent US politics.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Previously undocumented C++ backdoor

            Large non competitive monopolies paying leaders for their privilege predates Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations" by quite some time.

  2. hammarbtyp

    export bans to include open source

    Well that worked well the last time it was tried with encryption technology.

    In fact i spent too much of my life ensuring that products are not exported to places like China with the crypto technology that anyone can get via openSSL etc

    The best way to control things like RISC is the technology that is used to manufacture the chips using the latest and greatest Fab tech, not by making rules that no one will follow

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: export bans to include open source

      Follow the money.

      Whose paying him to push the idea that open source = you're spying for China

      The house un-American activities commission asking "are you now, or have you ever been a Firefox user

  3. teknopaul

    Banning open-source exports don't work

    Who wants risc V with export restrictions and no ability to fab where you want?

    You can just virtually move dev to Sweden or China. Open-source is not owned by one country to restrict it.

    If they do it it will be like SSL, pain in the arse for USA and US companies customers, and for everyone else SSL just works because there are no restrictions.

    You'd have thought they would learn.

    1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

      Re: Banning open-source exports don't work

      A new set of people, though.

      "This time it will be different!"

      Why?

      "Because we're doing it, and not those losers who tried it before."

  4. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    All Things are radically fundamentally changing. Haven't you noticed the changes yet?

    How strange it is to be flip flopping between thinking Uncle Sam is a painfully slow learner and believing him to be incapable of learning anything fast enough to be able to lead anyone or anything anywhere good, especially whenever the evidence is that others have moved on quite considerably to led in spheres of powerful influence and universal energy having recognised their earlier failures rather than constantly being bombarded and disadvantaged by repeats of them.

    What part[s] of the earlier The Register post ...Sun 1 Jan 2023 // 11:04 UTC, and the associated comment suggesting 2023 .... the Year of the Surprising Underdog with Tails of the Sublime and Surreal and Totally Unexpected and Undeniable. .... Tuesday 3rd January 2023 06:54 GMT, do Uncle Sam, and obviously completely unhelpful allies, not yet get/understand?

  5. garwhale Bronze badge

    "If we don't broaden our export controls to include this threat, China will one day surpass us as the global leader in chip design."

    More export controls will only incentivize China to pour state money into overtaking the U.S.; that's happening already. In the end, Intel, Apple etc. will sell less to China. People will buy gear with Chinese chips because they will be cheaper.

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