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The contract award for the £480 million ($588 million) NHS Federated Data Platform – a huge analytics project for one of the world's largest healthcare providers – has been delayed by a few weeks. When the competition was formally launched in January, official documents suggested keen bidders – controversial spy-tech firm …

  1. Tron Silver badge

    Have they done any due diligence?

    The NHS is dying through underfunding, Brexit-originated loss of staff, Brexit-originated inflation and strikes. People cannot easily obtain healthcare and consider a trip to hospital to come with a free dose of Covid.

    Lots of us are never going to use the apps or video appointments. Anyone who can afford it pays for private healthcare due to the waiting lists. NHS services are being centralised as there are so few staff and so little money, and people just can't get to them.

    There are 7.5 million on the waiting lists getting sicker. And much of the software creating the data could do with some treatment too. Was it 24,000 patient letters that didn't get sent out because they were stored in a folder nobody knew about? How accessible is all that data? People are relying on anything they can get from Boots OTC. Painkillers especially. Post-Brexit, we now live with illness rather than fixing it. G7 in name only. First world in name only.

    Like most things in Brexit Britain, the NHS is collapsing, winding down, falling apart - pick your term of choice. And it is going to get worse, not better. Would you buy used data from a service like that? Is it reliable? Is it relevant to a fully functioning healthcare service? Big data is not all equal. It's value lies in its relevance.

    1. Tim 11

      Re: Have they done any due diligence?

      Underfunding? At £480 million for yet another soon-to-be failed IT project, it seems like they've got money to burn

      1. 43300 Silver badge

        Re: Have they done any due diligence?

        The NHS isn't particularly under-funded - it's just very bad at spending its funding on what the general public expect it to spend it on.

        Swathes of management layers, project managers, EDI Managers and other elements of the bloated bureocracy soak up a large part of the funding. And although it's branded as one entity, it's actually made up of many commissioning groups and overlapping trusts, all with their own management structures, plus assorted contractors, consultants, agency staff, etc.

        1. abend0c4 Silver badge

          Re: Have they done any due diligence?

          Historically, the NHS was one of the most efficient healthcare providers in the world - though it was a bit chaotic.

          It's still not that bad, but its decline in efficiency has to some extent been driven by an obsession that data and more management would somehow make it more efficient still. That obsession has not come from the NHS, but largely from central government and the Treasury in particular.

          Part of the excess of management results from the need now for every episode of care to be costed, recorded and billed and from the transfer of funds around the system to make this shadow billing system work. That system is entirely pointless in a free healthcare system: it may give politicians more insight into where the money is going, but it doesn't really give them any meaningful control (which is probably just as well). It does, however, make it much easier to incorporate private healthcare providers as you have internal price benchmarks against which evaluate bids and an accounting system to make the payments.

          You can, of course, view this in two ways. Either it's a genuine attempt to make the health service more efficient by forcing it to demonstrate its cost-effectiveness compared to the private sector or its an enabling step to total privatisation. Given that it's fairly apparent now that forcing the NHS to create the bureaucratic overhead of private health care has been terrible for its operational effectiveness and yet that no-one is talking of reversing it, I think we can see where it's heading.

          It's all part of the increasing incompetence of government. The focus on trivia, short-term news agenda, the shifting opinions of focus groups along with the subordination of the civil service makes it increasingly impossible for politics to deliver big, complex things whether they be the NHS, HS2 or a credible defence force. It was always tricky, but politics seems to have given up on the notion on the boring, tough bits of government. It would once have been incredible that a British politician would have suggested that the government had no responsibility to see the population was at least fed and housed and yet you hear it frequently these days from at least one mainstream party. There's been a complete failure of moral ambition in politics and it's been replaced by pure self interest. Which is kind of the opposite of what we have governments for.

  2. cantankerous swineherd

    from the linked gov.uk article

    As the National Data Guardian, I want to help the NHS avoid any further setbacks on the path to progress

    progress meaning handing the entire population's health data over to anyone who can monetise it. she's compromised.

    1. MrTuK

      I have already removed my consent for any use of my personal medical data, because it will never be used for my wellness just some companies profiteering of it and will probably get hacked anyway !

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Always a "central database"

    No consideration of other options.

    Like, for example, defining a data format and letting us choose who to trust our data to.

    1. MatthewSt Silver badge

      Re: Always a "central database"

      Why should we need to trust any third parties?

      Let the NHS build and run the system itself. Make the code open source (if only read-only), but written by the NHS. Bound to be cheaper than getting someone to build a solution for you.

      1. 43300 Silver badge

        Re: Always a "central database"

        First they'd have to clearly specify their requirements and not change them umpteed times while it's in development. This seems to be where a lot of public-sector IT projects fail.

        1. MatthewSt Silver badge

          Re: Always a "central database"

          Getting requirements nailed down is always good, but outsourced projects fail more than in house ones in that scenario. Partially because you're over a barrel at that point with your current supplier, where you either get the wrong thing delivered for (maybe) the original cost, nothing delivered if you can walk away and lose what you've already paid, or pay a premium to change the spec.

          The NHS is paying £77m per year (as of 2018) to EMIS and TPP just for patient records systems that probably don't even cover the whole of the NHS. Could build quite a team with that budget!

  4. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Unhappy

    Scammer's delight

    In recent months I been seeing ambiguously worded txt messages with a request to respond via one of those compressed URLs. The title is just DOCTOR SURGERY (yes all capitals) and the source is a withheld number.

    Now where have I seen that sort of thing before?

  5. Roopee Silver badge
    Big Brother

    Topsy-Turvey

    It seems to me that Dr Byrne is the guardian/purveyor of disinformation rather than data...

  6. s. pam
    Alert

    pop onto wapost.com for a real eye opening article on Palantir

    their data grab is just the tip of the iceberg for what they're planning to land grab in the UK!

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    NHS, a death by a thousand cuts

    Yes, I wrote “cuts”.

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