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A PhD student has been found guilty of building a potentially deadly drone for Islamic State terrorists, in part using his home 3D printer. Mohamad Al Bared, 26, a mechanical engineering graduate who was studying at Birmingham University in England, was convicted on Thursday of engaging in conduct in preparation of terrorist …

  1. JimmyPage
    Happy

    The cops also reportedly discovered at the home an IS application form,

    Sorry, for some reason that has tickled me pink. Suddenly they have lost all scariness.

    1. David 132 Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: The cops also reportedly discovered at the home an IS application form,

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    2. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: The cops also reportedly discovered at the home an IS application form,

      I know. Fucking bureaucracy gets everywhere. You can't even blow things up these days without first filling out a form.

      1. David 132 Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: The cops also reportedly discovered at the home an IS application form,

        For some reason the line "so what is he, is he a martyr or is he a f**king jalfrezi??" line from Four Lions (after they've just suicide-bombed a sheep) comes to mind!

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: The cops also reportedly discovered at the home an IS application form,

        you can blow up things without first filling out a form, but there are potential consequences...

      3. Rob
        Coffee/keyboard

        Re: The cops also reportedly discovered at the home an IS application form,

        Stop, you lot are making me spray coffee over the entire desk. Got visions of ISIS terrorists in a training camp being taught how to do a dynamic risk assessment before strapping a bomb to their chest.

      4. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: The cops also reportedly discovered at the home an IS application form,

        “ I know. Fucking bureaucracy gets everywhere. You can't even blow things up these days without first filling out a form.”

        Tell me about it, cant even destroy planets for a new intergalactic bypass without filling in some form

    3. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: The cops also reportedly discovered at the home an IS application form,

      IS were well-known for having an unusually good bureaucracy and documentation for things that other groups might not write down, such as exactly who they stole what from and whether the person from whom it was stolen was murdered, enslaved, imprisoned, or escaped. I'm not surprised they have application forms, given that their recruiters were probably quite eager to collect as much personal information on possible supporters as they could.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: The cops also reportedly discovered at the home an IS application form,

        Given that the "S" stands for "State" a Civil Service attitude is to be expected.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: The cops also reportedly discovered at the home an IS application form,

          Hitler's Germany was excellent at keeping records, which probably came in handy for the trials afterwards....

          1. CowHorseFrog Silver badge

            Re: The cops also reportedly discovered at the home an IS application form,

            Yes its scarey how the worlds arseholes are always very very obsessed with forms and paperwork.

            1. Paul Hovnanian Silver badge

              Re: The cops also reportedly discovered at the home an IS application form,

              One learns from one's mistakes. Our ex-mayor is infamous for having deleted numerous texts from her phone.

    4. Jason Bloomberg Silver badge

      Re: The cops also reportedly discovered at the home an IS application form,

      And this is why the Home Secretary should be insisting the Royal Mail open all letters and checks them.

      Yes, sarcasm. But I'm sure many of her right wing pals would support the idea.

      1. BartyFartsLast Silver badge

        Re: The cops also reportedly discovered at the home an IS application form,

        Get with the times, nobody uses snail mail these days, it's all online now.

        Which is why they're pushing for enforced backdoors to break end to end encryption.

    5. Jamie Jones Silver badge

      Re: The cops also reportedly discovered at the home an IS application form,

      Question 1: "Are you - or have you ever been - involved in a terrorist organisation"

      Ooops.

    6. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: The cops also reportedly discovered at the home an IS application form,

      "Suddenly they have lost all scariness."

      Yeah, I took one look at that and though, it ain't gonna fly unless it's got a rocket or micro-turbojet the model aircraft crowd[*] use, the latter not being cheap throwaway devices.

      * Or people building "Ironman" flying suits!

    7. Ian 55

      Application form = blackmail material?

      I don't know what the dropout rate is between expressing interest in joining a jihad and starting to murder people, but I suspect it's not low.

      Knowing that there is a filled out IS application form that they could, if they wanted, forward to your local anti-terrorism police must come in handy to keep the figures down.

      Particularly if not actually killing people or trying launching your drone still gets you a life sentence.

    8. parlei

      Re: The cops also reportedly discovered at the home an IS application form,

      On the other hand there is almost certainly a form for applying to the SAS.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Looks like something a 10 year old designed!

    Says much about the sorry state of our education system that this originated from a PhD student.

    1. Dinanziame Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: Looks like something a 10 year old designed!

      See "cybertruck"

    2. Version 1.0 Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Looks like something a 10 year old designed!

      I've worked to help students do things for years now, mostly just showing them how things can be done that work in the biomechanics and software analysis worlds. A few were Iranian students who were all very impressive with excellent intelligence, but no understanding of the university political and administrative actions because they had not grown up as kids in an American culture.

      All students concentrate on doing work to get their PhD without thinking a lot about results of potential working related interactions ... So I have always said, "Work to prove that your data collection does not work ... because when you fail to prove that your data is bad then you will get your degree"

    3. Derezed

      Re: Looks like something a 10 year old designed!

      Being an Islamic extremist and being thick aren’t mutually exclusive unfortunately.

      Also self funded phds are self funded.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: Looks like something a 10 year old designed!

        That implies that the universities are more interested in the income than the quality of research. WHo'd 'a' thunk it?

        1. Paul Kinsler

          Re: (that implies) universities are more interested in the income than the quality of research.

          However, someone has to agree to supervise the PhD, and most very likely wouldn't want the drag of an insufficiently capable student. It's not like some supervising Professor X gets to pocket the fees.

          1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

            Re: (that implies) universities are more interested in the income than the quality of research.

            For some value of supervision.

      2. Vincent Ballard
        WTF?

        Re: Looks like something a 10 year old designed!

        Unfortunately?

  3. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Joke

    Watchkeeper

    Whatever happened to that? IIRC, that had problems a few years back - whilst not designed as a "kamakazi" drone, it exhibited such behaviour

    1. parlei

      Re: Watchkeeper

      I keep thinking about all the creative drone uses that the Ukrainians have come up with. How long until sone nutjob decides that rather than running down the street with a knife, lets use a racing drone to try to blow up $whatever?

  4. martinusher Silver badge

    I was right, then

    A few years ago I was working with a colleague who had left Iran under questionable circumstances (questionable in the sense that when he got married his bride and her family came over to Turkey for the wedding because he's have got into a spot of trouble if he'd entered Iran)(he was officially a refugee). Like a lot of younger engineers he was into drones and had built himself quite a nice one using commonly available parts and open source software. Some weeks after demonstrating it our company's parking lot he turned up with video of the Pacific Coast. All very scenic bit that part of the coast includes the US Navy's Pacific Missile Test Area. I pointed this out to him -- I didn't want to sound unwelcoming or paranoid but should the Black Helicopters descend on him he would have had a hell of a job talking his way out of that situation -- actually a situation that lots of us enjoy without a second thought. (It was those halcyon days before FAA registration, potential Remote ID, flight plans and FRIAs, BTW. You just built it and flew it and kept out of everyone's way.)

    The particular 'thing' seems to have the aerodynamic capabilities of a bit of plastic drainpipe. Wings for it would have been a tad inadequate if they were printed on a domestic 3D printer -- too small, too heavy and too weak. (#d printers are handy for aeromodellers but they're used for bits like custom servo arms and detail for scale models.) But once PC Plod (or Special Agent Dragnet) zeros in on you you're well screwed because they don't have common sense on their side -- their job's to make a case and sell it to people who's job is to prosecute it. Truth? Common Sense? Logic? Irrelevant details.

    1. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: I was right, then

      "(#d printers are handy for aeromodellers but they're used for bits like custom servo arms and detail for scale models.)"

      For small parts such as servo arms, filament printers suck. I made some small replacement parts for my table saw and noticed they have cracked. I also find that many times filament printed parts have really bad mechanical properties. For some projects I'm thinking I'll 3D print a mold and use 2-part epoxy or cast polyurethane to make the parts. It's not super efficient, but I could make the molds one-time use by having to break them to get parts out once cast that have undercuts and overhangs.

      Most consumer grade 3D printers are also very slow. What is shown in the photos probably took days and days to print where I could knock up something like it in a single day using other methods and materials in my shed. The biggest lesson I've learned by getting a 3D printer is how it can be rather inadequate for all of the things I was thinking it would be good for.

      1. LogicGate Silver badge

        Re: I was right, then

        Generally speaking, unreinforced thermoplastics are not very useful in aerospace outside of non-stressed stuff like glide bearings.

        There are alternatives that are sooo much better.

        On top of this, expect fdm printed plastics to (in the Z-direction) have 1/3 of the already abysmal tensile capacity of the basic thermoplastic material, and you know for sure that this is not how to make flight-worthy parts.

        Now 3d printed metals are interesting, however, I continue to look for good / certifiable data on fatigue.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: I was right, then

          It is possible to build reasonable quality structural parts on a hobby level 3D printer, but only if your loads follow the main direction your filament is laid down in. It's possible to get pretty good strength from nylon and polycarbonate, but you do need to know how to get your printer to print them properly. i.e.extrusion temperatures, cooling and speeds, layer thicknesses, infill patterns as well as part orientation on the print bed.

          Saying that, metal 3D printing technologies can produce much stronger parts, but I can't see the printers ever dropping to hobbyist prices, and the raw powdered metals are never going to be all that cheap.

    2. Casca Silver badge

      Re: I was right, then

      You can print a whole RC plane in parts and then glue them together. And they works really well.

  5. T. F. M. Reader

    An exercise in recursion

    An ISIS drone builds an ISIS drone?

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    PhD student eh?

    Seems a few kebabs short of a night out to me.

  7. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Black Helicopters

    Hmmm

    The spooks have been sitting on this for 7-8 months. I wonder what they got up to in the meantime.

  8. Bebu Silver badge
    Windows

    Not the brightest tool in the shed.

    If these nutters weren't occasionally, and often accidentally, capable of mass homicide they would be a joke.

    "The Life of Brian"'s "People's Front of Judea" (PFJ) ["What have the Romans ever done for us?"] would appear to be better organized.

    Application forms, social media posts, weekly reports and chemical weapon/explosives documentation - only a police background check and working with children clearance appear to be missing.

    Suppose we should be grateful that this lot were standing in the queue for a second helping of stupidity when the cluestick was being swung.

    1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: Not the brightest tool in the shed.

      If these nutters weren't occasionally, and often accidentally, capable of mass homicide[running a country] they would be a joke.

      By that I mean, the current UK Government. There's only 1 competant office holder in Downing St...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Mouser_to_the_Cabinet_Office

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Not the brightest tool in the shed.

        Why the joke icon? Not many people are going to disagree with your assessment!

        No matter which party is in power, that is still the most reliably useful post in the place. Well, maybe the guy who carries out the lectern is also in the running.

        1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge

          Re: Not the brightest tool in the shed.

          Joke icon: Just covering myself in case the crazy one in charge of the Home Office sends the boys and gals in blue over to take me down the station for a nice cup of tea.

          The even more crazy thing is, she could replace Sunak after the next General Election.

          1. Ian 55

            Re: Not the brightest tool in the shed.

            Labour have declared that, since they won't change lots of other things, Sunak will be kept on as PM should they win...

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Friendly reminder

    This man's crime was helping terrorists without explicit advance authorisation by the Home Office to do so. Arming terrorists with UK Home Office authorisation is (and will continue to remain) legal, especially when it involves encouraging infighting between what's left of Al-Qaeda and Islamic State.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Friendly reminder

      Ooh hold on there old chap, credit where credit is due, let's not forget the yanks, they do their fair share too.

    2. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Friendly reminder

      Yes, he should have applied for (and probably been granted) a permit and line of credit via the Export Credit Guarantee Scheme or whatever it is called today

    3. NXM Silver badge

      Re: Friendly reminder

      Didn't work in the Matrix Churchill case (enemy state, not terrorists, but you know what I mean). They got permission to ship the tubes and got prosecuted anyway.

  10. Conundrum1885

    Deep trouble

    Yeah, you don't want to get on the wrong side of TLA, eg by building strange projects. Despite having nothing to do with energetic chemicals, got in big trouble just for collecting actinides. I didn't know that a Home Office license was needed, even for NORM (ie monazite) and some folks in suits turned up one day. They were more concerned about the heavy metal oxides than other things, as all my MSDS sheets were in the form of PDFs, apparently the documents should have been on paper. The exact phrase used was, ' how did you get all this stuff?'

    1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      Black Helicopters

      Re: Deep trouble

      I recall being told as an undergrad to be careful what you order from the Aldridge catalogue, as ordering some items in it would get you tipped off.

      1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

        Maybe so, but explicitely creating schematics for an explosive warhead is not something I would expect from any project of a PHD student.

        Let him get hired by MI6/the CIA and then Bob's your uncle, but in school, you do school projects.

        1. MJB7

          Re: explicitely creating schematics for an explosive warhead

          Somebody created schematics for an atom bomb for their PhD to prove that it could be done from publicly available information.

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