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European Commission veep Vera Jourova said in a speech on Tuesday that Elon Musk's social media service X, formerly known as Twitter, has the highest ratio of disinformation among large social media platforms. Jourova provided an update on the status of the European Union's Code of Practice on Disinformation of 2022, a …

  1. Nate Amsden

    any news with Germany and X?

    Few months ago Germany was threatening something like $50 billion in fines for misinfo on X, and I thought I read some kind of August deadline but haven't noticed a peep about that since.

    1. abend0c4 Silver badge

      Re: any news with Germany and X?

      I think two separate things are going on.

      Firstly, the German government started a legal process in April under German law which could result in penalties of up to €50M per case. That's gone very quiet, but silence is not unusual in the progress of German legal cases.

      Secondly, the August deadline is probably the one to which the article refers - the EU Digital Services Act which came into force on 25th August.

      It's rather too soon to expect an outcome from either, but I imagine we'll shortly get a better indication of the extent to which Musk intends to engage with the process. The bigger question, given the current state of X, is whether it's even economically viable for them to provide the level of content supervision that might be expected in Europe.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: any news with Germany and X(itter)?

      Please don't call it X.

      If you don't want to call it Twitter, call it Xitter (which is pronounced "shitter").

  2. Omnipresent Bronze badge

    No Joke?!

    This took a study to realize?

    1. Casca Silver badge

      Re: No Joke?!

      A study makes it official. :)

    2. aerogems Silver badge

      Re: No Joke?!

      A study shows you the full extent of the problem, and also accounts for things like perception bias. Take the recent news about the pseudoephedrine replacement being completely ineffective. You might think, "As anyone who's ever used it for a stuffed up nose would tell you," but if that were the case people wouldn't keep buying it and companies would have pulled it from shelves years ago. Whether it's a placebo effect or something else, clearly there are people out there who think it works.

      1. VicMortimer Silver badge

        Re: No Joke?!

        People are buying it?

        You know you can go to the pharmacist and get the real stuff, right? The stuff on the shelves is just a distraction, forced to be there because of the DEA and similar.

        1. doublelayer Silver badge

          Re: No Joke?!

          People probably assumed "This is here for the problem I have, therefore it should work". Then they take it, nothing happens, and they assume things would have been worse if they hadn't taken it. When you're dealing with symptoms that are already quite variable, subjective, and difficult to measure, how would they know how much effect they got from the product they bought?

        2. aerogems Silver badge
          Coat

          Re: No Joke?!

          They do limit how much you can buy of the good stuff because it also is unfortunately useful for making meth. So, I guess if you're really desperate with a stuffed up nose, and the pharmacy is closed, find your neighborhood meth dealer.

  3. Andy Non Silver badge
    FAIL

    Twitter / X is a sewer

    Out of curiosity I created an X account the other day. I selected various scientific and technology topics as my only interests. What I got was a feed with 99% unwanted crap, including conspiracy theories, verbal diarrhoea quoted from Trump's own platform, Alex Jones rantings, Q-Anon nonsense, republican political ravings, crypto currency scam posts and a flood of posts on topics I have zero interest in such as American football, baseball, formula 1 racing, actors, singers, soaps etc. Even after clicking the "not interested in this post / topic" the feed kept bringing the same crap up continuously. X is like an open sewer, with an endless supply of turds floating to the top. I deactivated my account less than 24 hours after opening it.

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Re: Twitter / X is a sewer

      I don't need to check it out.

      I know exactly what Xitter is.

      Just look at who's at the helm.

    2. vtcodger Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Re: Twitter / X is a sewer

      I strongly suspect that you can deactivate your X/Twitter account any time you want. But you can never leave.

    3. cyberdemon Silver badge
      Holmes

      Re: Twitter / X is a sewer

      > X is like an open sewer, with an endless supply of turds floating to the top.

      Ah, I see Elon has found employment for all of the ex- Thames Water execs then..

    4. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: Twitter / X is a sewer

      If you want a read-only Twitter without any need to open an account to follow "a curated set of tweets" as the youth say, try Squawker (chronological timeline with no "for you" nonsense) or Fritter (no timeline at all). They sometimes break for a while when the API gets messed around with though.

    5. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: Twitter / X is a sewer

      This is what most of the subscribers want.

    6. Rol

      Re: Twitter / X is a sewer

      I'm sure the definition of terrorism could quite easily be construed to include 99% of X's feed.

      In my mind, any organisation that actively promotes rhetoric designed to undermine our right to a happy life, is engaging in terrorism.

      1. Zolko Silver badge

        Re: Twitter / X is a sewer

        rhetoric designed to undermine our right to a happy life

        like governments you mean ?

        - fear the genetically manipulated Chinese virus, humanity will be extinct if we don't vaccinate 6 month old children to save 80 year old morbidly obese elderly

        - fear the hot summer (and wet autumn), the climate must be saved

        - fear the bankrupted banks, we must save them all with zillions of public money or we'll all lose our jobs (but don't need any inquiry of what happened why, and no need to investigate the banksters conduct that led to this)

        - fear the monstrous Ben Laden and Al Quaida in their high-tech caverns in Bora Bora

        - fear the monstrous Saddam Hussein and his weapons of mass destruction that can bomb UK within 45 minutes

        - fear the Chinese telecom manufacturers, they're spying on all your communications (fear NOT the NSA and 5-eyes who ARE spying on all your communications though, they're the nice guys)

        - fear ...

        what did I forget ?

    7. aerogems Silver badge

      Re: Twitter / X is a sewer

      I'm surprised he hasn't hired Elizabeth Holmes and Martin Shkreli as C-Suite execs.

    8. Tail Up

      Re: Twitter / X is a sewer

      formula 1 is the key. just watch the ads on boards of the bolids, and compare the frequency of its appearance before your eyes in other media presented to you, with the visualisation of the intetconnected paths @ laetusinpraesens.org * . then you will find which exactly creature's tentacles are near to grasp your whole being and, possibly, how much and by what means it's intended to pump some jam off your jar

      but then your life will never be the same, Andy Non. R U ready?

      *lifehack. always hits the bullseye. x is a life-saver. might be, if you have the guts

      1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        Re: Twitter / X is a sewer

        I read that twice and still have no idea what you're gibbering about.

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          Re: Twitter / X is a sewer

          I just had a quick scan through "his" last 5 days worth of posts. It's a little like reading AManFroimMars2 but with even less sense and coherence. I think it's just an LLM that needs a lot more training and/or some gentle tweaking with a machete.

  4. Ordinary Donkey

    Narrowly beating out the Canadian parliament at this rate...

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Narrowly beating out the Canadian parliament at this rate...

      I think Twitter has a long way to go to beat that one. Especially when Hunka's grand daughter tweeted a pic of him waiting to meet Trudeau. But Trudeau had already denied knowing anything about anything, and found someone else to take the blame. Oh, and blamed 'Russian disinformaton', which presumably means that's extended into Canada's security services, who would have vetted Hunka before allowing Hunka's meeting.

      Meanwhile, further south, Hilary Clinton has been tweeting about how 'Russian disinformation' cost her the Presidency. This doesn't mean she's challenging the election results, because after all, you get arrested for doing that. She's also fundraising for the Clinton Foundation to take a role in Ukrainian reconstruction, because the Clintons were very successful about rasing money to rebuild Haiti. Well, the fundraising part, much less so spending that on Haiti. Weddings are so terribly expensive after all.

      But such is politics. What the EU really means by 'misinformation' is debate and facts that go against their carefully crafted narratives. So when von der Liar said that Russia threatened to use nuclear weapons again, she really meant their despicable bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Much as with Canada, it seems that more politicians need some remedial history education. Then again, if you control 'social media', you can just re-write history and fine anyone who dares to disagree.

      1. LogicGate Silver badge

        Hello Jeel,

        Spouting Russian propaganda as usual?

        Why do you not move over to a more natural habitatt.. like X?

        1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Spouting Russian propaganda as usual?

          Where do you get that idea from? It's a matter of public record that Canada vetted and approved a Ukrainian 'war hero' who fought the Russians during WW2. It's obviously a matter of record that Canada, a member of the Allies was allied to Russia and the Soviet Union during that time. It's simple logic that if their 'war hero' was fighting against the Allies.. then he was fighting for the Axis forces. Turdeau should have known this, and Zelensky should as well.. Yet despite being Jewish, cheered and saluted the SS volunteer.

          Then again many Ukrainians also fought against the Axis forces during WW2, and some are still fighting against Nazis today. Meanwhile, Turdeau and the media claim 'baseless disinformation' any time anyone suggests Ukraine has a Nazi or National Socialist problem, even when-

          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66934411

          Germany has banned the far-right sect Artgemeinschaft for spreading Nazi ideology to children and young people.

          While at the same time sending tanks and other weapons to more Ukrainian 'heroes' who sport the insignia of the SS and their Das Reich panzer division.. And of course anyone who points out certain logical inconsistencies with the West's disinformation campaign immediately gets labled as a 'Russia propgandist'. Which I guess demonstrates the power of propaganda and social conditioning.

        2. aerogems Silver badge
          Holmes

          Pro-trolls are generally given a list of sites on which to shitpost. Clearly El Reg is one of Jeel's. The fact that El Reg is apparently worthy of such attention should be flattering, as it means it has "arrived" as a major news source worthy of devoting resources to.

          1. LogicGate Silver badge

            One resource.... one.

            ..althoufg I have at least one more under suspicion. It is just that it can be hard to separate a Russian troll from the common crank.

            1. aerogems Silver badge
              Trollface

              There's no effective difference. Whether they do it for a paycheck, or because they're a gullible idiot, the result is fundamentally the same. In a perverse sort of way, you have to admire the skill of the Russian troll farmers who have managed to tap into the seemingly infinite supply of gullible idiots around the world and get people to voluntarily spread their bullshit and think they're being patriotic for doing so. Now if only they could use those skills to do things like convince people to get vaccinated against deadly diseases... if more people were vaccinated against covid early on, who knows if the omicron wave would have even happened. Every single infected person's body is basically a little laboratory for the virus to potentially mutate and create the next major variant, so remove a few million of those laboratories and the odds of a new variant or subvariant go down.

        3. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Sorry but

          I fail to see any trace of Russian propaganda in what Jelied Ell said above and believe me, I deliberately read propaganda from both sides Occidental and Russian. Both sides have something they'd love to keep you from learning and are covering it in smoke and mirrors.

          What I think you're trying to say is the faux pas of the Canadian government offered a good opportunity to Russian propaganda. I mean, there are only two primary categories of Ukrainian veterans: those who fought for the Soviets and those who fought in the Ukrainian SS division. This was an impossible situation and you don't need special skills to detect and avoid it.

          1. LogicGate Silver badge

            Re: Sorry but

            Look up Jeels comment history.

            He has been sprouting the latest Russian talking points since the start of the invasion.

            1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

              Re: Sorry but

              Look up Jeels comment history.

              What an excellent idea!

              4320 publicly visible posts • joined 18 Aug 2008

              Obviously I'm a Russian sleeper agent who's been planted here for a long time. If you look through my posting history, you may notice a trend. So there was Brexit, and anyone who voted for that was obviously a Nazi. Despite being a libertarian, anyone who disagrees with the Democrat's version of 'left wing' is obviously a Nazi. Anyone who thinks Trump might be a better President that Biden is obviously a Nazi. Anyone who dares to challenge the consensus on climate change again, is a Nazi.

              Anyone who challenges the consensus du jour is obviously a Nazi.. and ever since Clinton and her rabid Russophobia, we're obviously now Nazis, and 'Russian bots'.

              But such is politics. Liberals see Nazis everywhere, except when they're giving an actual one three standing ovations. Perhaps our leaders have become so used to throwing the term around to smear their political opponents that they missed the obvious. It is ironic that Turdeau's 'liberal' government may be brough down not by financial scandals, but by their hero worship for a Ukrainian SS volunteer. And of course Russia will ruthlessly exploit this because one of the reasons they gave for the SMO was to de-nazift Ukraine. And there was Ukraine's President, cheering and saluting a true Ukrainian hero..

              And it'll probably get worse. In the US, 60 Minutes pointed out where US tax payer's money was going in Ukraine. A few years ago, Poroshenko changed the law in Ukraine so that WW2 veterans would receive war pensions and benefits. Ones who'd sided with the Allies already did, ones who'd sided with the Axis did not until that reform was passed. I wonder if a journalist will check and see if Hunka is being paid a war pension by Ukraine, because if so, that's currently being paid by US, Canadian, EU and UK tax payers. And now Poland is threatening to extradite Hunka, so that may be revealed anyway. Or Canada may block the extradition because Hunka is now one of their 'war heroes'.

              Meanwhile, according to your 'logic' pointing out this gross hypocrisy, and the way our 'liberal, democratic' leaders are imposing censorship, suppressing debate and punishing non-conformity obviously means I'm a Russian agent.. And like much 'liberal' thinking, your attempts to smear your ideological opponents lack any evidence, or logic..

              1. aerogems Silver badge

                Re: Sorry but

                Russia has been engaged in misinformation for a lot longer than 2008. That's just right around the time they started trying to influence affairs in western nations as opposed to just sowing chaos in former Soviet bloc nations. It could also be that you're using a compromised account. Or, maybe you're just a gullible idiot who isn't half as smart as they think they are and are taken in quite easily. I'm not making any comment on the reasons why, but it has been shown that disinformation is much more effective on people with right leaning politics compared to left. Very few people of a liberal persuasion were taken in by the whole QAnon nonsense, for example. It was almost exclusively people who consider themselves conservative. And in nations like those in Europe, where what passes as "conservative" tends to be left of center in the US, you see a lot less traction for these conspiracy theories. It's not a coincidence that MSNBC, being sort of the Fox News of the left, is nowhere near as popular. It's not the programming, it's just that it's a lot harder to get liberals to believe any random bullshit. Again, not commenting on any reasons why that may be, just that it has been documented to be the case.

                Cue the downvoting from Jeel and his/her/its sock puppet accounts in 3... 2... 1...

                1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                  Re: Sorry but

                  I'm not making any comment on the reasons why, but it has been shown that disinformation is much more effective on people with right leaning politics compared to left

                  Indeed. Take the classic '97%' meme that became so popular in climate 'science' that even Obama repeated it. People with 'right leaning' politics, along with statisticians and economists took one look at it and realised it was disinformation and just junk science. Despite it being soundly debunked, many on the left still believe it because they like being told what to think by authoritarian governments. It's much simpler to just believe whatever disinformation you're fed thank to think about it, and challenge it. Especially because then you'll be attacked by the 'liberals' as some kind of far-right extremist.

                  How dare anyone question authority! Especially the media. Speaking truth to power is such a last-century concept.

                  Then of course there's cognitive dissonance, ie Germany arresting domestic nazis while supporting and arming foreign ones. Or a term you used recently, but don't seem to understand.. perception bias. Plus a side-order of paranoia-

                  Cue the downvoting from Jeel and his/her/its sock puppet accounts in 3... 2... 1...

                  I really wish there was a way to count up/down votes handed out. As I've said before, if I disagree with someone or something, I'll say why and I think I've used <10 downvotes since 2008, or whenever the thumbs were introduced.. But have you considered you.. might be a little paranoid? I perhaps should be, after all the bastion of democracy that is Ukraine has said it'll hunt down anyone that disagrees with them, and still operates a kill-list.

                2. Zolko Silver badge

                  Re: Sorry but

                  disinformation is much more effective on people with right leaning politics compared to left. Very few people of a liberal persuasion were taken in by the whole QAnon nonsense

                  so, basically, what you say is that people who don't think like you are stupid. Says a lot more about you than you might want it.

                  Especially after the Canadian Nazi standing ovation fiasco (any-one seriously think that a random Canadian citizen would be let into the Canadian parliament to meet with the Canadian president and a foreign president on official visit, without being vetted by interior ministry ? Of course they very well knew who the guy was, they simply though it won't be noticed and was worth a good propaganda spin. Unfortunately, all the stupid Russian trolls were too stupid to understand the clever liberal plot and revealed the stupid historic truth)

  5. stiine Silver badge
    Coffee/keyboard

    Well, as long as the IPCC and their syncophants have accounts

    That ratio won't be changing.

    1. Howard Sway Silver badge

      Re: Well, as long as the IPCC and their syncophants have accounts

      What are syncophants? A bunch of elephants dancing in unison?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Well, as long as the IPCC and their syncophants have accounts

        Didn’t they have Hippopotamusicians in Disney’s “Fantasia”

      2. sabroni Silver badge
        Thumb Up

        Re: What are syncophants?

        It's when a group of sycophants synchronise brown nosing.

      3. GruntyMcPugh

        Re: Well, as long as the IPCC and their syncophants have accounts

        If someone animated that, I'd watch it. There's some advert with Pandas doing Tai Chi, I wish that bit were longer, it would be some great ASMR relaxation material.

        1. Dinanziame Silver badge
          Go

          Re: Well, as long as the IPCC and their syncophants have accounts

          Fantasia has you covered

          After the hippos, before the crocodiles.

      4. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        Re: Well, as long as the IPCC and their syncophants have accounts

        Is it anything like a synchrophant, which is a device that accelerates a beam of elephants in a circle?

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: Well, as long as the IPCC and their syncophants have accounts

          That's a cyclosynchrophant, it's not very popular for extremely heavy hadrons (such as elephants) because of losses.

          We look forward to the new High energy Pachyderm Collider

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Well, as long as the IPCC and their syncophants have accounts

      perhaps, it's just me and my cognac, stine, but seems like you have invented a great meaning. a bunch of orchestrated voters, pressing the "public opinion" up or down as their herd's boss orders, not?

  6. Androgynous Cow Herd

    And Yet

    I don't think a day goes by that I don't get to read news articles about whatever so-and-so spouted on Twitter from "Legitimate" news sources.

    They all seem to play this game. If X is such a sewer of disinformation, the rest of the news media should stop relying on it as a source.

    Articles like "You won't believe the asinine thing Elon/Donald/Howard/Shelia tweeted" are not even news, they are disinformation reinforcing disinformation.

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: And Yet

      Agreed, it's because journalists are lazy. However, I have noticed a decline in such citations over the last year or so. This is as much down to the rise of other platforms, especially Telegram and Instagram, as to whatever Musk is up to. He's managed to annoy advertisers but lazy journalists are not that easily dissuaded.

    2. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

      Re: And Yet

      I've never noticed any of these. It might be because I avoid the gutter press, as well as avoiding Twotter

  7. Winkypop Silver badge
    Trollface

    X, the perfect tool for the job

    “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

    ― George Carlin

    Then remember that Elon has an almost endless supply of customers.

    1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

      Re: X, the perfect tool for the job

      The way he's going, he's going to have half a billion fewer of them, when the EU decides that X/Twitter/whatever is not allowed to operate in their jurisdiction because it doesn't follow the regulations about preventing disinformation and hostile Russian propaganda.

  8. ShortStuff

    Disinformation --- or Truth

    Today's "disinformation" may be tomorrow's truth. Let the people speak their mind. Nobody's making you read it. Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Just because you don't like what's being said doesn't mean they don't have the right to speak it. Maybe I don't like what you have to say. Do I have the right to keep you from saying it? So what gives someone the right to silence anyone?

    1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

      Re: Disinformation --- or Truth

      Freedom of speech is not the same as having any rights to public amplification via the media.

      So what gives someone the right to silence anyone?

      Legal precedence. For example, if I found out your real name and address, employer, etc, and started posting rumours about you and $shock-story-de-jour it would put you and your families safety in jeopardy. Should my right to talk like an asshole trump your right to safety?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Disinformation --- or Truth

        Funnily, when scratching a little, it always happen that self-proclaimed free speech absolutists have red lines beyond which there's speech that they strongly believe /must/ be silenced. Speech that offends or hurts them personally, as it happens. When it hurts others, why, of course it's free speech.

    2. sabroni Silver badge
      FAIL

      Re: So what gives someone the right to silence anyone?

      The owner of the property is allowed to decide who uses it. If you're in my house and you want to shout racist abuse at passers by I'm perfectly within my rights to tell you to fuck off.

      Twitter is supposed to be a business. How is driving most of the customers away helping the bottom line?

    3. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

      Re: Disinformation --- or Truth

      Today's "disinformation" may be tomorrow's truth

      Sergei, is that you?

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Disinformation --- or Truth

      So what if I called you a child molester. Created deep fake images of you up to no good?

      Would you consider that my right to express such total bullshit, and mess your life up beyond all recognition?

      Of course not, but that is what the disinformation streaming through X is doing. It is warping the community's sense of right and wrong, Truth and lies.

      Just ask one of the millions of Brits who are raging mad that they got fed nothing but lies in the run up to our Brexit vote. Those lies have impacted on every life in this nation, making us poorer and more isolated than we ever were.

      1. _Elvi_

        Re: Disinformation --- or Truth

        " Just ask one of the millions of Brits who are raging mad that they got fed nothing but lies in the run up to our Brexit vote. Those lies have impacted on every life in this nation, making us poorer and more isolated than we ever were."

        .. Now, Imagine how the American public feel about what TRUMP, and his gaggle of Cockwombles did and continue to do. Seriously it reads like very good\scary classic Social Sci Fi novels..

        Fahrenheit 451 anybody?

        Big Brother watching you from Mar-Largo ?

        Something Wicked this way comes?

        Someone please Cue, The Day the Earth stood still..

  9. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    If you think X commentary is bad and misinforming .......

    ...... just you wait until the reporting on upcoming UKGBNI political party manifesto promises for the next General Election are aired on mainstream media channels for world wide webbed output.

    There won’t be a star they will not promise to deliver .... but as per usual, as is evidenced since time began, they will fail spectacularly to supply. Fraudsters ’R’ Us Inc. lives and breathes nonsense unto nations from Blighty?

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    2. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: If you think X commentary is bad and misinforming .......

      You are H L Mencken's ghost and I claim my $5! :-D

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Re: If you think X commentary is bad and misinforming .......

        You are H L Mencken's ghost and I claim my $5! :-D .... Charlie Clark

        Thanks, Charlie Clark, for that is undoubtedly a compliment to be accepted and worn with the humility that accompanies a worthy sense of innocent pride.

        As much as I would enjoy being the author of the following paragraph about the present state of current failed global systems of elite executive man management, it pleases me equally well to admit it is a plagiarism of something H.L.Mencken penned.[a reference to which https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._L._Mencken supplies]

        A systemically failed entity's utter lack of aesthetic sense, its distrust of all romantic emotion, its unmatchable intolerance of opposition, its unbreakable belief in its own bleak and narrow views, its savage cruelty of attack, its lust for relentless and barbarous persecution – these unpleasant things put an unbelievable burden upon the exchange of their ideas anywhere and everywhere.

        And with their every sharing, is the moronic and oxymoronic beast exposed to the ridicule of competitive peer agencies and encouraged and enlightened contemporaries voicing much more attractive and addictive and oft oppositional views.

  10. Intractable Potsherd

    While X remains the only platform tat allows me to state the objective reality that transwomen are men, I'll stick with it. Other platforms seem to think stating that obvious fact is "misinformation".

    1. sabroni Silver badge
      Facepalm

      re: the objective reality

      Nice obsession with genitals you have there.

      1. TheFifth

        Re: re: the objective reality

        Only other people's genitals though.

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          Re: re: the objective reality

          Are you sure?

    2. abend0c4 Silver badge

      the only platform tat allows me to state

      And yet you appear to have stated it here, too. Though for no obvious reason.

      1. sabroni Silver badge

        re: Though for no obvious reason.

        The comment is designed to silence trans people and their allies.

        Here's a tip, when you find yourself echoing the rhetoric from the rise of Nazi germany, make sure that your are blond, blue eyed and healthy.

        1. MiguelC Silver badge
          Coat

          Re: re: Though for no obvious reason.

          Or sport a little ridiculous moustache

          1. aerogems Silver badge
            Coat

            Re: re: Though for no obvious reason.

            The curly-q moustache is certainly ridiculous, but I wouldn't call it little.

        2. Charlie Clark Silver badge

          Re: re: Though for no obvious reason.

          The Nazi comparison is own valid in the rather disturbing trend towards denunciation in the name of progress. Stating biological facts and quesitioning interpretations has led to criticism, threats and even unemployment for some scientists.

          But this has nothing to do with Twitter.

        3. mtp
          Stop

          Re: re: Though for no obvious reason.

          Godwin's law has been triggered.

          1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

            Re: re: Though for no obvious reason.

            Don't worry, so has Intractable Potsherd.

            By something completely unrelated to this news story, no less.

        4. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

          Re: re: Though for no obvious reason.

          Nazi germany, make sure that your are blond, blue eyed and healthy

          None of which, ironically, applied to the glorious leader..

      2. aerogems Silver badge
        Facepalm

        Have you not learned anything!? Never let silly things like facts and reality get in the way of a good conspiracy theory!

    3. aerogems Silver badge

      Is there something you need to get off your chest? If you don't have some kind of vested interest in a topic, you generally don't give two shits about it. That's just basic human psychology. I am generally disinterested in all professional sports, so I don't really care who wins the world series, world cup, superbowl, or anything else. So, I ask again: Is there something you need to get off your chest? I mean, best case scenario this is a(n unfortunate choice to) cover for having a crotch fetish.

    4. VicMortimer Silver badge
      Mushroom

      Trans women are WOMEN

      The objective reality is that trans women are women, and you are a bigot.

      Go back to Xitter.

  11. Adam Inistrator

    Free speech comes with disinformation. The common man cannot have free speech in a curated environment.

    Our system to date has not allowed freedom of speech to the average man. Twitter simply allows that in spades.

    Our legacy media is currently full of disinformation as well. See climate change, covid, race, immigration etc.

    Can people handle disinformation mixed with their free speech? I think so.

    Most of the Musk haters are simply the usual left wing establishment drones who love the current "liberal" semi-fascists in power globally.

    1. sabroni Silver badge
      Facepalm

      re: Our legacy media is full of disinformation. See climate change, covid, race, immigration etc.

      Did you ever meet a conspiracy theory you didn't like?

    2. aerogems Silver badge

      Congratulations El Reg! Clearly you have arrived if you're getting this much dedicated attention from the pro-trolls who are obviously all reading from the same script. Probably the same troll, but that's neither here nor there.

  12. Groo The Wanderer Silver badge

    "X" is ALL noise from the head honcho on down. :)

  13. jmch Silver badge

    Measuring ???

    Not that I doubt that Twitter is a cesspit, but how does one measure disinformation on a platform? Is it internal reports? External actors flagging stuff? Fake accounts or short-term accounts that pop up, spout rubbish and disappear? None of this seems very amenable to good measurement.

    Not to mention the very basic question of what counts as 'disinformation'

    1. Piro

      Re: Measuring ???

      Whatever is flying against the wind of the largest media companies' collective opinion at the current time.

      Truth doesn't factor much in to things these days.

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Re: Measuring ???

        Truth doesn't factor much in to things these days. .... Piro

        Quite so. And thus, Piro, is the resultant falsely perceived and mainstream media hosted reality a perversely conceived virtual abortion of all that the future can effectively present for the past to declare historic and epic rather than it being universally recognised as a sad and rad global soap opera revolving and evolving around the scripts of a series of mad manic clerics' fake gospel truths.

        And the fact that that is able to happen at all is surely entirely down to a lack of viable intelligence in the assembly of masses down on Earth.

        And that creates a fantastic opportunity for Secret Intelligence Service Providers and a mega bugger of an existential problem for half truth peddlers and snake oil sales folk.

  14. MrGreen

    Governments have spent decades weaponising misinformation to the point where no one believes them anymore.

    The EU is one of the worst offenders. They continually bang on about democracy but are unelected by citizens. Now they’re blaming everything on climate change and Russia but continue to burn more coal and buy loads more gas from Russia.

    Compare your bank account to MP’s and EU bureaucrats and you’ll see why controlling misinformation is so important to them.

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Now they’re blaming everything on climate change and Russia but continue to burn more coal and buy loads more gas from Russia.

      No, no, no. That's just more Russian misinformation. The EU is actually buying oil and gas from India because India massively increased it's oil & gas production capability in 2yrs, and without anyone really noticing. It also pays a premium for 'Indian' oil and gas, but this is a small price to pay to defeat Russia. The price is paid by EU (and UK) consumers and industry, not our political elite, so it's all good.

      Well, until the elections come around I guess..

    2. jmch Silver badge

      "Governments have spent decades weaponising misinformation to the point where no one believes them anymore."

      Absolutely true

      "The EU is one of the worst offenders. They continually bang on about democracy but are unelected by citizens. "

      Difficult to attribute much to "the EU". A lot of EU decision-making is indeed taken through the EU council and commission, which are appointed by the national governments of the respective states. The national governments are themselves some of the worst 'misinformation' offenders, but then they *are* elected by their respective citizens. And also the EU parliament *is* directly elected by citizens, and a lot of the best achievements of the EU in the last years have come from the EU parliament in the years since the EU parliament's powers were extended, and from the unelected (but independent from national governments) constituted bodies like the EU courts. The areas where EU continues to suck are actually the ones that are most directly under control of the elected national governments.

      "Now they’re blaming everything on climate change and Russia but continue to burn more coal and buy loads more gas from Russia."

      Germany's shitty anti-nuclear (which indirectly is pro-coal) stance is entirely Germany's. And AFAIK, EU is limiting it's purchase of Russian gas (Not sure if at a certain point it was Russia who were banning the sale of gas to the EU??). In any case, Russia is a territorial aggressor and can never be a trusted partner to the EU, yet the EU needs Russian gas to avoid burning even more coal, while the EU is the only party that can buy Russian gas in the volumes required to keep Russia's economy afloat (heaven knows how it's all even working with the sanctions in place). In other words it's a very messy shitty outcome that's the least shitty outcome from a very bad situation, and the sooner the EU weans itself off, the better. But not sure where the disinformation angle fits in, all of this is pretty publically acknowledged by the EU.

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Germany's shitty anti-nuclear (which indirectly is pro-coal) stance is entirely Germany's.

        Not really. EU politics and political success relies on parties you can't vote for. So for a long time, this shower of shite-

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_People%27s_Party

        The EPP has been the largest party in the European Parliament since 1999 and in the European Council since 2002. It is also the largest party in the current European Commission. The President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen and the President of the European Parliament Roberta Metsola are from the EPP. Many of the founding fathers of the European Union were also from parties that later formed the EPP. Outside the EU the party also controls a majority in the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe.

        Domestic parties align with the EPP, but the EPP calls the shots. Domestically, it does also often require support to prop up the ruling party, so in Germany, that's meant the Greens have undue influence in creating coalitions. It then becomes a lot easier to lobby the EPP and get your policy enacted into EU diktats that all EU members are supposed to embrace. So all the Net Zero bollocks and the dash to 'invest' in pre-industrial era wind power.

        And AFAIK, EU is limiting it's purchase of Russian gas (Not sure if at a certain point it was Russia who were banning the sale of gas to the EU??),

        Nope. Russia never banned oil & gas exports. Someone did blow up a pipeline to make sure Germans got cold feet, and possibly regretted basing their economy on Energiewende. Because 'renewables' are fundamentally intermittent, unreliable and expensive, to keep Germany's lights on, it also had to massively invest in gas heating and generation, increasing it's dependence on cheap gas. Funnily enough, there had been accusations that Russia was behind 'renewables' lobbying because it obviously increased the demand for gas. But now the EU's buying Indian oil & gas and trying to pretend that isn't relabelled Russian. Oh, and of course the US finally found a use for it's East Coast LNG terminals.

        ...while the EU is the only party that can buy Russian gas in the volumes required to keep Russia's economy afloat (heaven knows how it's all even working with the sanctions in place).

        Nope, because sanctions did what they inevitably do, and made Russia look for new markets. So it's been selling oil & gas to countries like India and China instead. Those pesky BRICS again. So the EU (and everyone in it) is forced to pay much more for energy, inflation has rocketed. Companies like BMW, Audi, Porsche, Ferrari and even Fnord, GM, Tesla can no longer export to Russia. Nor can LVMH, or any of our service industries. They can't buy anything from Russia either, which is again why infation has rocketed.

        But such is politics. You have to admire the genius of our leaders. Two years on and it should have been obvious that the sanctions and policies were harming us more than Russia. But our leaders are only concerned with maintaining their own power and status. Some will get voted out in upcoming elections, but for many, that will just mean getting parachuted into high paying positions in the thousands of NGOs that surround the EU like flies on a turd.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Sometimes I want to upvote your comment, and I do

          But when I want to downvote it, I don't

          There is something in your comments which makes me think internet is not as full of shitposters as they want us to imagine that much

      2. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        According to the Gospel of H.L.Mencken....

        Any advance on democracy being "the worship of jackals by jackasses”?

        It does appear to be uncomfortably accurate. And whenever such be more honestly true than not, is that a catastrophic vulnerability ripe ready for relentless merciless attack resulting in crushing systemic defeats, vainglorious bankrupting rearguard actions and eventually, inevitably, suddenly, ignominious unconditional surrender and submission to superior forces of otherworldly sources?

        And shared as question for the cold comfort that forlorn hope might provide.

        Q: You do realise, do you not, that that is where your present inept and corrupted leaderships have steered and delivered you to ..... and now y’all be comprehensively trapped in that cold prison of their own making ....... but in the failsafe secure and virtually remote command and control of ...... well, a Significant Band of A.N.Others starts to tell the Future Tale, methinks, of Upcoming Trails and Trials to be endured and/or enjoyed and suffered gladly in the madness of fleeting moments of enlightened being/Nirvana.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So people who told us Vax are safe and effective, that they will stop the spread of infection, and who told us hunter bidens laptop is Russian fake, or who told us the Russians hacked the elections, and who told us Iraq has WMD now tell us that Twitter is the main source of disinformation... hmm, i never saw a war started based on lies spread by Twitter, but i have seen them started based on the lies echoed by BBC, CNN, MSNBC, FOX news ...

    1. jmch Silver badge

      Too bored with jumping down the rabbit hole on so many topics.... BUT I have to say that AC is spot-on with regard to the Iraq 2 war, where the highest levels of government in US and UK knew the information about WMD they were feeding the press was fake, and the invasion of Iraq was a pre-ordained target that was going to happen, whatever excuse was dreamed up. Also nice of US-government-friendly media to parrot the government line in the aftermath of 9/11 - done by Saudi bombers with Saudi religious fanaticism and Saudi funding, so lets attack Saudi Arabia Afghanistan, and to boot turn up international domestic surveillance and spying by several notches.

      1. VicMortimer Silver badge

        Let's not forget that Iraq 2 was started by the lies of the GQP, the same party that is now dominated by tRUmp's MAGAts.

        1. Groo The Wanderer Silver badge

          I'd lay odds most wars and "police actions" the US has been involved with were started by Republican governments or pushed through by them having a simple majority to make the votes fait-accompli in Congress and House. No idea whether its the case; just a gut feeling - they're the war-mongering party, from an outsider's perspective.

    2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      "So people who told us Vax are safe and effective,"

      The computers or the vacuum cleaners? Both are safe, but could be used in an unsafe manner or used in unsafe ways. I suppose a Vax computer can be used by the military to control and target weapons. Likewise, a Vax vacuum cleaner can be used as support equipment by the military to help keep the carpets clean in HQ or the Mess and help stop the spread of infection, but I'm not sure even Vax would claim that as a primary function.

      Now, what was that you were waffling on about again?

  16. Marty McFly Silver badge
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    Social Media and misinformation ranking

    This is like trying to rank which Bravo-Sierra smells the best. One isn't as raunchy as the next, but they all stink pretty bad.

    Besides, one person's Social Media "Misinformation" is another person's Social Medial "Gospel". Who is to say which is correct? All Social Media does is create the discourse & conflict so we debate each other...and end up spending more time seeing advertisements on their platforms.

    It is friggin' SOCIAL media. By definition, NONE of it is authoritative sources of information.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: Social Media and misinformation ranking

      "Besides, one person's Social Media "Misinformation" is another person's Social Medial "Gospel". Who is to say which is correct?"

      Sometimes, that may be the case. But there is sooooom much batshit crazy stuff on social media that is so simple to debunk that the only possible conclusion is that the person posting the "content" is truly, medically batshit crazy or a deliberate troll/propagandist.

      I came across one woman recently who seems to be absolutely convinced the Romans and the Roman Empire never existed. Apparently there's no documents, Latin is actually Greek and all those Roman ruins look far too much like ancient Greek architecture that it "must be true" LOL She's created loads of videos and seems to have a following, despite the overwhelming evidence proving her wrong. And then there's the more "traditional" weirdos such as the flat-earther. There's just so much of this shit, it can be depressing thinking about he future of humanity. What's really odd is how much of this comes from the US.

      A good starting point is to avoid anything in ALL CAPS or uses words like insane, crazy, you won't believe... or 10 best/biggest/worst %somethings.

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  18. DerekCurrie
    FAIL

    The entire point of Musk's X

    ...Is to provide a wide open blow hole for mid-life-crisis afflicted blowhards, such as himself (IMHO) to attack everything they're afraid of and that got in the way of their overcompensating ego.

    Sad.

    I dumped the place the day Musk bought it. I wish it would simply die from Musk's inflicted (IMHO) disease.

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Some rubbish dumps reject certain types of waste

    It would seem that Xitter has no such policy.

  20. plrndl

    I have never used Twitter / X, but I would just like to point out that "misinformation" includes anything that does not agree with the currently mandated "scientific consensus", much of which is BS.

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