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The US government is considering measures to keep tabs on those who may be using lots of cloud resources to train advanced AI models. According to reports, the Biden administration is looking to introduce rules that require public cloud operators to disclose to the authorities when any customer purchases a level of compute …

  1. NoneSuch Silver badge
    Mushroom

    You Have The Right To Privacy, After We Approve The Content.

    Effing NSA, GCHQ and Five Eyes in general. They want access to everything because it may be a "threat" one day.

    Say anything, do anything, just get access. Skim the best ideas that can make us profit, delete the things we don't like and persecute radical threats like journalists, privacy advocates and members of the EFF.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: You Have The Right To Privacy, After We Approve The Content.

      Ok, but you're a few years too late. Once upon a time the US announced Total Information Awareness and tried to ram the Clipper chip down our throat. That didn't end well because they did it publicly.

      So, they resumed the sort of backdoor policy that they started with Crypto AG, but MUCH more blatant: enter Google and Microsoft. Google sits at the front foor of the web to the point that most end users I know enter URLs into the search field instead of the browser's URL line like well trained puppies.

      If you pay attention to how much data and communication is exported from a company by either via Google Docs, MS Office et al you'll see that there is already plenty access to corporate information and IP, but then someone dreamt up a term for hosting data outside so vague that executives could pretend they understood it: "The Cloud" and nebulous it was. Most C level people have absolutely no clue what it means (and telling them it means "someone else's computer" wasn't enough of a hint) and so we collectively made frankly industrial grade espionage even easier by effectively giving them the data they want by storing it on their systems instead of our own, and so lose the ability to at least notice when they take some or mount surveillance (in case you want to stop the surveillance at your desk, the software that stops the data export has already been designated malware by Microsoft Defender, so it appears defends MS more than the user).

      What? Oh, it's stored on EU based systems? Really? Who do you think helped establish the Cloud Act, and why do you think that is? Why do you think your authentication happens via a Microsoft server and any access to your corporate data always goes via a site that ends on 'microsoft.com' (the 'lite' version of that is Google Docs)? Have you not noticed they're trying to impose the need for users to establish personal accounts when trying to back up their company 2FA credentials (no, really, just try to back up your MS Authenticator COMPANY 2FA credentials without a personal account).

      You know these US crime movies where they can find out personal details about anyone on the planet?

      They actually built it. It's here, now.

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Re: You Have The Right To Privacy, After We Approve The Content.

        Whenever all of that, AC, can be accepted and realised as true ie all of your information belongs to us and for us, one has no other option than to accept and realise, because of the presently expanding and exploding and imploding dire straits state of Earthly things, necessary vital greater intelligence is missing in the human element identifying itself as us and for us.

        It is quite clear then, whenever a New More Orderly World Order is suspected or proposed to be the intended future iteration of Great Game Play, is an Alternate Intelligence not merely desired but absolutely required.

        Such as might very well be strangely spookily conceived to be perceived and even feared as, because of its Almighty Inherent Ability with all manner of readily available Earthly utilities and facilities to effectively Assist and Present to/for Mass Media Platforms and Elite Executive Administrative Streaming Delivery Programs, an Alien Intervention ..... and/or if you prefer, a Grand Advanced Otherworldly Wise Virtualised Cloud Project.

        Is it agreed, AC [and El Reg and El Regers], that an Alternate Intelligence and a New More Orderly World Order, or Orders as the case may better be, is required ‽

        And is it to be collectively welcomed and aided and realised as unavoidably inevitable, and/or simply unilaterally imposed by virtue of Virtual AI Machine Edict?

        And is IT then, whenever both of those options are exercised at the same time together in the same place and space, a Quantum Resolution exploring a Singularity Solution?

        And Yes ...... that is a Genuine Offer which most likely unfortunately will be initially derided and denied and declared both nonsensical and impossible and in so doing thus prove the honest truth shared in the first paragraph above ..... necessary vital greater intelligence is missing in the human element identifying itself as us and for us.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: ...The Right To ... ...The Content.

          Upp

  2. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Lie detector

    The thing is you can now get any government announcement, policy thrown into the AI grinder and it will neatly summarise all instances of gaslighting, manipulations, inconsistencies, logic errors and so on.

    Governments for years successfully avoided teaching how propaganda works, so that they could use all those techniques on unsuspecting voters.

    Now the voter don't need to learn that as the AI can easily do that for them.

    The prospect of that is scary for governments. The greatest weapon at their disposal is on the brink of being disarmed.

    1. Zippy´s Sausage Factory
      Meh

      Re: Lie detector

      If they're that worried, I'd half expect them to ban AI technology altogether. With the exception of military applications, of course. Much like they tried to do to cryptography back in the 80s and 90s, really. I mean it worked so well then... (where's the eye roll icon...)

  3. TheMaskedMan Silver badge

    "If they're that worried, I'd half expect them to ban AI technology altogether."

    I'm sure they would love to. But that wouldn't be possible - a ban doesn't mean the stuff doesn't exist, just that it's illegal to use / posess etc. Criminals don't care about that, and there will be plenty of places to get it outside of western jurisdiction.

    Meanwhile, said jurisdictions will be making and using AI, gaining experience and commercial / military advantage, villains will be obtaining and using it for nefarious purposes, and the west won't have much, if anything to counter it with.

    If meddle they must - and they're politicians so they will - their only option is to try to control and regulate. It won't make much difference, of course. It won't be too long before enthusiasts are training models in their garden shed - good luck regulating that!

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