UK-US data deal could hinge on fate of legal challenges to EU arrangement

The UK has used a statutory instrument to introduce new rules designed to allow the sharing of personal data between the island nation and the US in compliance with data protection law. However, one law firm said the fate of the new arrangement could depend on the outcome of challenges to data-sharing rules established between …

[Anonymous Coward]

All your personal Healthcare data ...

... are belong to US.

[stiine]

... and the significant enhancements in US privacy laws...

NAME ONE!

[Ashto5]

Aw come on

Everyone knows that the USA has the best justice money can buy

[Derezed]

Re: Aw come on

The British system is far worse. No anti SLAPP and libel tourists from dictatorships and kleptocracies come to London to sue journalists, human rights activists and any other little people.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Aw come on

A good set of downvotes there. Wonder if they are klept...?

[EnviableOne]

Re: Aw come on

but the onus is on the plantiff to prove the claims false in the us

wheras in the UK it is on the defendant to prove them true

[BebopWeBop]

Re: Aw come on

The UK is pretty awful (even taking sanctions off a Russian Oligarch temporarily to allow him to prosecute with SLAPP recently in London) but don't think the US have clean hands. Look at 'The Intercepts' problems.

https://theintercept.com/2021/12/02/erik-prince-blackwater-lawsuit-intercept/

[Anonymous Coward]

Sharing.....but then there's what get shared!

Multliple pass encryption.....enjoy!!

====

ne6R5gQsWkTTXok9DcFvYl6Uwop2JgUmrf93FqjDUI+zm2+7Mid0JdowBp6/9LhA7CdPgFYK+jlu

hAutSiLXX/QDZh0ks6Q77zt5Renz4ImfmIv4r5Gdju90nh0iDwLUJ2CKBXvP6QV6HAR/6q+9bI03

KFSEiAr2ju1ge8FxHq1nn56YlwtE6ZdCjlXcvhAh09kBcGWxJgqtVMcZ88DmMilvB0LUkFbxZB3h

OrxYwVLCgC0viezS3pjKAMkLa3QItreLSiStlD/pSqHz/D5Yo0I5aCEP9cp/p1egqF+yHRzL9C0d

qMYcjt6rgo/CXfcnfQAM9uk9ubu2Xc9MxDYSBFxmxI982DGf9M8adodsJ04j3z908tdL2SIHoiN9

afmT9wRcsMVN7Iow3NvoYaFCXHLI9jsoxGy+8S4+c+BeUG8HuHUEK3Gl6At9IG0Zfj+vG1hOei1n

skgHVwF8UQnwXUvsr5fFeJ7No/mfGGDPIYTWI8op

====

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Sharing.....but then there's what get shared!

Remember ms braverman

No encryption

Think of the children

[Anonymous Coward]

....and some more for "woke" folk to chew on.....

Multiple pass encryption to wonder about. Enjoy!!

====

VpbHY0bYJBSpe7iigH4RnZNR95tWr91TZLhR2deLOhd1X2YxWlNi956PTwwn+q5IJUGJW8OLQlI6

WH1qbt5EWIwfVbgi1FI2o3JS9/2mCk5MlrFDgZQhsKyZERSv41J16goEMpykZKnw0uycYcRyqz0A

s0a5MNGu7bDK0U4KFOlVqeP8uiMYHhIahPX++ndJF4ZpzNKKBpz4Y5rfqKkn21Kqlk0GZFt+Q1fD

wa0nez12CZqLqYOrvdAT66AUYEwC88JAOVDrNKveuD85YAxtQPB5A9+QyVAunrPYj0P7SKHIHs7d

pgTdJYM10qSGYSc3pvx7X6a3Fcb8q+AUx8KLNQWcgOyyKF+QQ8uEgjdpmN3DLS9OMo3IbUsFmlEi

vv197fVJhMESYUs/4x+ks1aiCpq/FwL4+X2xqR9bKRfJXbW5+tU4qhu+aig7qWl9C5Jcgm5PhAtJ

gQsvbUuhm8koYdhmhc9W/jGa954D4mxtP8QOneYh1L3UGzAh+N2LYkq2luQl2p92X2PJIsAP0e5Z

NmqQ97SBUg/I0ZGUYF85f5OMptOutxiriap8e4fv3DfJeSkVsbGezsRx1Kd+YmU/iuC2QGfvWUfX

i9GzYI4d7KEtKqfeiNzkjshKMbqgMjZZdYNVb96WPcWv7uU6XOzB8yKQDooRxgAABO3nhXBo4AZV

1tTWRsfBNp3NLjf54Bu0UKHCBiEfw5OSFr57A2rff4C/tUr0FrCW6n7MdKJybLcL7bwA/p0oHrWO

PED7gUS9prl3g/B2QLtEKoS2yHW6Cq2mZ0zxU+boPIdxhsShYDQXsxrv94ZXKra+PQEpPM6b72eJ

ECAb8pasZvDCcndPJa64/nRpFSOUFg1ycUQEW7d6G/j0jzcqFifOfAyY3pNbXBHx4z2ugYbunsSa

Kz0KVYYo6sNjU4bwrR3a7r9fnqBTJpLJr4Mm3FLQGLtgxIjDrVAr45vNJokdg6E9OPnJkt5HonJg

i+2q7U5lz5fEmjh4Yj9WXcu2DyudvW+J5D0Gfq5OxzUJxhN/P17z/nI5ISxwS1S0SWGvsFqJjoT8

aHWPITjL6u141CT1F9o/mXEbZwo8RFsTp3LSlwIpxagtCTXpmtE+DTufJDpTqIcbO5H6Bk17BHK+

VXdlZK89yQ6pdfY4xF5vVKAJcbHZQ780tBYdggbPVEMq86eFjoYItIxhsLxLQ05wCB0UOqgVpGFf

WY8xGNEplKghQwMzyFsWWau4OrXWipvDnp46oNgwFJR5zKSkwFQv4vldB3EbwTwNj/lXGiTvTw+7

FBDDVXlt/JK3tjoHRaBdVQJn3g3b76LB+oZkgTAtDkhJu65zFaoqeOFJl3ppZ+xKDppGcf1FU938

pmWMLlzmQ/54b/hnIdGL1R6WH/iN/90D4DM78280MXuG5Re6fB3zjWZQeyGvvGg6U/55fi55LFfO

1MK3aRpHRklzXNLSsLD4JNZKasSjgWrF38ycJEMwXRj0M3dkY6y04ebR6MBaXIR+LfCtbD7tzYSD

fbzEdb4XzALhsb9A5yEA0sIAgWDcxF9dlPWKEoFxWFbTx8vMADWN2WzzDa27hSsi2PjherckSu22

VZtenK9Yz4EkpTe6V3Mnr0UXj0r6/IP3ZBzN3ZPJGAGdEksMBwttBSvD3qhMQyPpNDlzfWSx9eG5

f5VAPm/EamtlUpYnsT6Q+Te1Em/Rv0katL/ZZEkf0BdQO5A2S/8+Z0g8pz+MVOvXefjD6BlOYZds

uyk7DpryGwu0hNt2f3QnGlTJ1GWWwnagCJuMOT04u+OuxK5ka1bAvTTB2FUC4O/XVuazGObLWL+Y

ml7bIT2VsA==

====

[druck]

Re: ....and some more for "woke" folk to chew on.....

Wow, well done for posting two lots of meaningless gibberish to the comments. Particularly as you don't even the braincells to use pre tags to stop it coming out double spaced.

[heyrick]

Re: ....and some more for "woke" folk to chew on.....

It's an operative testing us to see if anybody is smart enough to decrypt the nonsense.

Expect a visit from nondescript men wearing nondescript suits any moment now...

[BebopWeBop]

Re: Sharing.....but then there's what get shared!

Why should we be concerned about Tory Ministers?

[claimed]

Re: Sharing.....but then there's what get shared!

Wow, great point. Your doctor does this?

[Jamie Jones]

Re: Sharing.....but then there's what get shared!

You do this on just about every story about encryption.

It's not big, it's not clever, and it's definitely not funny.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Sharing.....but then there's what get shared!

@Jamie_Jones

Quote: "...It's not big, it's not clever, and it's definitely not funny...."

Privacy discussion in progress here......

- "funny"....definitely not.....

- "clever"....well there's Michelle Donelan....

- "big"....a matter of opinion....I'd think "privacy" was "big"....

But then, what do I know?

[Jamie Jones]

Re: Sharing.....but then there's what get shared!

"Privacy discussion in progress here......"

That was not a discussion. You just posted random/encrypted text. Why? What point does it prove?

- "clever"....well there's Michelle Donelan....

Using the example of politicians to win that argument is cheating!

- "big"....a matter of opinion....I'd think "privacy" was "big"....

Privacy is big. Your post was not relevant.

That leaves "funny", which you admitted it's not, so.......

[Jan 0]

Re: Sharing.....but then there's what get shared!

What makes you think that that's the same AC as either of the two before? There could be 3 bored teenagers.

[Jamie Jones]

Re: Sharing.....but then there's what get shared!

I decoded the messages. :-)

Naah, I don't know for sure, but the same tone of the prefix text, and general formatting was used each time. Sure, it could be a copy/paste job, but that seems to be a reach.

[TimMaher]

Re: Sharing.....but then there's what get shared!

Naan @Jamie, it was ChatGpt.

[Anonymous Coward]

Not You Again?

@Jamie_Jones

.....not you again?

Well......I suppose that Microsoft fanbois from Cheltenham probably don't get the point! No surprise there!

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Sharing.....but then there's what get shared!

@Jamie_Jones

Quote: "...I did Electrical & Electronic Engineering at Cardiff University, 1988 - 1992..."

Recommended for your reading list:

- A Rulebook For Arguments, Anthony Weston....available on Amazon for £12.65

[Jamie Jones]

Re: Sharing.....but then there's what get shared!

I wasn't arguing, but thanks for paying an interest.

[Anonymous Coward]

A Joke....surely......

Quote: "...significant enhancements in US privacy laws...."

Falls about laughing.........Google, Meta, Twitter.........Privacy..........please........the humour.... “An Evening at the Improv”...."personal data"....."compliance".....

[Yet Another Anonymous coward]

Re: A Joke....surely......

All those companies would argue that the US law is significantly enhanced for them compared to the Eu

[Pascal Monett]

"permit the flow of personal data [..] without the need for further safeguards"

Could someone please remind me why personal information needs to change continent ?

Keep the data on continent, deal with it there, send a summary to HQ (summary that does not contain any PII).

[Doctor Syntax]

Re: "permit the flow of personal data [..] without the need for further safeguards"

"Could someone please remind me why personal information needs to change continent ?"

Monetisation

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: "permit the flow of personal data [..] without the need for further safeguards"

And to be clear, Google et al, charge the govt for the costs of supplying your data. It's a nice money spinner for them, on top of all the private sector data sales.

[FlamingDeath]

Re: "permit the flow of personal data [..] without the need for further safeguards"

“I like money”. - Frito Pendejo

[Jan 0]

Re: "permit the flow of personal data [..] without the need for further safeguards"

>Monetisation

I think the correct spelling is GREED.

[xyz]

Re: "permit the flow of personal data [..] without the need for further safeguards"

Monetization... If you don't spell it wrong, they won't understand what you mean in the US.

Mind you the system will probably break at the Eng end if someone uses an apostrophe, sorry data entry error.

And always remember that "sharing" = shafting.

[Howard Sway]

UK government may have to terminate the UK extension in order to preserve the UK's adequacy status

Sovereignty in action : caught between a rock and a hard place.

[Will Godfrey]

Has it happened yet?

When the US says 'Jump' does the UK demurely ask 'Please sir.. how high?'

[Version 1.0]

Re: Has it happened yet?

And when the EU says 'Jump' the UK says "Yes, we'll watch you but we're not going to jump" ... but the US would say, "Definitely, Trump could be re-elected"

LOL, my "Make America Kittens Again" has changed the icon to a kitten ... LOL, I love that extension!

[BebopWeBop]

Re: Has it happened yet?

I think the UK said NO - and then very quietly, 'when would you like us to do it?'

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Has it happened yet?

I think the UK says: "What onto?"

[SundogUK]

Re: Has it happened yet?

They told us to jump when they went in to Vietnam. We told them to get stuffed.

[BebopWeBop]

Re: Has it happened yet?

Clearly seen by many, Blair onwards as a bad decision.

[Anonymous Coward]

Sovereignty

"Sovereignty", by the brexiteers definition, can only be achieved by not having any trade agreements with anyone.

If they want their sort of Sovereignty, they should move to North Korea.

.

[Derezed]

Re: Sovereignty

THEY TOOK OUR JERBS!

[redpola]

Re: Sovereignty

I think you mean are jerbs.

[Yet Another Anonymous coward]

Re: Sovereignty

Wasn't that the whole 'logic' of Brexit for the Rees-Moggs ?

The Eu would bend over backwards to keep all existing trade freedoms with the UK because ... something... something... German car makers

And the government would bend over backwards to do anything the USA wanted

So any data flows, money laundering or corporate acquisition that the Eu blocked would simply flow through Britain and they would take their %

[Dave_uk]

Re: Sovereignty

You got that BANG ON!

[SundogUK]

Re: Sovereignty

Post Brexit trade deals:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade-agreements-in-effect

Including Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Norway, Iceland and, errr... the EU.

[EvilDrSmith]

Re: Sovereignty

Though from the link, there are about 69 individual countries listed (excluding the EU)

Plus deals with (so far) 6 individual US states:

https://www.cityam.com/brexit-britain-to-sign-sixth-us-state-level-trade-deal-since-leaving-eu/

Plus CPTPP membership.

So in fact, no shortage of post-BREXIT trade deals.

[heyrick]

Re: Sovereignty

"So in fact, no shortage of post-BREXIT trade deals."

And how much of the trade that has been lost do these deals account for?

[M.V. Lipvig]

Bit of a mistake, that

You guys really should fight any sort of data sharing with the US. Once the vacuum is turned on, it stays on. It's too late for us, save yourselves.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Bit of a mistake, that

Thanks for your concerns.

However, there are some Brits (and I mean voters, not just politicians/business vested interest people) that say we could solve the NHS problem if we went to a US style of healthcare.

There are some who STILL think brexit was a good idea, but of course, being in the EU was our best chance at retaining data protection

There are far too many dumb "MEGAs" ("Make England great again") to be able to fight this easily - our best hope is EU law alignment requirements (because despite the brexiteers efforts, we haven't magically left the continent of Europe and parked ourselves next to America or Australia, despite what their trade "deals" imply)

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Bit of a mistake, that

No issue there with MEGA, as long as it doesn't drag Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland in the cesspool...

[BebopWeBop]

Re: Bit of a mistake, that

It would be nice but they appear determined to drag those of us in 'the Celtic provinces' down with them. Although that nice Mr Sunak was very positive about the great deal that NI has.

[ChoHag]

Re: Bit of a mistake, that

See that 'E'?