back to article Amazon 'protects' against junk AI e-books by limiting author-bots to three a day

Amazon has given “authors” who crank out books license to "write" and publish up to three tomes every day via its platform, even if they use AI, and asserts that limit protects its customers. The three-a-day policy applies to Amazon’s Kindle Direct Publishing service and was introduced this week. As far as we can tell, this …

  1. Howard Sway Silver badge

    in order to help protect against abuse, we are lowering the volume limits

    It'll definitely improve the quality if an author can only publish 1095 books a year. For every 1000 AI-using authors, that will only be slightly over a million books taking attention away from actual human written books.

    Amazon looks destined to drown in all the crap it'll be selling at some point.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: in order to help protect against abuse, we are lowering the volume limits

      Good job Barbara Cartland isn't still around

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: in order to help protect against abuse, we are lowering the volume limits

        Charles Hamilton, the writer of Billy Bunter stories, is supposed to have been one of the most prolific authors ever. He is estimated to have written 100million words in his lifetime. Wikipedia reckons that's equivalent to 1,200 novels.

        1. ICL1900-G3 Silver badge

          Re: in order to help protect against abuse, we are lowering the volume limits

          Cripes!

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: in order to help protect against abuse, we are lowering the volume limits

      I very much feel Amazon has reached that point already. It's increasingly difficult to find good product at a good price.

      Certainly, I make a habit of trying to buy elsewhere now.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: in order to help protect against abuse, we are lowering the volume limits

        Amazon's search has been increasingly useless for years now- leading to scenarios like the one you describe- and at this point I'd argue that this was clearly by design.

        The amount of irrelevant nonsense you'll receive in response to a reasonable and focused query- not just keyword-stuffed nonsense from dubious sellers, but nonsense from irrelevant product categories- the opacity and lack of control you have over filtering this out and what you see in general makes clear that Amazon is going to show you what *they* want you to see and buy, whether or not it's what you want.

        If Amazon wanted to crack down on the dubious Marketplace sellers and endless duplicate, keyword-stuffed listings, they could have done so long ago.

        They won't, because they make good money from the amount of sellers of counterfeit crap on their site with little or no effort on their part, and few consequences to themselves. Quite the opposite, they can- and do- use this to blackmail and strongarm the legitimate rights holders into not boycotting the site themselves, since Amazon are the only people who can- apparently- stop this.

        The recent case against them for the use of dark patterns in getting people to sign up for Prime- then making it difficult to cancel- is just another example that proves they're long past deserving the benefit of the doubt on any of the above.

        As someone summed up nicely a while back, the "skeeviness" has been slowly but consistenly creeping into the formerly-reputable Amazon for a long time, and they're now absolutely dripping with it.

        It says something that I trust eBay more these days- even though it's all independent sellers, it's much clearer where you stand, rather than with Amazon where you might buy from a marketplace seller with a great reputation and get a fake (or whatever) anyway because *their* "Fulfilled by Amazon" stock was mixed in the same bin with every other seller's, however dubious.

        1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

          Re: in order to help protect against abuse, we are lowering the volume limits

          Amazon is going to show you what *they* want you to see and buy,

          They may succeed with the first but fail with the second. Perhaps they could try an A/B test with an alternative search engine that does as it's asked to find out how much trade they're turning away.

        2. MachDiamond Silver badge

          Re: in order to help protect against abuse, we are lowering the volume limits

          "Amazon's search has been increasingly useless for years now- leading to scenarios like the one you describe- and at this point I'd argue that this was clearly by design."

          They don't really need to have a very good search algorithm. They have legions of people that curate lists and provide affiliate links to the products on Amazon. It's rare these days to find somebody on YouTube that has a link to something that isn't via Amazon. Frankly, I can find the authentic widget often for less myself or a cheap knock-off for less if that's all I need.

  2. heyrick Silver badge

    Three books a day?

    Be lucky to get three chapters a day written as a human. Three entire books in a day is... not going to change anything.

    1. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: Three books a day?

      "Be lucky to get three chapters a day written as a human."

      I've had a couple of books being chipped away at for several years now. Many of my favorite authors have 2-3 books released per year. Sometime there are more if it's a serial they already have an outlined planned out to where the story is going. The most prolific authors I read do a lot of short stories like Larry Niven's Draco Tavern which is a setting used to write parables against when he has a concept that might be too short but he still wants to explore it a bit.

  3. Filippo Silver badge

    We have always known that 99% of everything is crap. Now that we have AI-generated content, 99.99% of everything is going to be crap. Which means that the time it takes to figure out what is not crap is going way up.

    It's a difficult concept to express right now, but I believe that we, as a society, need to start taking the concept of the "economy of attention" extremely seriously.

    Human attention today is a scarce, highly valuable, hotly contested resource - much like oil or lithium or whatever. It's high time we stop giving it away for free, and stop thinking nothing of attempts to steal it.

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      There is a solution

      If you're interested in a book, wait for the user evaluations. Unless you're certain that you do want that book from that author, and know that said book is worthy of your time, wait for evals to roll in.

      If there aren't any, don't go first.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: There is a solution

        Great advice for the latest "Great American Novel" but if you need a book on "Configuring the CISCO XYZ" tomorrow, then you probably can't wait for the TLS to do a piece on it.

        Or you could rely on the bot generated reviews to the bot generated books. But the only ones that are actually human are the ones saying things like "I bought it as a gift but haven't read it = 5stars" or "The greatest story ever told, but delivery driver left it outside = 1 star"

      2. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: There is a solution

        "If there aren't any, don't go first."

        Amazon has a fairly predatory return policy when it comes to books. You can return them for credit and get something else. Amazon bills that return back against the author so even a popular book might not earn much for the writer. I think it was Cory Doctorow or Adam (ruins everything) that pointed this out in a podcast/vidcast.

    2. Just Enough

      "99% of everything is crap"

      We're not far off the point where AI will be getting trained by what is mostly already AI generated, producing crap^2.

      If human generated crap is going to be submerged by a deluge of AI crap, where does it leave the original 1% of good stuff?

      1. druck Silver badge

        where does it leave the original 1% of good stuff?

        1% today, 0.1% tomorrow and 0.01% the day after.

      2. coolhandle

        Information gray goo

        OMG. The internet is going to be consumed by the informational equivalent of the “gray goo.”

      3. MachDiamond Silver badge

        "We're not far off the point where AI will be getting trained by what is mostly already AI generated, producing crap^2."

        How many books have you read that were "meh" vs something you want in paper so you can dip in and out of it again and again? When I go to the Friends of the Library sales, I see stacks of the popular author's books that are just trash. They are the equivalent of TV soap operas and the books are tossed after one read. Not even the libraries want them to help hold the shelves down. AI's are going to be trained on that crap?

        I'd be interested to see what would come out if an AI was trained on only the best work of a really good sci-fi/fantasy author. I'd then want to see what would happen as 'just ok' stories were added to the training until the really good tales were at the percentage they are right now. I expect the good tales would be diluted out so much that they wouldn't do anything to bring up the tone. It will wind up as the Beavis and Butthead of story telling.

  4. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    "that limit protects its customers"

    Okay, that phrase makes me wonder : who are Amazon's "customers" in this case ?

    Because publishing three "books" full of bull per day is not going to protect you or me, that's for sure.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: "that limit protects its customers"

      One book every three days would be too much.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: "that limit protects its customers"

        How fast do (did?) Mills & Boon churn them out? Ok, that's an army of human authors[*], but still.

        * I never read one, but some might say I'm being to charitable with that word :-)

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I'm happy

    AI chicken have finally come home to roost and hopefully will drown amazon in chicken shit.

    1. Michael Strorm Silver badge

      Re: I'm happy

      Amazon is already ten feet deep in metaphorical chicken shit, and has been for a long time. The only question is when- or if- this will eventually start to hurt their profits. Doesn't appear to have done so yet, unfortunately.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: I'm happy

        It would take a controlled experiment to find out but it may well be hurting their profits already. They may be making money now but it's quite possible they could make more by letting customers find wht they're looking for.

      2. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: I'm happy

        "The only question is when- or if- this will eventually start to hurt their profits. Doesn't appear to have done so yet, unfortunately."

        Everybody has convinced everybody else that Amazon Always has what they are looking for and also sell it as the lowest price (with one day or even same day delivery). I stopped buying anything through Amazon years ago, but I still have friends that do and they keep getting scammed with junk and counterfeit products. Since they can send it right back, they never seem to connect with how much time they waste on the process rather than being able to go to a brick and mortar store and buy a good product at a fair price the next time they are out. I almost never need one day delivery. I try to plan better than that and unrealistically hope that if I really need something right away, there will be a store around that can sell me one.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Amazon allows AI-generated books on its platforms, that is clear.

    amazon allows ANYTHING on its platform unless outrageously illegal, that is clear. And even if potentially illegal, they'll keep making profit off it for as long as possible. Nothing personal, just business.

  7. FirstTangoInParis Silver badge
    FAIL

    No peer review

    I’ve recently come across a supposed guide book to Croatia [1]. At the back it says”printed by Amazon”. The entire book is a jumble, even the copyright statements. If all self-published books had to be peer-reviewed by a verified human, most of not all would go straight in the dustbin.

    Don’t just take my word for this, see also https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/130688105-croatia-travel-guide

    [1] Croatia Travel Guide 2023 by Stuart Hartley.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: No peer review

      "[1] Croatia Travel Guide 2023 by Stuart Hartley."

      Any relation to J. R. Hartley?

  8. sten2012

    "illegal NSFW acts"

    Is it just me curious about which illegal acts are SFW?

    1. Filippo Silver badge

      Tax evasion, I guess.

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