back to article Pot calls the kettle hack as China claims Uncle Sam did digital sneak peek first

The ongoing face-off between Washington and Beijing over technology and security issues has taken a new twist, with China accusing the US of hacking into the servers of Huawei in 2009 and conducting other cyber-attacks to steal critical data. China's Ministry of State Security made the allegations in a posting (and here, …

  1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Holmes

    "We're not the ones spying, you are."

    Oh come on. You all are.

    1. Charles Bu

      Re: "We're not the ones spying, you are."

      Yeah, they all are.

      The issue these days is more whose side someone is on (if any), for whatever political or business reasons.

  2. Mark Exclamation

    The US was only trying to to get its stolen IP back....

    1. Strahd Ivarius Silver badge
      Coat

      v4 or v6?

  3. Avon B7

    Operation Shotgiant

    Thanks to Snowden and the Crypto AG saga we all know to what lengths the US will go to in order to get its tentacles into other countries networks.

    The same can be said of all nations with the capacity to carry out such initiatives. That includes China but also the UK, Russia, EU member states, Five Eyes members etc.

    However, for the US to come out and promote its 'Clean Networks' programme was both an insult and a joke. How could they even say that with a straight face?

    Networks are based on international standards. Those are the only networks that count.

    As for Chinese laws that require national participation from Chinese companies, well that is no different from the US issuing an executive order to get the same result. All under the guise of National Security.

    What history and Snowden have shown us is that the US denies doing lots of things until it actually gets caught doing those exact same things. Lie through your teeth until you get whacked over the head with the truth.

    The US is running scared after seeing Huawei gain so much influence in 5G standards and now conducting so much research into 6G.

    They are so out of touch with reality that Trump even asked if they could create their very own 5G just for the US (maybe Apple could do it, he said). Look how difficult it is proving - today - for Apple even to get a 5G modem out of the door).

    Huawei then put them on the spot publicly by offering to licence it's entire 5G stack (source code etc, the whole shebang) to a US consortium.

    That offer was rejected and from there we knew this was not about 'clean' or even dirty networks. It was about control, protectionism and maintaining US hegemony in the tech sphere.

    Huawei deals with an average of one million intrusion attempts on its systems every day.

    1. martinusher Silver badge

      Re: Operation Shotgiant

      Its just pure coincidence that the only companies that seem to be able to produced advanced modems are Qualcomm and Huawei. Intel and Apple have had a go but haven't succeeded.

      Its also pure coincidence that Huawei owns about 60% of the patents in the pool needed to produce 5G.

      The more you learn the more you understand.....and its not technical material, either. I get this nagging feeling that it all comes down to politicians being cheaper to hire than engineers.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Article 7 of China's National Intelligence Law

    Stop speaking about this law, the same kind of obligations exist in the Western countries laws.

    1. Sandtitz Silver badge

      Re: Article 7 of China's National Intelligence Law @A.Coward

      "Stop speaking about this law, the same kind of obligations exist in the Western countries laws."

      <citation needed>

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Article 7 of China's National Intelligence Law @A.Coward

        https://www.justice.gov/criminal-oia/cloud-act-resources

        Also you can't even say that they requested information from you, else you get canceled, banned and destroyed.

        1. Sandtitz Silver badge
          Stop

          Re: Article 7 of China's National Intelligence Law @A.Coward

          "https://www.justice.gov/criminal-oia/cloud-act-resources"

          CLOUD act is certainly not the same, and it does mandate anything like "citizens and organizations are required to function as covert operatives of the state" as mentioned in the article.

          In fact it does not concern individuals at all, it is only about mandating companies to provide requested data stored on servers if a warrant is served to them. It also provides mechanisms for the companies or the courts to reject or challenge these if they believe the request violates the privacy rights of the foreign country the data is stored in.

          "Also you can't even say that they requested information from you, else you get canceled, banned and destroyed."

          Ah, you're speaking again about the Chinese National Intelligence Law. They sure do have a habit of making people disappear for re-education.

          1. 43300 Silver badge

            Re: Article 7 of China's National Intelligence Law @A.Coward

            Do you seriously believe that the US, UK, China, Russia and various other major countries aren't all at it? They'll all be spying on each other, probably including on those who are currently "friends" with them.

            1. Sandtitz Silver badge

              Re: Article 7 of China's National Intelligence Law @A.Coward

              "Do you seriously believe that the US, UK, China, Russia and various other major countries aren't all at it?"

              No. I haven't stated anything like that.

              This thread is about China's National Intelligence Law and how it compels Chinese businesses anywhere in the world to provide all data the Chinese spy agencies ask for.

              1. 43300 Silver badge

                Re: Article 7 of China's National Intelligence Law @A.Coward

                And what are the chances that US corps aren't doing the same?

                1. bpfh

                  Re: Article 7 of China's National Intelligence Law @A.Coward

                  First of all, given some of Huawei's code, it's not going to be hard.

                  As for other countries doing it? Well, yeah, the NSA has been upgrading Cisco stuff for a while when required: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa-upgrade-factory-show-cisco-router-getting-implant/amp/

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