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Russia appears to be "better" at running online trolling campaigns aimed at pushing its political narratives than China, according to Meta's latest Adversarial Threat Report. The report [PDF], published Tuesday, features Meta's claims that it has made the world a little bit safer by blocking two of the largest political …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Has any originality ever come out of China in the last 1000 years?

    Didn't think so. Can't even copy the Russians, which isn't exactly a high bar.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Has any originality ever come out of China in the last 1000 years?

      Practically every development regarding LFTRs?

    2. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: Has any originality ever come out of China in the last 1000 years?

      It's not the 90s anymore. We can learn a lot from China especially when it comes to manufacturing.

      Try making something in the UK and you will quickly learn that realistically you can't.

      1. steviebuk Silver badge

        Re: Has any originality ever come out of China in the last 1000 years?

        China hasn't invented anything in years. Its the fault of the CCP as anyone that attempts gets shutdown. Look at Huawei, they've been caught a few times over the years at trade shows attempt to steal the tech that is on show.

        Mao tried to wipe out their history by destroying ancient monuments, some of which were revealed a few years ago in the big drought as they'd been unwater all the time.

        Sadly, for the Chinese people, they are stuck with Mao Mark 2 in the man child that is known as Xinnie the Pooh.

        1. Catkin Silver badge

          Re: Has any originality ever come out of China in the last 1000 years?

          Perhaps not invented but, in 2017, they crossed a historic landmark: being able to manufacture a ballpoint pen from scratch:

          https://www.businessinsider.com/china-has-finally-figured-out-how-to-make-ballpoint-pens-2017-1?r=US&IR=T

      2. steviebuk Silver badge

        Re: Has any originality ever come out of China in the last 1000 years?

        Yeah, use slave labour. That is why shit is so cheap over there. Two westerns were in prison and did an article about it, said everyone except for the westerns, were shipped off to factories every day. He said the westerners, including him, stayed behind and wrapped Christmas cards that were heading for Tesco.

  2. simonb_london

    Well I'm glad that it is only the Russians that would ever do any propaganda, bots or fake news.

  3. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Blind spot

    They look a bit like hypocrites if they don't mention Swiss troll farms run from Davos. Although the WEF Information Warriors as they call themselves have been less active lately.

    1. Glen 1
      Trollface

      Re: Blind spot

      The WEF conspiracy theory angle always made me laugh.

      You have people who genuinely believe the free market is king - but rich(er) people moving their money to do what *they* want rather than what *you* want is apparently unfair.

      While *simultaneously* believing that the notion of world govs trying to *protect* the little guy from such moves is automatically evil - or worse, socialism.

      Top laughs.

      1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

        Re: Blind spot

        There you are!

        - but rich(er) people moving their money to do what *they* want rather than what *you* want is apparently unfair.

        If they use their money to train a cohort of puppet politicians to install in governments and government institutions across the world to do their bidding, it's not "unfair" but rather an embodiment of corruption and a direct attack on democracy.

        Yep, laugh mate.

        1. Glen 1

          Re: Blind spot

          That's my point.

          When the rich are paying politicians to do you what *you* want. That's democracy in action.

          Trying to have more checks and balances to keep such corruption in check? Lets stack the judiciary to remove the checks. Why, those checks are removing the power from duly elected officials! Muh FREEEDDUUUUMMM!!!

          NRA, Big Pharma, Military industrial complex lobbying, the Church? Fine. Lobbying is part of politics -- Unions, BLM, LGBQT+ groups? Evil groomers, apparently

          Elon Buying Twitter and turning it into a dumpster fire? That's capitalism Baby! -- Bill Gates spending billions on vaccinations? Evil! He must have an agenda!

          Its the double standard that's funny.

          --

          In the UK we have conservatives complaining about Union donations to the Labour party. Without a scrap of self awareness.

          *Their* donors are literally the people who "use their money to train a cohort of puppet politicians" - just look at the recent honours lists - or the Covid contracts. Where as the Union members are just regular voters who have to pool their funds to compete with the rich people. I am not naïve enough to think there won't be shenanigans when Labour are back in - but Unions are literally the people.

          When finally, the UKs rich neo-cons manipulated the gov into producing the low-tax (and not quite yet) low-spend nirvana.... there were consequences. The people who *actually* own everything decided we were a bad investment. The resulting knock on effects wiped £300 Billion off the value of our stock and bond markets Source

          Apparently, a cloud cukoo land policy meeting reality and failing to meet expectations must mean there is a conspiracy. I believe there is a warning about the dangers of capitalism in there somewhere

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Troll farms use standard SEO to drive traffic

    One method is providing back-links. Comments is another tool. Old-school forum spam techniques are often used: flame and flood.

    Causing political instability is probably the main goal. LGBT/trans topic has been surprisingly effective to divide Americans. Example: YT channel TFP Student Action (youtube.com/@tfpstudentaction) has a definite flame narrative. I bet, a lot of comments and likes are fake.

    Comment flood is used to do dilute informative or political comments with noise. Example: a Balarus government site, with top comments filled with short templated condolences: youtube.com/watch?v=uYlQZ2q9DUE

    Then fake likes are used to push the comments up. Not only bots are active, but also work-from-home accounts. This is a form of SEO jobs employment.

    Prigozhin was a boss of famous troll farms. One recent way to spot Russian-sponsored media is to look at 1-2 days right after Prigozhin's death just to see zero posts related to his death. It is because the media follow strict instructions ("методички"). His death was extremely news-worthy, but a taboo to discuss there. One such Russian channel: youtube.com/@SMILEFACEru

    Back-links from sputnik-magazin.de, or Russian news sites is a shortcut to spot channels resonating with political instability goals of the campaigns. Those channels are:

    www.youtube.com/@tfpstudentaction (mentioned above)

    www.youtube.com/@RedactedNews

    www.youtube.com/@RussellBrand

    www.youtube.com/@VALUETAINMENT

    www.youtube.com/@UnHerd

    www.youtube.com/@RedPilledTV

    www.youtube.com/@usefulidiots

    www.youtube.com/@lenapetrova

    www.youtube.com/@thejimmydoreshow

    www.youtube.com/@TheKatieHalperShow

    An innovative form of money laundering can be employed for channel owners, assuming some of them may be recruited by foreign intelligence. Even if the sites are not paid directly by the adversary, it is sufficient to be paid indirectly through YouTube ads, while getting sponsored by the adversary fake comments, likes, and back-links, therefore traffic to the channel.

    TechLead has posted a great video "The TRUTH is a psyop... faking outrage and virtue for money." : youtube.com/watch?v=Ox9wSYb86OY

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    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      > recruited by foreign intelligence

      The channel owners do not have to be recruited to post flame content. It is enough they observe that the flame content brings them traffic, thus more ad revenue.

      The more flame they post, the more fake likes and comments they get from the adversaries, the more they earn from ads. Channel owners likely have low moral principles and do not care that they are destroying their own societies, while monetizing panic and chaos.

      Social media MUST block all ads on channels with political or flame content. Maybe some of those will die naturally.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Big Brother

      Re: Troll farms use standard SEO to drive traffic

      Is this an example of reverse trolling ;)

  5. Anonymous Coward

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