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Green Energy Partners (GEP) has tapped IP3 International to help realize its dream of a massive datacenter campus in Virginia powered entirely by small modular nuclear reactors (SMRs) and hydrogen gas generators. The joint venture between the two companies will see the formation of a 641-acre industrial park located in Surry …

  1. Aitor 1

    Clean hydrogen

    I hate clean hydrogen, as such thing doesn't exist.

    Also, how do they pretend to store hydrogen long term? That is, in practice, impossible without loss.

    Under pressure it will go through the pressure vessel and potentially embrittle it, and liquid it needs to be extremely cold, and that requires energy input to keep it cool.

    Where they want to source this hydrogen from is also of interes.

    They would be better served by batteries.

    If you already have a massive bank of lifepo batteries.. more options open.

    1. Jim Mitchell
      Boffin

      Re: Clean hydrogen

      Also, how do they pretend to store hydrogen long term?

      I have this idea, you could combine it with carbon to form ... hydrocarbons!

      1. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Devil

        Re: Clean hydrogen

        hydrocarbons store pretty well without much loss. i got a tank full of 'em in the back of my car...

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Clean hydrogen

      Also, how do they pretend to store hydrogen long term?

      Gasbags.

      Virginia is located close to a global centre of gasbag excellence.

      1. NoneSuch Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: Clean hydrogen

        "Gasbags."

        No sir. Hindenburg shaped gasbags.

    3. Catkin Silver badge

      Re: Clean hydrogen

      The proposal seems fairly modest and sensible. It's not going to be a large scale generation project, just a waste heat recovery scheme. Storing the hydrogen in this scenario isn't a huge issue if land is cheap, you just build gasometers (the big low pressure tanks we used when everyone ran on coal gas); the problems of storing hydrogen at high density only come into play if you're trying to transport it or use it to run vehicles.

      Compared to a battery farm, once the manufacturing plant is online, scaling is cheap (as far as quantities stored). I'd also add that low pressure hydrogen, if the tanks are above ground, is reasonably safe compared to battery farms or hydrocarbon tanks, any leaks just fly up into the atmosphere before an explosive mixture can form (there's a great USAF safety video where they investigate the dangers of liquid hydrogen spills, which I believe translates quite well into gaseous storage leaks).

  2. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    "using its own private gas-powered power plant"

    Where are they getting the gas from, Russia ?

    Or is this a liquid gas deal done at great cost to ferry over the Atlantic a batch of greenhouse gas with the excuse that fusion will be used later ?

    1. Catkin Silver badge

      Re: "using its own private gas-powered power plant"

      At the current time, the majority of natural gas in the Republic of Ireland is split between Corrib (domestic) and imports from the UK by pipeline. There is a crunch on the horizon when Corrib runs out.

  3. Sparkus

    Hydrogen wells

    are common in Virginia then?

  4. rcxb Silver badge

    Pie in the sky

    Pretty obvious they're using impractical "green" technology promised down the road, to sell a heavy electric utilization on a dirty grid right now. They'll slow-walk and spend barely any money on the reactors and hydrogen for a few years, then quietly announce they had to give up.

    It's strange because solar and wind power are immensely practical and economical right now.

    And a much more efficient alternative to generators than hydrogen are redox-flow batteries, where the charged electrolyte can similarly be generated from electricity, stored in tanks much easier than hydrogen, and trunked in from far away if a refill is needed during an extended power outage.

    1. jmch Silver badge

      Re: Pie in the sky

      " they're using impractical "green" technology promised down the road, to sell a heavy electric utilization on a dirty grid right now"

      erm... as I understood the article, they're setting up the datacentre close to an existing nuclear plant, so during the 'setting up SMR' phase they would still be using nuclear power from the grid. (Yes, once it's from the grid you can't guarantee it's actually coming from nuclear rather than oil/coil or whatever else is on the grid).

      The hydrogen part is pie in the sky, also as many commentators above pointed out, quite impractical. Ideally we could have an industrial process that uses energy to create hydrocarbons from water and CO2 but we are very far away from having an efficient such process. Electrolysing water to get hydrogen is a known process. And while there are problems with storing and transporting hydrogen (particularly it would need long-term storage for backup operations), if there are no residential buildings close by that can use the heat, the alternative is just wasting it. So however inefficient and expensive the hydrogen process is, anything above break-even is a plus

  5. david 12 Silver badge

    Surry County

    It makes sense to locate a datacentre at a power plant --- if the power plant is somewhere where you want a data center.

    I've nothing against Surry County -- It's on the densely populated east coast -- but it's not somewhere like Loudoun County, next to DC, which already has data centers because that's where they were needed.

    1. Richard 12 Silver badge

      "Where they are needed"?

      The whole point of a datacentre is that it doesn't really matter where it is.

      All a datacentre needs is power, connectivity and cooling.

      For the vast majority of uses, it doesn't matter if your ping time increases by 30-40 microseconds by travelling the entire width of the USA.

      Your data will spend longer being switched inside the datacentre.

      1. Toomuchtimeonmyhands

        Re: "Where they are needed"?

        If that's true, which I'm not saying it isn't, then why is over half of the datacenter MW in the US concentrated in NoVA where land and power are at a premium?

  6. Luiz Abdala
    Go

    Nuclear option

    I wholeheartedly support BIG PWR nuclear power plants, producing 1000+ MW each. Except these guys don't like to slowdown or speedup and love working at 100% all the time, just changing fuel rods every 18 months. Sell the rest of the energy to the grid or make hydrogen.

    Don´t forget the Lawrence Livermore research to break down the HLW (high level waste) into something less risky for the environment, and that research should be included in the package.

    This hydrogen part needs a lot of research however.

  7. StrangerHereMyself Silver badge

    Steelmills

    Steel mills and chemical plants will no doubt also opt for SMR (small modular reactors) in the future. That's only logical.

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