back to article Never mind room temperature, LK-99 slammed as 'not a superconductor at all'

Enthusiasm over the purported room temperature superconductor LK-99 is waning further as more research teams are unable to reproduce the original findings. In fact, one at a US university has concluded it is not a superconductor at all. Researchers around the world are racing to reproduce the findings from the Quantum Energy …

  1. theOtherJT Silver badge

    Which does raise the question...

    ...if this stuff definitely isn't superconducting or diamagnetic, then what was causing the fun floating thing happening in the original video? Was it a deliberate fake? Did the actually build something different by accident?

    1. Diodelogic

      Re: Which does raise the question...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism

      This article includes a picture of pyrolytic carbon levitating above magnets. There are many pictures on the 'net of bismuth levitating as well. This magnetic levitation occurs at room temperature.

    2. Raphael

      Re: Which does raise the question...

      the chap who made the video has apparently come forward and said that he faked it all.

      https://www.tomshardware.com/news/lk-99-video-fraud-taken-down

  2. Peter Prof Fox

    Elon Musk...

    Obviously.

    His next target will be to trash gravity. (After investing other people's money in it.) Is there no end to this guy's genius?

    1. _olli

      Re: Elon Musk...

      Why, he doesn't need to trash gravity, because Einstein already over 100 years ago concluded that gravity is not a real force but an illusion caused by curvature of spacetime.

  3. Richocet

    Superinsulator.

    You heard it here first.

    1. Blazde Silver badge
      Trollface

      Maybe it only becomes superconductive way above room temperature? Would be the ultimate irony after so many decades looking for the effect at higher temps..

  4. Jay Kim

    I’m wondering if anyone has read the original patent thesis. It’s from the original patent thesis.

    You can find the images (Fig. 21, 22) https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2023027537A1/en

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    FIG. 21 shows that when no current is supplied to the LK-99 sample, the diamagnetic property is very small, so the magnetic levitation phenomenon is not good, and it is just placed on the magnet. FIG. 22 is a Cooper pair generated and increased by the supplied current As a result, it can be seen that the diamagnetic property is strengthened and the magnetic levitation phenomenon appears.

    ———

    Doesn’t this mean you can control superconductivity?

    1. Paul Herber Silver badge

      Is this one of those "that's very odd" moments?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        "Is this one of those "that's very odd" moments?"

        I think the original experiment was one of those moments.

        The batch of follow up results is one of those moments where you say: "Oh, never mind... there was a problem with the experiment*. Hopefully we learned some things about the possible sources of error in this field of work. In the meantime, hooray for Science and the process of publishing our work so that others may validate, learn from, and expand upon our findings."

        * or there was outright fraud, which is particularly foolish in a case where the experiment is easily repeatable by a competent lab.

    2. phuzz Silver badge

      Doesn’t this mean you can control superconductivity?

      No. It shows that an electric current has an associated magnetic field. (Exactly how that magnetic field interacts with whatever magnetism the sample has, might have some interesting science, but it's just normal old electromagnetism).

      However, we can already control superconductivity. Heat up a superconductor above it's critical temperature and it will cease to superconduct, and vice versa.

  5. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    "a very highly resistive poor quality material"

    I wonder what pushed those guys at the Quantum Energy Research Centre in Seoul to publish something that wrong.

    Is this a case of they were genuinely convinced their data was good and made a mistake, or is it that they just wanted their names in the papers ?

    Because they had to know that such a claim would be verified, and after the cold fusion scandal, there is no chance that they could just do a "you're trying it wrong" and get away with it.

    Now they're not supplying the samples they promised. Another bad mark on this so-called research center.

    I don't know if they're ever going to "find" anything or anything else, but if they do, they'd better find somebody else's name to put on the paper, because theirs is burned for all eternity (well, at least until the Internet dies).

    1. ChoHag Silver badge

      Re: "a very highly resistive poor quality material"

      > I wonder what pushed those guys at the Quantum Energy Research Centre in Seoul to publish something that wrong.

      Wan-Kwon got frustrated with the lack of results after 10 years or so and gambled on early publication.

    2. Andy The Hat Silver badge

      Re: "a very highly resistive poor quality material"

      They published once and had the paper withdrawn, this is probably going to be a second time ... Reputations which had already been a bit shaky are further diminishing I feel.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "a very highly resistive poor quality material"

      > stocks in companies linked to superconductor technology have dropped, according to Bloomberg, after taking off following the publication of the original report in July.

      1) Invest in "companies linked to superconductor technology"

      2) Publish paper about superconductor technology

      3) Sell shares before they drop

      That's next year's research budget taken care of.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: "a very highly resistive poor quality material"

        My concern is the fickleness of the stock market in the first place. Why invest in some random superconductor company that is totally unrelated to this research paper when said company may never get access to the technology even if it does exist? A major breakthrough such as this purported to be is as likely to wipe out many "superconductor companies" as be a sign they will suddenly thrive and become valuable.

    4. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

      Re: "a very highly resistive poor quality material"

      or is it that they just wanted their names in the papers

      Paging Fleischmann and Pons..

      Fleischmann and Pons to the yellow phone please. Someone is stealing your publicity techniques..

  6. StrangerHereMyself Silver badge

    Hoax

    This entire spat is nothing but one big hoax. It wouldn't even surprise me if it started out as a joke to see if they could make the headlines.

  7. breakfast
    Joke

    Sounds like that's about it, then

    Time to mark the copper-doped lead-apatite for destruction.

    1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge

      Re: Sounds like that's about it, then

      No appetite for lead-apatite

    2. Glenn Amspaugh
      Coat

      Re: Sounds like that's about it, then

      Copper Doped Lead Appetite for Destruction

      is a great band name.

      1. Throatwarbler Mangrove Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: Sounds like that's about it, then

        Already taken: it's the name of my Live/Sublime/Megadeth tribute band.

      2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Sounds like that's about it, then

        ...AKA CD-LAD, the teenage mix DJ?

        (No idea if he really exists, but I bet there was at least few going by that name at some stage, probably in the 2000')

  8. tmTM

    Congratulations

    It looks like every specialist on this subject in the world has chipped in to flush your career straight down the toilet.

    Have fun trying to publish any further work.

  9. anthonyhegedus Silver badge

    Purest Green

    To paraphrase Percy from Blackadder -

    Oh, Edmund, can it be true, that I hold here in my mortal hand a nugget of purest low quality thermistor?

    1. Fr. Ted Crilly Silver badge

      Re: Purest Green

      No Percy... it's snot.

      1. Paul Herber Silver badge

        Re: Purest Green

        This small thermistor is close to the critical temperature, but that large one is far away from the critical temperature.

  10. Neoc
    Coat

    I'd keep following this news cycle, but I've lost my apatite for it.

  11. Adam JC

    Disappointingly (almost) inevitable

    This has happened before several times, but this *REALLY* seemed to gain a huge amount of traction on social media and news outlets, much more than anything else I can remember off the top of my head.

    This makes the disappointment even greater when it's eventually debunked, alas, there at least appears to have been another successful fusion experiment - https://www.newscientist.com/article/2386288-nuclear-fusion-breakthrough-is-cheap-clean-energy-finally-here/ (Looks like paywall, but it's not!)

    Gave us all a bit of hope for a while though I guess :-)

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