back to article North Korean hackers had access to Russian missile maker for months, say researchers

Two North Korean hacker groups had access to the internal systems of Russian missile and satellite developer NPO Mashinostoyeniya for five to six months, cyber security firm SentinelOne asserted on Monday. The attack illustrates potential North Korean efforts to advance development of missile and other military tech via cyber …

  1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    Sad little dictator

    In a sad little country, a sad little man exploits everything and everyone without thought of consequences.

    Sounds like a horrible place to live.

    1. EvilDrSmith

      Re: Sad little dictator

      is that a reference to North Korea or Russia? It seems to fit both

      1. cookieMonster Silver badge

        Re: Sad little dictator

        “Little”….. my guess is Vlad-the-merde Putain.

        Kim is a large fat f€&k

      2. Jedit Silver badge
        Unhappy

        "It seems to fit both"

        It fits a lot more than just those two. Like the country I happen to be sitting in, albeit without an actual dictator.

        1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
          Alert

          Re: "It seems to fit both"

          Sunak is 5'6"

        2. Casca Silver badge

          Re: "It seems to fit both"

          Maybe try a real dictatorship before you write...

          1. Rustbucket

            Re: "It seems to fit both"

            Like if Trump actually gets to be President for a second time?

            He's promising retribution against all his supposed enemies.

            1. Insert sadsack pun here

              Re: "It seems to fit both"

              Trump is awful in every single way, and yet he was not and will not be a dictator. He won a reasonably democratic and fair election, he left office after losing another election, and (unbelievably) might return to power on the basis of a third election. He is being prosecuted in open court, there is still a free-ish press, the rights of assembly and free speech are in okay state, etc. That's totally different from Russia and North Korea. The US is very flawed and Trump worse, but it just isn't a dictatorship.

          2. tiggity Silver badge

            Re: "It seems to fit both"

            @Casca said

            "Maybe try a real dictatorship before you write..."

            Try looking at the UK anti protest laws (& associated penalties and restrictions on your actions / movements that can be subsequently applied) - they would not be out of place in a dictatorship

            If you are / have been involved in protests in the UK you will know the level of surveillance of protesters is high and has been for decades depending on the protest*.

            * Been photographed / filmed by police / security services on protests since the eighties (though first time I was photographed was not a protest per se, it was whilst being involved in supporting striking miners)

    2. jgarbo

      Re: Sad little dictator

      Funny, that's what I hear about the US...

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Big Brother

    The Russians run their missile developement on Windows?

    The Russians run their missile developement on Windows?

    OpenCarrot has previously been detected during Lazarus Group activities. It enables full compromise of infected machines

    Illogical: an already compromised machine does not need to be compromised enabled.

    SentinelOne developed AI-based software that protects laptops and cellphones from security breaches by identifying unusual behavior in enterprise networks. The Mountain View, California-based company was founded in 2013 by Israeli entrepreneurs Tomer Weingarten, its CEO, and Almog Cohen.”

    1. sitta_europea Silver badge

      Re: The Russians run their missile developement on Windows?

      " “SentinelOne developed AI-based software that protects laptops and cellphones from security breaches by identifying unusual behavior..." "

      Shirley if unusual behaviour is detected it's already compromised and it's too late to "protect" it?

      1. doublelayer Silver badge

        Re: The Russians run their missile developement on Windows?

        Sure, in the same way that, if I see someone trying to break into your house, then it's too late to do anything and we might as well sit back and watch while they take your stuff. There is such a thing as responding to threats you did not succeed in completely preventing.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Boffin

          Re: The Russians run their missile developement on Windows?

          @doublelayer: How about sueing the people who put in the burgler alarms that don't work and the locks that can be picked with a paper clip.

          1. doublelayer Silver badge

            Re: The Russians run their missile developement on Windows?

            That's an option, and sometimes it works. Some of the people who assume that is the cause might find that their forgetting to lock the door or maintain the alarm were more influential. Doesn't change the fact that, no matter the strength of your security, it is possible for someone to breech it and you still want to respond when they have, not give up on the basis that if they got past your defenses, then you're dead.

    2. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: The Russians run their missile developement on Windows?

      It depends what they mean by "full compromise", but most likely they're referring to privilege escalation to system or admin level from a nonprivileged account, in which case having code execution doesn't automatically give you that. I'm not sure what naming the founders or city was supposed to tell me, though.

    3. jgarbo
      Devil

      Re: The Russians run their missile developement on Windows?

      I thought Russian military projects used Linux. SentinelOne sounds very Mossad-ish. Is this "discovery" a false flag op to drive a wedge between Russia and DPRK?

  3. sanmigueelbeer
    1. TVU

      Re: So who has NOT hacked the Russians just yet?

      These two hacking reports indicate that Russia has no real political friends at all and China and North Korea are after anything they can get from their supposed friend.

      China would probably like to get some of its eastern Siberian territory back* at some point including the port city of Haishenwai (currently known as Vladivostok).

      *Russian Siberia used to end at Ul'bansky Zaliv (Ulbansky Bay) further to the north.

      1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

        Re: So who has NOT hacked the Russians just yet?

        Countries don't have friends, only have interests. Which I've seen attributed to Charles de Gaulle, but I think he was quoting someone else.

        I don't know if the Chinese care about getting Vladivostok back - but they don't need to grab Siberia to get resources. With Russia under sanctions, China can buy the resources off them for cheap. Much safer than invading a nuclear power. Even though most of Russia's Siberian troops are still bogged down in Ukraine, and have considerably less equipment than they had back in February last year.

        China has historically been pretty good at getting hold of the latest Russian/Soviet aircraft and copying any useful tech. But not with submarines. Sadly the Soviet Union made pretty good strides in catching up with Western sub tech - but since the Walker spy ring in the 70s/80s they've had some extremely good boats. And that isn't tech they've shared with anyone.

        It's something that the US Navy see as a big risk, becaue China have a lot of subs - but they're generations behind. I get the impression their surfact fleet (or at least some of it) is a lot better. So if Russia were willing to share the crown jewels, then that would make defending Taiwan immeasurably harder. It's the sort of bargaining chip that might tempt China to risk sanctions and arm the Russians in their war with Ukraine as well.

        However that tech does support Russia's nuclear deterrent. And given they've got very little army left at home facing China, NATO (or mutinying Wagner mercenaries come to think of it) - they may feel it's too strategically important? Stealing it's much cheaper...

  4. TVU

    "I don't know if the Chinese care about getting Vladivostok back"

    Back in the summer of 2020, Putin riled up the Chinese with his overt celebrations of the founding of Vladivostok which is still a sensitive matter in China. It was publicly called 'insensitive act' on CGTN TV and Zhang Heqing, a Chinese diplomat China's embassy in Pakistan publicly stated that "Isn't this what in the past was our Haishenwai?". That would not have been said without prior approval.

    Similarly, criticism of Russia and the occupation of former Chinese territories was then, and still now is, freely allowed on Weibo. In addition, in spring this year, the Chinese Ministry of Natural Resources required that all Chinese maps now “accurately reflect the scope of China’s territory” i.e. on Chinese maps, the names of Russian Siberian cities are now marked with their original Chinese names, e.g. Khabarovsk is now “Boli” and the island of Sakhalin is now “Kuedao” and so on.

    I don't think there's any imminent danger from China as Vladivostok has now been designated as an official Chinese Transit Port for container goods so China will now have a formally approved trading presence there. What I do suspect though is that some time in the future, China will effectively demand some modest strategic border revisions from a weakened Russia.

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