back to article One weekend's TwitX chaos brings threats from Japan; indemnity promises for users; prominent account seizures

Japan’s Ministry of Finance issued a warning late last week regarding an account on the platform formerly known as Twitter that impersonates its top currency official, Masato Kanda, in just one of a string of incidents involving X Corp and Elon Musk in recent days. According to the Ministry, vice-minister Kanda does not have …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    X Japan is unusually profitable among its overseas subsidiaries, but despite this, it seems that there are no moderators who are native Japanese speakers, and therefore pornography, hate speech, and spoofing accounts are left alone.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Hmm,

      - X is quite close to X-rated - one wonders where Musk's attraction to the character stems from

      - Isn't such material usually visual, which negates the need to speak Japanese to remove it?

      Not that Musk is likely to do that as his definition of "free speech" seems to be "I don't have to pay for moderators", but still.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        That's right, Einstein, hate speech and spoofed accounts are usually visual. Got it in one.

      2. jake Silver badge

        Why X?

        Because Musk lucked into one of the few single letter domain names in private hands, and now he needs to find a place to use it. That is all.

        If any sensible chimp owned it, they'd sell it to somebody in the pR0n industry and make a couple million bucks. But because Musk seemingly isn't a sensible chimp, and doesn't exactly need a couple million bucks, he's hanging onto it. His ego won't let him admit that he bought a pig in a poke, so The Name Must Be Used. It didn't work for his Boring company, so maybe it'll work for the rebrand of one of the most recognizable brand names in Internet history.

        Hey, it worked for New Coke and The Shack, right?

      3. MachDiamond Silver badge

        "- Isn't such material usually visual, which negates the need to speak Japanese to remove it?"

        Just post a photo of a cat and a tag line "this isn't the pussy you want" with a link to an adult site that requires knowing Japanese to pass the captcha.

        Posting adult material directly can be machine censored while links in an asian character set using euphemisms, wink-wink, nudge-nudge, can be too subtle for automation.

    2. Bronk's Funeral

      Hold on—do you mean X Japan as in 'used to be Twitter Japan' or do you mean the excellently-coiffed thrash lads X Japan?

  2. A Non e-mouse Silver badge

    I hope Zuck & Elmo knock each other out in the cage fight.

    1. Korev Silver badge

      I'd like them both to lose!

      1. MachDiamond Silver badge

        "I'd like them both to lose!"

        And everybody that attends the live event gets diagnosed with Covid a week later.

    2. DS999 Silver badge

      This is the one time I'd root for Zuck

      Just because you know Musk would be a total crybaby about losing, full of excuses, asking for a rematch, claiming there was cheating. It would be epic! If Zuck loses he probably doesn't say anything and just hides out for a while, but Musk could never manage to go even 24 hours without attention.

      I'm laughing thinking of the idea of Musk "training". Someone who is as out of shape as he is can't get into shape in a month or two, especially when he probably listens to a personal trainer for about 10 minutes before he gets all ADHD and pulls out the laptop to start reading emails.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: This is the one time I'd root for Zuck

        Ah, but he was at least capable of lifting a metal ball to hit an armoured window that wasn't..

        :)

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: This is the one time I'd root for Zuck

          He had someone else throw it. Maybe if he'd thrown it he couldn't have broken the glass and generated all that publicity.

      2. F. Frederick Skitty Silver badge

        Re: This is the one time I'd root for Zuck

        Musk could just about get into reasonable shape in that timeframe. It would require serious commitment though, and assumes no underlying conditions.

        He'd need a strict diet, heavy exercise regime along with a mix of TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) and HGH (human growth hormone).

        That's the regimen that some Hollywood stars use to get into shape in a short space of time. I can't see Musk having the discipline to follow it though.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: This is the one time I'd root for Zuck

          Both could do with AA* removal therapy.

          * Arsehole Attitude

          1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

            Re: This is the one time I'd root for Zuck

            Both could do with AA* removal therapy.

            I have a LART suitable for the job..

        2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
          Facepalm

          Re: This is the one time I'd root for Zuck

          "It would require serious commitment though"

          Yeah, the sort of commitment where you can hire a "sergeant major PT instructor" type as a personal trainer and promise, in legally binding terms, to pay them, no matter how rough they treat you, because it will take someone shouting very hard at you to get you going, giving "must be obeyed" orders etc., because the instructor is the expert, not the "victim". Can you imagine EGOn Musk doing that? :-)

        3. DS999 Silver badge

          Re: This is the one time I'd root for Zuck

          You can get into "reasonable shape" as far as better muscle tone in that time but it won't help your athleticism. Stuff like balance, reaction time, etc. take years to develop. He's not going to beat Zuck through strength, Zuck will be running rings around him landing blows then dodging away before Musk can react. I predict it would be over in 2-4 minutes.

          I'm guessing Musk's lie about his "chronic pain" may have been due to bringing in someone similar to Zuck in size and skill and sparring with him, and learning how woefully outmatched he will be.

          As others have said, a man who can afford the best medical care in the world living with "chronic pain" for years that could be cured with a simple surgery is an all time laugher!

    3. Jedit Silver badge
      Trollface

      "I hope Zuck & Elmo knock each other out in the cage fight."

      Not going to happen. Musk is getting MRI scans, which I'm sure will show he's not fit to fight. Which means at - what, 52? - he's figured out what most of us managed to deduce by age ten: a note from your doctor excusing you from sports is way less embarrassing than a note from your mother.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Zuck is not holding his breath, apparently

    I'm no fan of either, but I think Zuck comes out well ahead in this one, with some well deserved snark at Musk.

    1. A Non e-mouse Silver badge

      Re: Zuck is not holding his breath, apparently

      TBH, I'm not actually expecting it to happen. Elmo pulling out for some reason is the most likely outcome.

      1. A Non e-mouse Silver badge

        Re: Zuck is not holding his breath, apparently

        And he's just made the first step in pulling out: theregister.com/2023/08/07/musk_cage_fight_latest

  4. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Not to be outdone by X, Facebook this week is showing advertisements belonging to the impostor store gang on Cloudflare.

  5. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

    If you were unfairly treated by your employer due to posting or liking something on this platform, we will fund your legal bill. No limit. Please let us know,

    Does that apply to his own ex-employees that he fired for criticising him?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Eric Frohnhoefer?

      He got fired for posting tweets criticising his boss. Sounds like just the sort of thing Elon would be delighted to fund. See

      https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/14/musk_twitter_rpc_spat/?td=rt-3a

      1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        Re: Eric Frohnhoefer?

        I'd like to see Musk pour money into a pit trying to argue that a defamatory tweet isn't libellous. As far as I can work out, the legal arguments here would either be based on tweets not counting as published material, and therefore not subject to libel laws, or that the content of the tweet wasn't defamatory. Of course, depending on where in America you live, as I understand it, some employers can just fire people if they feel like it, without any real employee protections.

        1. TheMaskedMan Silver badge

          Re: Eric Frohnhoefer?

          Last time I looked at defamation law in England there were three basic defences to a claim: truth, qualified privilege and fair comment.

          Truth is what you'd expect, qualified privilege amounts to publication made to someone with an interest in hearing it by someone with an interest in publishing it, such as a referee to a prospective employer, and fair comment is comment (which need not be fair) on something that is essentially before the public such as a news article.

          That's just the overview, of course, it gets a bit more complicated than that! Plus, it's been a long time since I read gatley so I might be overlooking something, and there's been a new defamation act since then so things might have changed somewhat.

          1. jake Silver badge

            Re: Eric Frohnhoefer?

            "Last time I looked at defamation law in England"

            But Musk isn't in England. He is in California. California (and Federal) law applies. If England doesn't like California (and Federal) Law, they can block Musk's business from entering England. Perhaps take lessons from China's Great Firewall?

            On the other hand, if you want him, you can have him.

            1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

              Re: Eric Frohnhoefer?

              XTwitter is transnational and comes under many different jurisdictions and judicial systems. I didn't notice anything in Musk Tweet? Xeet? stating there were Ts&Cs limiting the offer to the US oinly :-)

        2. jake Silver badge

          Re: Eric Frohnhoefer?

          "Of course, depending on where in America you live, as I understand it, some employers can just fire people if they feel like it, without any real employee protections."

          As an employer in America, sure. I can fire any employee that I want to fire. For any reason. But the reality is that I am running a business. (Several businesses, actually. It's a tax thing.) I only fire people who are bad for my business. The reality is that my core six adults (plus the Wife and I) have been here for a coupe decades. Why on Earth would I want to get rid of them? In fact, I want them to stay so much that I made them a gift of a percentage of the holding company that runs everything else. The employees have become part of the ownership group.

          Along the way I have fired many people. For consistent tardiness, drug use, ignoring safety procedures, embezzlement, creating ill-will with customers and co-workers, constantly lying, ignoring job responsibilities, outright sloth, and other things detrimental to the company as a whole. Are you suggesting that I should be forced by the government to keep these people on my staff? Shirley not!

          And before anybody says it, yes I try to screen new employees for fitness for the position. But I'm only human ... and so are they. Anybody can be good and play nicely with others for an hour or two, or even a short probationary period. But being a model employee for a month doesn't grandfather you into a lifetime of abusing my resources.

          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            Re: Eric Frohnhoefer?

            "Along the way I have fired many people. For consistent tardiness, drug use, ignoring safety procedures, embezzlement, creating ill-will with customers and co-workers, constantly lying, ignoring job responsibilities, outright sloth, and other things detrimental to the company as a whole. Are you suggesting that I should be forced by the government to keep these people on my staff? Shirley not!"

            Of course not. All of those are valid reasons to fire someone, especially if repeated or persistent behaviour is ongoing. I bet even you never fired anyone for a first offence in most of those cases since it's common enough for people to make mistakes, have a bad day, or not know the correct way to go about things. "Gross misconduct" leading to on-the-spot dismissal is relevantly rare, it's usually an accumulation of problems in most cases. I think he's talking about the "at will" States where you pretty much can be fired "on a whim", in effect, just because the boss doesn't like your face.

            UK employment law basically states that the employer should have documented disciplinary procedures in place and so long as you follow them, you're fine to fire people. It could get sticky of they go to a tribunal and it's demonstrated that your procedure is shit though :-) You'd likely lose an "unfair dismissal" case if your disciplinary process included terms like "staff not allowed to wear pink underwear, instant dismissal offence" since that would an be unreasonable or unfair contract.

            I did some online training to be allowed to service some OEM equipment. The training said we had to wear chinos and be clean shaven. Well, thought I, fuck off, I'm keeping my beard and I don't work for you anyway LOL (and my boss agreed) since that breaks UK employment law. :-)

            1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

              Re: Eric Frohnhoefer?

              When my Dad started work for a company back in the 60s they had a rule that salesmen had to be at least 6ft tall (legal back then). He was 5'11", and always reckoned that he must have been having a tall day...

          2. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

            Re: Eric Frohnhoefer?

            ignoring safety procedures

            My oldest brother used to have a tree-surgery business and he had to fire a couple of people for consistently 'forgetting' to wear their chainsaw trousers.. You know - the things that (mostly) save your legs if you have an accident with a chainsaw..

            Had to follow procedure (verbal warning after the first time, written warning after the next then dismissal). None of the fired staff had a (legal) leg to stand on!

            His injuries book (legally have to record any work-related injuries) was very thin even after 15 years of running the company.

            Mind you, wearing the correct gear doesn't always save you - a previous colleage of his lost most of a foot (despite steel toecaps) by walking backwards [1], dragging a stump grinder. He stumbled slightly and dragged the stump grinder over one of his feet - took a 3" slice out of the middle of his foot - from toes to near the ankle, all the way through the foot *and* the steel toe cap. The company he worked for then were not as safety-conscious as he was - one of the (many) reasons why he left to form his own company. He's semi-retired now.

            [1] Really, really bad idea. As the guy discovered - there's a reason why you don't do it. Stump grinders a very heavy and have a very sharp saw-like cutting head.

            1. jake Silver badge

              Re: Eric Frohnhoefer?

              "chainsaw trousers"

              That's pronounced "chaps". Forget them once in my view, and you're gone. They should be as automatic as gloves, bugz, bar oil and checking chain tension. My insurance guy spelled out exactly how much my rates would go up if an employee cut up a leg or legs with a chainsaw. Like the wound itself, it wasn't pretty. Chaps work. Use 'em always.

              "and dragged the stump grinder over one of his feet"

              Modern stump grinders are designed to not move backwards when the cutting head is engaged for that very reason ... Move it into position, fire up the wheel, turn it side to side and up and down, then declutch, advance and do it again. Some allow you to move forward while the cutting wheel is engaged, some do not. These things are probably the most dangerous tool that is accessable to the home DIYer ... but as long as you never engage the wheel unless you have verified there are no kids/cats/dawgs/postmen/wives in harm's way, you'll be alright. An afternoon's rental price is well worth the work you won't have to do digging out that old stump 'er indoors has been nagging you about. Satisfying, too. Recommended.

  6. xyz Silver badge

    It's rattle time...

    And in the blue pram, we have Elon "the X man" MMMUUUSSSKKK... All Elon has to do is lift up Zux's comb forward and all Zux has to do is waggle a bottle of Grecian 2000 at Musko and they'll both be screaming for their mommies.

    Who's the ref? Trump?

    I think the lot of them need a nap.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Who's the ref? Trump?

      I'll bet he would join the fray, or at least declare himself the winner, probably without even showing up. Then accuse everyone of persecution. Sad!

      But he would be the best referee there is, everyone is saying that, trust me.

    2. jake Silver badge

      Re: It's rattle time...

      Exactly.

      Every time I hear about this, I imagine it'll either be nursery school hair pulling, slapping and biting, or it'll be high-noon in Parump, Nevada, out on East Basin in front of the DMV, with handbags at 15 paces. Either way, it'll all end in tears.

      Regardless, I wouldn't pay money to see it. Waste o'time.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: It's rattle time...

        I'd pay money to keep them there. It's an excellent idea to bait the trap using their egos, and as soon as they're in the cage I'd lock it.

        And stream the result on Youtube, obviously.

        :)

      2. Jedit Silver badge
        Stop

        "I imagine it'll either be nursery school hair pulling"

        Zuckerberg is actually trained in martial arts and has even competed at low level. So you'd actually be tuning in to watch Musk start a slap fight then get his face rotated to the back of his head within 30 seconds.

        1. WolfFan

          Re: "I imagine it'll either be nursery school hair pulling"

          Ratings gold.

          1. jake Silver badge

            Re: "I imagine it'll either be nursery school hair pulling"

            "Ratings gold."

            Yes. Fleecing the sheeple is what the Musks and Zuckerbergs of the world are good at.

            1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

              Re: "I imagine it'll either be nursery school hair pulling"

              Yeah, "Fight of the Century", Pay-Per-View, Only $75 one off streaming fee! And it lasts 30 seconds, if that, after the 3 hour pre-match "special" and build up, barely time to break out the popcorn and it's over. :-)

        2. jake Silver badge

          Re: "I imagine it'll either be nursery school hair pulling"

          "So you'd actually be tuning in to watch Musk"

          You must have me confused with somebody else. I'm not tuning in to anything of the sort.

          Life's far too short to waste any of it on this kind of shit.

          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            Re: "I imagine it'll either be nursery school hair pulling"

            "I'm not tuning in to anything of the sort."

            (not getting at you here, I just got triggered)

            Tuning in is an odd phrase that ought to have died out even before "dialling" a phone number. Apart from some radios, no one tunes in a TV set these days[*], and probably hasn't in over 50 years. I can barely remember the old 405line VHF b/w TV when i was toddler, and even that had a knob to select either BBC or ITV. Tuning was something done inside the box once and then not touched again unless it needed "servicing" by dad, or the little man in the brown coat from the TV repair shop. It's all button pushing and digital nowadays :-)

            "Film" at 11? Showing some "footage"? Icon of a floppy disk for "save"? It's all so quaint and kids today use the terms with no idea of the origins :-)

            [*} Ok, some TV's etc still need to be "re-tuned" if/when the channels/multiplexes change, but even on the older ones where you need to initiate it manually, it's just pressing a button/choosing a menu option and leaving the digital electronic system to go do the "tuning" itself,

            1. jake Silver badge

              Re: "I imagine it'll either be nursery school hair pulling"

              "not getting at you here, I just got triggered"

              No worries. I've got a thicker hide than most.

              To be fair, it's your brain that is the tuner, not the computer/phone. That's why I advocate not viewing that side of YouTube, and a lot of other anti-social media ... it rots the brain trying to tune that bilge in. Just go try to get some sense out of a MAGA hat wearer to see what I mean.

              Agree on "film at 11" and "footage", but it's a handy handle for what it describes, and everyone knows exactly what is meant in that particular context. English has mutated right in front of us. Personally, other than the odd comment for amusement value, I'm willing to let this one slide.

              The floppy icon for "save" works. Do you have a better (and viable) alternative? See: "mutated", above.

              Tune in, turn on, drop out ...

            2. that one in the corner Silver badge

              Re: "I imagine it'll either be nursery school hair pulling"

              > no one tunes in a TV set these days[*], and probably hasn't in over 50 years

              FWIW, only 24 years ago, I was using a b&w portable with a tuning knob. Not that there was that much on.

      3. MachDiamond Silver badge

        Re: It's rattle time...

        "Regardless, I wouldn't pay money to see it. Waste o'time."

        There would be no reason to pay. If it were ever to happen, it will be posted everywhere minutes after the end. 30 minutes after that, there will be thousands of videos on YT either saying Elon was obviously the better fighter or Zuck cheated. Mark doesn't seem to have as rabid of a following as Elon.

  7. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

    Money

    One of the standard schemes is to set up a fake news web site with Google ads, link to it from social media and the RWNJs will cite it as proof of their conspiracy theories until advertising revenue goes through the roof. (Trying the same with liberals gets little traction because many of them are capable of a little critical thinking and minimal fact checking.) Musk clearly plans to cash in by replacing the middle men.

    I am surprised the Masato Kanda xcretion handle has been suspended. It would make more sense to put it up for auction.

  8. breakfast Silver badge

    They're just so ridiculous.

    Everything about these stories shows why we can't trust billionaires with anything. As someone observed back when Twitter existed: "In terms of cognitive impairment [being a billionaire is] probably like being kicked in the head by a horse every day."

    1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

      Re: They're just so ridiculous.

      People don't get to be billionaires by being trustworthy.

  9. Snow Hill Island

    I've been wondering....

    Why tweets haven't been re-named "Raiders". I mean, TwiX is an obvious new name for a tweet, but it's already taken, so....

    1. Richard 12 Silver badge
      Coffee/keyboard

      Re: I've been wondering....

      Xcretions seems to be the winning name.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: I've been wondering....

        No love for xit (pronounced with a z)?

        One syllable, easier to exclaim in disgust.

    2. Vincent van Gopher
      Happy

      Surely it should be called a Xhit?

      If we're supposed to pronounce the X as 'she' then what used to be called a tweet could now be a Xheet - pronounced Xhit. Usage: I xhit, he/she/it xhits, they xhitted.

      Hopefully X will go down the Gary Glitter* soon.

      *Xhitter

    3. Mitoo Bobsworth

      Re: I've been wondering....

      As many are 'banging' on about the porn connotations, maybe a 'spooge' would be more in line with the new name.

  10. Howard Sway Silver badge

    If you were unfairly treated by your employer, we will fund your legal bill. No limit.

    1. Set up company with friend, and get your friend to hire you as an employee

    2. Post something appallingly offensive about your new employer on TwiX

    3. Friend sacks you for posting something appallingly offensive

    4. Hire the most expensive lawyer you know to commence unfair dismissal legal case

    5. Send Musk bill for huge legal fees preparing case

    6. Split money received 3 ways

    Of course the plan fails at point 6 when money doesn't arrive from Musk. It also could be considered fraud, but Musk's extravagant promise, made in public with no caveats leaves such shenanigans with a much higher chance of succeeding.

    1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

      Re: If you were unfairly treated by your employer, we will fund your legal bill. No limit.

      Insert 5a. "Convince Zuckerberg (and other Musk haters) to donate to legal fund to sue Musk".

      1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        Re: If you were unfairly treated by your employer, we will fund your legal bill. No limit.

        I was wondering what Musk would do about the legal fees of people suing him for unfair dismissal over their tweets. Like the guy who corrected something dumb that Musky said and got fired for his trouble. (I can't remember the exact details, but I'm sure it was reported here).

        Would the elongated one pay to sue himself? I can see an easy way to exhaust all his funds into the pockets of lawyers. A bit like a real-world implementation of an infinite recursion bug.

        1. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

          Re: Would Musk pay to sue himself?

          Already happened. The really expensive law firm (WLR&K) that forced Musk to complete his contract to buy Twitter got paid out of a Twitter bank account that Musk bought as a part of a fixed price contract.

          When Musk eventually worked out that he had effectively paid WLR&K he sued... Twitter Version 1 executives. Even he can work out that suing a really expensive law firm for doing their job successfully would be an exercise in futility. The executives are not a much better choice. You can bet they are covered by Twitter V1's legal indemnity insurance. Musk could have changed insurance provider for Twitter V2 - if he could find someone dumb enough to take the business. He could operate Twitter without legal indemnity insurance - he might be that dumb but Linda Yaccarino and Alex Spiro aren't. It is possible Twitter V2 is with the same provider as V1 - so his premiums must be set to go up...

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: If you were unfairly treated by your employer, we will fund your legal bill. No limit.

      Might want to find a no win no fee lawyer for this..

    3. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: If you were unfairly treated by your employer, we will fund your legal bill. No limit.

      "Of course the plan fails at point 6 when money doesn't arrive from Musk. It also could be considered fraud, but Musk's extravagant promise, made in public with no caveats leaves such shenanigans with a much higher chance of succeeding."

      It could also fail at step 7 when the expensive lawyer successfully sues your mate's business, bankrupts him, he loses his house and everything, and you get nothing because the expensive lawyers cut exceeds the amount of your mates ability to pay. And being an expensive lawyer, do you really think s/he will split the fee if Musk does pay up? Who ya gonna call (to sue the lawyer)? :-)

      1. Richard 12 Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: If you were unfairly treated by your employer, we will fund your legal bill. No limit.

        The obvious solution is to sue yourself for tweeting something about your one-person legal firm.

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