back to article Debian 12.1 released with bug fixes aplenty and excitement still in short supply

The first point release in the Debian "Bookworm" series is here, but version 12.1 is a modest bugfix. It might be time for even the ultra-cautious to start taking a look. Debian "Bookworm" got its first point release with the launch of version 12.1 last weekend. When we covered the release of version 12.0 in June, we called it …

  1. 3arn0wl

    @Liam

    Thanks for going to the trouble of checking Lomiri.

    1. VicMortimer Silver badge
      Flame

      Does anybody really care about Unity/Lomiri?

      Seriously? I remember when that thing came out, it was the most hated desktop ever, and with good reason. It's NEVER been usable, it was designed to be unusable, its entire premise was "how can we make a computer unusable" and it succeeded. It's worse than Gnome 3, and that's saying a lot. The protests finally got that mess removed from Ubuntu even if it didn't get rid of the nearly as awful Gnome 3, and many of us just gave up and switched to the very nice Xfce.

      That abomination not being usable isn't just a bug, it's a design philosophy.

      1. 3arn0wl

        Re: Does anybody really care about Unity/Lomiri?

        I do.

      2. Mockup1974 Bronze badge

        Re: Does anybody really care about Unity/Lomiri?

        I also didn't like Unity as it was worse than GNOME 2, but come one, it was and is still miles ahead of GNOME 3*!

        *which is shitty by design, e.g. deliberate lack of a dock/taskbar or minimize/maximize buttons or tray icons

      3. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

        Re: Does anybody really care about Unity/Lomiri?

        [Author here]

        > it was the most hated desktop ever [...] It's NEVER been usable

        Yeah, no. Totally disagree on all points.

        Most people hate new stuff. Most people hated GNOME 3 when it came out.

        People hating both is why Mint got so big.

        Unity is just the macOS desktop, but with Windows keystrokes. If you know how to drive Windows with the keyboard, it's great.

        Most people don't know the Windows keystrokes, though, and don't know how to use the Windows desktop _well_.

        If you don't, GNOME is keyboard-centric and proclaims that fact, and so you can learn all GNOME's new ones and thus drive it. But it doesn't work with the old ones, and neither does KDE, which is one reason I dislike both.

        1. PRR Silver badge

          Re: Does anybody really care about Unity/Lomiri?

          > Unity is just the macOS desktop, but with Windows keystrokes. If you know how to drive Windows with the keyboard, it's great. ... Most people don't know the Windows keystrokes, though, and don't know how to use the Windows desktop _well_. ... If you don't, GNOME is keyboard-centric and proclaims that fact, and so you can learn all GNOME's new ones and thus drive it. But it doesn't work with the old ones, and neither does KDE, which is one reason I dislike both.

          Again: termcap (or some post-Disco equivalent) can map fingers to functions, making "Brand W keystrokes" moot.

          But I think in mouse&GUI-world the mis-love for Unity/Gnome runs deeper than mere keystrokes.

  2. Ian Mason

    No excitement?

    Good. Us grumpy old sysadmins who have been using Debian for yonks don't like excitement.

    1. Anonymous Coward
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      Re: No excit@Ian Masonement?

      Your comment made me smile.I hope you are not offended at my rewrite of your comment

      "Good. Us grumpy old farts who have been using Macs for yonks don't like excitement or the fucking command line.."

      1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

        Re: No excit@Ian Masonement?

        Us grumpy old farts who have been using Macs for yonks don't like excitement or the fucking command line..

        Au contraire - this grumpy old Mac user is more than happy with the cli.. given that I started out as a mainframe programmer (using a 3270 emulated terminal running under IBM PC/DOS) and then got involved with linux in the early 90's it's hardly surprising.

        None of the linux/FreeBSD VMs I run have any desktop installed. CLI all the way baby!

      2. Liam Proven (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

        Re: No excit@Ian Masonement?

        [Author here]

        > Us grumpy old farts who have been using Macs for yonks

        About 28 years ago, my first Mac was a Performa 5200 that Mr Mason here extracted from the clammy hands of Apple UK, but which I inherited at PC Pro mag, and which the mag let me keep when I left. He does indeed have history of using Macs, but a longer one of using Unix... and I well remember his delight at my usage of

        ````

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        sync

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        ... on a Tadpole SPARCbook we had in.

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