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Scientists at Russia's International Center for Quantum Optics and Quantum Technologies recently presented a new quantum computer to the nation's President Vladimir Putin, proclaiming it to be the "most powerful in Russia today." That might sound ominous, but it's anything but. Likely to the relief of the US and its allies, …

  1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    The Soviets Experimenting with the Experience Enjoyed Manhattan Project Style?

    Russia's tiny quantum computer is (probably) nothing to worry about ..... Tobias Mann [El Reg]

    That headline, Tobias, reminds me of General Custer’s last words at the Battle of the Little Bighorn ...... “I see no Injuns”

    And all those terrified of competition will be [probably] thinking .... Russia's tiny quantum computer is (possibly) something to worry about. ....... given the inequitable leading advantages certain of its stealthy and/or spooky and/or surreal programs so easily supply and mentor and monitor to an inordinately overwhelming extent.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The Soviets Experimenting with the Experience Enjoyed Manhattan Project Style?

      What is missed is that they now have made a start, inhouse. Given that the Russian government has no shortage of money to hand out to cronies, build palaces with and wage war (because it spends close to zero on its citizens) it is not inconceivable they do have the funds to invest in development. Not that it will be easy with all the embargoes, but where there's evil and money, there's a way. Just ask the US who kept Nazi scientists out of jail as long as they developed rockets..

      1. Mooseman Silver badge

        Re: The Soviets Experimenting with the Experience Enjoyed Manhattan Project Style?

        "Just ask the US who kept Nazi scientists out of jail as long as they developed rockets.."

        As did the Russians. Far more unpleasantly the US kept both the "scientists" and data from the Japanese Unit 731.

    2. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      The Missing FUD!

      As for what it's good for, a statement released by the Kremlin claims researchers have "launched an algorithm for calculating a simple molecule," and demonstrated it running in real time. That doesn't exactly sound like a grave threat to western security interests.

      Stranger things have happened. This is a simple molecule- −C≡N, but it's rather nasty. Novichok is another simple molecule, yet has remarkable properties. Or there are nicer applications, like finding a simple molecule that binds to a receptor. Drug dealers spend billions on drug design looking for molecules that can do this, and can then be turned into patent remedies. Not being a chemist, I have no idea how a quantum approach compares to current modelling and simulation, but maybe it can give Russia's pharmaceutical, chemical and materials industries a competitive advantage.

      1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

        Re: The Missing FUD!

        Modelling a simple, two atom molecule, is not the same as making it, nor is it the same as modelling a three or four atom molecule, the effort involved in which scales exponentially, I believe*. I googled the structure of novichok (or the supposed structure, I guess it's actually not published). It has 24 atoms in it. Any integer above 1, raised to the power of 24 give a large number, that is the number of times more qubits such a computer is going to need to do the equivalent task. For example, if adding an atom only makes the job twice as hard (and it's likely to actually be more than that due tot eh rising degrees of freedom), then that number is 2^24, 16,777,216. Multiply that by your original 16 qubits, and this suggests you're going to need something in the order of 268 million to just model that molecule's structure. This does rely on a number of assumptions, but you get the general picture.

        And then, it certainly is not the same as modelling its interactions with other molecules, and especially not those involved in biological systems, which tend to be proteins with a very large number of atoms in them (typically tens to hundreds of thousands, IIRC). You'd need to include all of those atoms in your model. What's 2^100,000? The Windows calculator says "Overflow".

        Things like Novichok only have "remarkable" properties because of their interactions with specific vital metabolic processes. I believe the mechanism of action here is to bind to specific active sites of specific proteins to prevent them from interacting with their normal substrates, and thus preventing normal signalling for nerves, leading to paralysis and death. Good luck modelling that with any computer let alone a "quantum" one with less processing power than a Z80.

        This doesn't mean that this won't be an issue some day in the future with developing new and nasty poisons via computer modelling, but I somehow suspect the current way of doing things (making analogues of known poisons in a lab and seeing how nasty they are by exposing lab animals to them) will still be more effective for those individuals who are unpleasant enough to want to do such things.

        *I stand to be corrected, but my understanding is that in computational chemistry, effort does not scale linearly with complexity, largely because the number of degrees of freedom is an nPr kind of thing.

        1. DJO Silver badge

          Re: The Missing FUD!

          ...modelling a three or four atom molecule, the effort involved in which scales exponentially...

          One of the great hopes of quantum computing is that it will scale arithmetically instead of exponentially and there is some theoretical evidence to suggest it might be the case.

          Personally I wouldn't bet more than about 5p on it turning out like that in the real world.

          1. DJO Silver badge

            Re: The Missing FUD!

            I should have put "geometrically" instead of "arithmetically" not that it'll make much difference except to quantum pedants.

            1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

              Re: The Missing FUD!

              I should have put "geometrically" instead of "arithmetically" not that it'll make much difference except to quantum pedants.

              But this is all their fault. Plus a lot of the points behind quantum computing, ie how well it scales. Otherwise we carry on with the 2-3nm(ish) stuff and call it good. As for the stranger, the structure's available online. It also has quantum effects given it's one of deadliest and least deadly agents.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: The Missing FUD!

          I am not exper Lt on the matter. What exactly is modeling? It actually does the chemical internation and deduce properties as in the lab? Because as far I saw know I saw a doc the other day that AI actually did come up with 40 k poisons even some close to known nerve agents.

          https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/17/22983197/ai-new-possible-chemical-weapons-generative-models-vx

  2. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Trollface

    "sift through a mountain of junk to find a gem"

    Oh, so like using the Internet, then ?

    1. Korev Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: "sift through a mountain of junk to find a gem"

      "sift through a mountain of junk to find a gem"

      Oh, so like using the Internet, then ?

      Or these boards...

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge
        Mushroom

        Re: "Or these boards...” .... Korev

        Many a true word is spoken in jest ...... and speaking only for ourselves, are there many brilliantly hidden gems for polishing and monetising often shared freely here on El Reg for both unworthy comment and stellar peer review alike, and you don’t get that sort of classy service in many places anywhere and certainly not everywhere.

        And, dependent upon the resultant interaction, or non action as the case may be, is the future likely direction and new home base for all such gems easily decided whenever information too hot to handle, catastrophically believable and immeasurably valuable renders an almighty pregnant pause of fully understandable revelatory silence.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: "Or these boards...” .... Korev

          And you get the odd free puzzle, although the above post is one of the easier ones.

          :)

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    But can it run crysis??

    It might not be competition for IBM, but that's also not a good thing, if anybody has had the pleasure of working with such monolithic organizations. Some alternative is very much required to the entitled, mainstream big corporates who increasingly treat their customer like an all you can eat buffet. It's just a shame who the alternative choice is in this particular case.

    1. Elongated Muskrat Silver badge

      It's Russian, surely the question is, can it run Tetris?

  4. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Joke

    Cracking RSA

    A Dr Evil type character could kidnap Messrs Rivest, Shamir and Adleman and threaten them with death by snu snu, unless they divulge the secret backdoor to RSA

  5. that one in the corner Silver badge

    We've had the Missile Gap, the Mineshaft Gap

    now we are seeing the effects of the Quantum Gap?

    Was going to finish on a joke, but am stuck on figuring out enough of what this means to poke fun at it:

    "The Kuzyk quantum gap is a discrepancy between the maximum value of the nonlinear-optical susceptibility allowed by quantum mechanics and the highest values actually observed in real molecules."

    This stuff is *hard*!

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