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The United States' National Counterintelligence and Security Center (NCSC) has warned that China's updated Counter-Espionage law – which came into effect on July 1 – is dangerously ambiguous and could pose a risk to global business. US china talkfest US cyber ambassador says China knows how to steal its way to dominance of …

  1. PhilipN Silver badge

    " national security interests"

    According to Uncle Sam that covers everything.

    Why should it be different for other countries?

    1. Alumoi Silver badge

      Re: " national security interests"

      China bad, US good, that's why.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Are you with US or China?

      Pick your side wisely. Don't be a useful idiot or a troll.

      It is a fact that China has considerably contributed to the World's economic growth. Probably every 2nd item bought on Amazon was made in China, if not more. But the country has enormously benefited from the imports of the western technology. The USA and the West have been truly open in all aspects. The Chinese miracle would not be possible without this openness.

      1. PhilipN Silver badge

        Re: Are you with US or China?

        Right - that's how to gauge China: the label on the polo shirt in Walmart - made with western technology. Nothing good ever originated in China. Not even 5G. Oh - hang on a sec...

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Are you with US or China?

        "Probably every 2nd item bought on Amazon was made in China"

        More like 2/3, if you include the counterfeits and items with willfully incorrect "Made in ____" labels.

  2. Pete 2 Silver badge

    One day!

    > individuals committing acts of espionage can be detained for up to 15 days

    So: one day longer than in the UK.

    From You can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act.

    1. Blazde Silver badge

      Re: One day!

      Be prepared for some disappointment on day 15 if you ever get arrested for terrorism in Xinjiang

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: One day!

        That's beautifully put :).

        That said, try to exercise what is laughingly referred to as your "freedom" if you're poor and non-white in the US. Sadly, some morons have set the country back decades.

        It's hard to lecture someone else if you have morons in your own land who are still sore they had to give up slavery.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: One day!

      Go to live in China already.

    3. martinusher Silver badge

      Re: One day!

      If you want to end up in a maze of Kafkaesque complexity then getting arrested in Japan will be your ticket. They seem to have a legal trick that can keep you in jail indefinitely unless you confess your sins.

      Different countries have different customs and legal systems. Most of the time for trivial stuff countries like China will seek to get rid of the misbehaving tourist as quickly and discreetly as possible.

      As for being held for fourteen days without trial in the UK I'm pretty sure that Julian Assange has set a new record -- four years and counting. Obviously there's a bit of legal verbiage around this but boiled down he's been held in solitary for over four years on some charge or another.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    No....surely no hypocrisy from the National Counterintelligence and Security Center.....

    Quote: "...Network attacks, intrusions, or disruptions targeting critical information infrastructure or entities involved with secrets...."

    Stuxnet......I wonder who did that?

    .....or the widespread use of the handy NSO software by everyone under the sun.....including the friendly folk in Fort Meade and Cheltenham.

    Yup.....those folk in China are a real threat........but maybe less of a threat than the friendly Five Eyes folk!!!!

  4. Alan Penzotti
    Black Helicopters

    WHO are these espionage organizations that they speak of?

    What I want to know is what is identified as an espionage organization, and how to get on/off that list.

    Does that include the following:

    * World Health Organization (WHO)

    * United Nations (all sub-organizations)

    * Amesty International

    * International Red Cross

    * NATO

    * Any foreign embassy representative/staff not covered by diplomatic immunity

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