back to article This Windows update is snarling up some endpoint security tools

Some Windows users are still feeling the fallout from apparent conflicts between recent OS updates and certain antimalware and antivirus software. Microsoft this week said an issue involving Trellix's endpoint security software on some Windows 10 and 11 systems that installed KB5027231 and later updates, was sorted out when …

  1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

    Sometimes it is hard not to gloat.

    But the problem in recent years is MS' performance has resulted in running dry of gloat fluids...

    1. simonlb Silver badge

      Microsoft initially suggested uninstalling apps that integrate with Windows, Office, Outlook, or Outlook Calendar

      I've maintained for years that the whole design of Windows has been fundamentally flawed from day one, and that statement above speaks volumes about piss poor design. I recently needed to install Visio on my works Win10 laptop but had to uninstall the whole of Office first and then reinstall it again after I'd installed Visio. FFS why? They are completely separate applications covered by completely different licenses so should be fully independent from one another. And this has become the norm with Windows over the past twenty plus years so that we just accept it and can waste literally hours of our time trying to install a single application or waiting for yet another reboot just because there has been 'an update'.

      I'm so glad I abandoned Windows for Linux for my personal use almost seven years ago now, and having to use a Windows machine for work regularly reinforces my reasons for that change.

      1. ThatOne Silver badge

        > Microsoft initially suggested uninstalling apps that integrate with Windows

        Because all non-Microsoft programs have to go I guess...

        As for Visio requiring reinstalling Office, it is certainly because, in their never ending struggle to redesign the wheel every 6 months, Microsoft has always half a dozen strictly incompatible DLL versions. I wouldn't be surprised if Visio installs an older one, one your Office couldn't live with, but Visio is quite happy to work with the one Office installs.

      2. ecofeco Silver badge

        Windows has in fact, been flawed from day one.

        1. druck Silver badge

          If not before.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Yes, but DARE observe the dry fact that the one common element between breaches and ransomware is products from Microsoft, and Redmond/Bracknell will send their minions to downvote the post.

    Because those facts they don't really want public - they rather spend effort and resources on pointing out problems in other company's software, which suggests they have zero confidence they will ever get their own house in order (or are under pressure or paid - more likely - to maintain that sorry state, of course).

    1. druck Silver badge

      Redmond/Reading surely?

  3. Grogan Silver badge

    I mean, I hate Windows more than the next guy, but nobody guaranteed you the ability to insinuate your security filters in between driver and software layers at your entry points of choosing as if it's some kind of stable interface.

    It always leads to breakage eventually, just like that McNorton's shit from yesteryear.

    Actually both of those companies each had one good product. The Norton Removal Tool. This tool would unconditionally remove all Norton products it covered, whether half broken or just leftovers. For a while it was top of the list of search matches if I started typing "Norton" into Google. lol!

    McAfee similarly had the "McAfee Consumer Product" removal tool (MCPR or something like that). A McCrappy program. That actually worked as advertised.

    Broken filters break the chain.

  4. Reginald O.

    Strange that...

    Anti-malware and anti-virus apps think Windows is mass surveillance malware. How could that happen?

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